On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 04:10:20 -0500
"echicken" <echicken@VERT/ECBBS> wrote:

Re: Javascript for dummies like me
By: Sys64738 to echicken on Mon Dec 06 2021 18:05:26

I think you understand exactly what I'm getting at. It's the
JavaScript info that is HTML/CSS-centric that I'm trying to weed
my way through.

Hate to say it, but you just have to power through it. You'll
eventually get a feel for what information is portable and what is
tied to a certain domain.

Pretty much what I did. Just take some existing code, there are plenty
of examples in /sbbs/exec from small utilities to full blown apps.
You'll definitely want to refer to the jsobjs file. This is the link
between js and synchronet.

Maybe look at one of the menus. It's pretty easy and uses a few
features like getting the users time and security levels, presenting
menus and files and the like.

DM also has a few videos on programming that are worth a look.

The bottom line is, figure something you want to do and carve away at
it. You can even do a basic outline in English then figure the
javascript to replace it.

like

get users age
if they're older than 21 set the 1M flag (for mature content)
if they're older then 50 then set the 2O flags for Old Fart.
Also, if it's their birthday then announce it by displaying
an ansi birthday card


Then plug that in somewhere in the login sequence.
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 08:35:07 -0600
"Sys64738" <sys64738@VERT/TXNET1> wrote:

However, the concept of people making up their own commands seems
like a taking a long walk on a short pier. SYS64738

Maybe you should quit while you're ahead...
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On 12/7/21 08:03, Sys64738 wrote:

I use notepad++ on Windows and vim or geany on Linux. The editor
doesn't have to recognize an object/method/property for you to
use it.

I started out just using plain notepad. Since this is all new to me,
I thought that I might benefit from the hints/debugging features from
an editor.

However, it seems that programming has become less uniform and less
certain since the years when I was most involved (80's-90's). The
paved roads of years past seem to have not been maintained and people
often find themselves cutting their own path to get to where they want
to go.

In your opinion, would that be an accurate assessment?

I would use at least Notepad++ or another more feature-rich text editor
over plain notepad...

JS is pretty feature rich and the module syntax is pretty solid. For
better or worse, a lot of the work in Synchronet predates the changes
towards ES5 and ES6/ES2015 by a few years. Including a few bits that
were done differently in the SpiderMonkey engine used vs. what became
the standard. Like for-each and getter/setter syntax, which are widely
used in Synchronet scripts.

A lot of the object model naming and mapping are close to 1:1 to the underlying C libraries in Synchronet... so it will feel a little alien
in places, compared to modern JS tooling. Event Enigma 1/2 has some
rough edges and is on a much newer JS platform, but not nearly as
feature rich as Synchronet.
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On 12/8/21 22:37, Sys64738 wrote:

No doubt, the tools are far better. However, there doesn't seem to be
as much consistency in the syntax of the programming languages that
I've observed. Such as with "console.print" as an example. I'm not understanding why that command wouldn't be universal and a common
command within JavaScript.

I'm not sure, but I think the start of JS in Synchronet may pre-date the console object in the browser.

Also, what would you expect console.log to do? Should it show to the host/server side, or to the client/user? It's not necessarily clear in
this case.
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On 12/10/21 07:35, Sys64738 wrote:

The console object defined in Synchronet's JS API might have fairly
different requirements than for other contexts. When developing JS
for a web browser, there is a 'console' object, but that's a totally
different thing. The JS console object for Synchronet is for the
text-based interface

I understand what you're saying. Thanks for explaining.

However, the concept of people making up their own commands seems like
a taking a long walk on a short pier.

`console` isn't part of the JavaScript language... things like `document.querySelector` aren't either. They're part of the running environment. In the case of the prior two examples a Browser.

The BBS runtime environment(s) are different, and will have different
features defined. What would you expect document.querySelector('body')
to do with a telnet user? It's not the same...

That said... for (var i=0; i< 10; i)) { ... } ... ARE part of the
language definition.
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Re: Re: Javascript for dummies like me
By: Tracker1 to Sys64738 on Mon Dec 13 2021 06:20 pm

I started out just using plain notepad. Since this is all new to me,
I thought that I might benefit from the hints/debugging features from
an editor.

I would use at least Notepad++ or another more feature-rich text editor
over plain notepad...

Also check out sublimetext - https://www.sublimetext.com/

I think that might be up his alley.

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Re: Re: Javascript for dummies like me
By: The Lizard Master to Tracker1 on Tue Dec 14 2021 08:45 am

Re: Re: Javascript for dummies like me
By: Tracker1 to Sys64738 on Mon Dec 13 2021 06:20 pm

I started out just using plain notepad. Since this is all new to me,
I thought that I might benefit from the hints/debugging features from an editor.

I would use at least Notepad++ or another more feature-rich text editor over plain notepad...

Also check out sublimetext - https://www.sublimetext.com/

I think that might be up his alley.

that's kinda ugly. i'm sure it has theme support. i suggest editpad pro
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