What are you opinions on Pascal as a programming language. Like the confusing syntax that I can never get to grips with.
What are you opinions on Pascal as a programming language. Like the
syntax that I can never get to grips with.
Program Ilike;
begin
WriteLn('I like it!');
end.
Tiny wrote to Darkages <=-
Program Ilike;
begin
WriteLn('I like it!');
end.
Accession wrote to Tiny <=-
Program Ilike;
begin
WriteLn('I like it!');
end.
Is the "." after "end" a syntax error? :)
Darkages wrote to All <=-
What are you opinions on Pascal as a programming language. Like the confusing syntax that I can never get to grips with.
Hello Darkages!ly Free Pascal with the Lazarus
16 Nov 16 04:35, you wrote to all:
What are you opinions on Pascal as a programming language. Like the confusing syntax that I can never get to grips with.
Pascal is what I am using. Mainly for the cross platform ability. Specifical
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What are you opinions on Pascal as a programming language. Like the syntax that I can never get to grips with.
Program Ilike;
begin
WriteLn('I like it!');
end.
Hello Tiny,
On 16 Nov 16 10:59, Tiny wrote to Darkages:
Program Ilike;
begin
WriteLn('I like it!');
end.
Is the "." after "end" a syntax error? :)
Regards,
Nick
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Program Ilike;
begin
WriteLn('I like it!');
end.
Is the "." after "end" a syntax error? :)
Nope, the end of the peogram ends with a ., not a ;
Add some if statements and then the whole thing with when using end and when not and then to use "then" (which I believe must be used?) and when to use semi-colons. So confusing to me.
Nope, the end of the peogram ends with a ., not a ;
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I like it, never had trouble with the syntax. For confusing, try obfuscated C (C code deliberately written to be hard to read). :D
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Accession wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Nope, the end of the peogram ends with a ., not a ;
Well then. I learned something new today! :)
Darkages wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Anything that comes after it will not be run.
Darkages wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Maybe I will check out Pascal again some time in my life.
Hello Vk3jed,
On 17 Nov 16 08:37, Vk3jed wrote to Accession:
Well then. I learned something new today! :)
Regards,
Nick
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Quoting Accession to Tiny <=-
Program Ilike;
begin
WriteLn('I like it!');
end.
Is the "." after "end" a syntax error? :)
Darkages wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Maybe I will check out Pascal again some time in my life.
Yep, give it another whirl. I'm looking forward to relearning myself.
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Vk3jed wrote to Darkages <=-
Darkages wrote to All <=-
What are you opinions on Pascal as a programming language. Like the confusing syntax that I can never get to grips with.
I like it, never had trouble with the syntax.
Darkages wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Anything that comes after it will not be run.
That's it. It's all coming back to me. :)
Darkages wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I like the syntax but I thiunk it could be better. The ekywords
confused me.
But then again many languages have features I am not yet aware of or I
am aware of but do not know how they work. Anyway. I shouldn't complain much or at all.
Poindexter Fortran wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I started programming in FORTRAN, then went on to Pascal and C. I'd
like to get back into PASCAL, reminds me of all of the BBS source code
I played with in Turbo Pascal.
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Darkages wrote to All <=-
What are you opinions on Pascal as a programming language. Like the confusing syntax that I can never get to grips with.
I like it, never had trouble with the syntax.
I started programming in FORTRAN, then went on to Pascal and C. I'd
like to get back into PASCAL, reminds me of all of the BBS source code
I played with in Turbo Pascal.
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I started programming in FORTRAN, then went on to Pascal and C. I'd
like to get back into PASCAL, reminds me of all of the BBS source code
I played with in Turbo Pascal.
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On 11/16/16, Darkages said the following...
Add some if statements and then the whole thing with when using end and when not and then to use "then" (which I believe must be used?) and when to use semi-colons. So confusing to me.
This is why I like python:
print "I like it."
It "types" well as they say.
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Steven Sheeley wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-
I use the FreePascal compiler and the Lazarus IDE for programming currently, mainly because I am looking for cross compatibility and I
know pascal (Or at least I did, a few years back).
Hello Poindexter!
17 Nov 16 14:01, you wrote to Vk3jed:
I started programming in FORTRAN, then went on to Pascal and C. I'd
like to get back into PASCAL, reminds me of all of the BBS source code
I played with in Turbo Pascal.
Embarcadero now owns TP and they have TP 5.5 available for free - http://cc.embarcadero.com/Free.aspx?id=26015
I use the FreePascal compiler and the Lazarus IDE for programming currently, mainly because I am looking for cross compatibility and I know pascal (Or at least I did, a few years back).
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Steven Sheeley wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-
I use the FreePascal compiler and the Lazarus IDE for programming currently, mainly because I am looking for cross compatibility and I know pascal (Or at least I did, a few years back).
That's the same reason I'm leaning towards FPC/Lazarus. :)
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Lazarus still has a following and Pascal is not dead. The Nim
programming language has its compiler written in Pascal.
Hello Deavmi!
19 Nov 16 11:59, you wrote to me:
Lazarus still has a following and Pascal is not dead. The Nim programming language has its compiler written in Pascal.
The main reason for me is the fact that most of the BBS software source I can find is in Pascal (Usually TP7 or Delphi) and, instead of reinventing the wheel, it's just eaier to reuse the existing source code, save, of course, the new game I am developing. And, since everything else is in Pascal, I suspect I'll stick with Pascal for CorpWars.
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On 2016-11-19 06:42 PM, Steven Sheeley wrote:
Hello Deavmi!
19 Nov 16 11:59, you wrote to me:
Lazarus still has a following and Pascal is not dead. The Nim
programming language has its compiler written in Pascal.
The main reason for me is the fact that most of the BBS software
source I can find is in Pascal (Usually TP7 or Delphi) and, instead of
reinventing the wheel, it's just eaier to reuse the existing source
code, save, of course, the new game I am developing. And, since
everything else is in Pascal, I suspect I'll stick with Pascal for
CorpWars.
Steven
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Cooleo.
Have you tried out Modula-3 as it is a language that I think just for
fun I would like to learn in the near future. I have some documentation printed on it, filed away in my archives.
Modula-3 is a Wirthian language (like Pascal is - developed by Niklaus Wirth).
Cooleo.
Have you tried out Modula-3 as it is a language that I think just for
fun I would like to learn in the near future. I have some
documentation printed on it, filed away in my archives.
Modula-3 is a Wirthian language (like Pascal is - developed by Niklaus
Wirth).
Steven Sheeley wrote to Deavmi <=-
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What are you opinions on Pascal as a programming language. Like the confusin syntax that I can never get to grips with.
Regards,
Tristan B. Kildaire (Deavmi)
E-mail: deavmi@darkagesbbs.com
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Chris wrote to Darkages <=-
I've only messed around with Pascal (FPC specifically) briefly. Can't
say I've done anything besides type in a few small listings. I like the syntax and the language in general and wish I had more time to do a project using it. It's one of those languages I remember reading about
as a kid and thought it looked good (syntax wise). I only knew basic at the time and this looked like a more powerful basic-done-right. Just
never got far with it unfortunately.
Anyway, I don't find the syntax confusing at all. There's probably a little bit of an adjustment if you're background is in c-like
languages. But nothing Earth shattering.
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Chris wrote to Darkages <=-
I've only messed around with Pascal (FPC specifically) briefly. Can't
say I've done anything besides type in a few small listings. I like the syntax and the language in general and wish I had more time to do a project using it. It's one of those languages I remember reading about
as a kid and thought it looked good (syntax wise). I only knew basic at the time and this looked like a more powerful basic-done-right. Just
never got far with it unfortunately.
I used to enjoy writing Pascal code when I was in university. Pity I can't easily read any of my old floppies (anyone have a 5.25" drive? ;)
).
Anyway, I don't find the syntax confusing at all. There's probably a little bit of an adjustment if you're background is in c-like
languages. But nothing Earth shattering.
I never found it confusing, and TP had some neat tricks that could save
a bit of code. Now to find some time to relearn, I'd like to write
some more modern Pascal code. :)
Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Darkages to All on Wed Nov 16 2016 04:35 am
What are you opinions on Pascal as a programming language. Like the confusin
syntax that I can never get to grips with.
Regards,
Tristan B. Kildaire (Deavmi)
E-mail: deavmi@darkagesbbs.com
I've only messed around with Pascal (FPC specifically) briefly. Can't say I've
done anything besides type in a few small listings. I like the syntax and the language in general and wish I had more time to do a project using it. It's one
of those languages I remember reading about as a kid and thought it looked good
(syntax wise). I only knew basic at the time and this looked like a more powerful basic-done-right. Just never got far with it unfortunately.
Anyway, I don't find the syntax confusing at all. There's probably a little bit
of an adjustment if you're background is in c-like languages. But nothing Earth
shattering.
Are you using it for any projects currently?
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Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Darkages to All on Wed Nov 16 2016 04:35 am
What are you opinions on Pascal as a programming language. Like the confusin
syntax that I can never get to grips with.
Regards,
Tristan B. Kildaire (Deavmi)
E-mail: deavmi@darkagesbbs.com
I've only messed around with Pascal (FPC specifically) briefly. Can't say I've
done anything besides type in a few small listings. I like the syntax and the language in general and wish I had more time to do a project using it. It's one
of those languages I remember reading about as a kid and thought it looked good
(syntax wise). I only knew basic at the time and this looked like a more powerful basic-done-right. Just never got far with it unfortunately.
Anyway, I don't find the syntax confusing at all. There's probably a little bit
of an adjustment if you're background is in c-like languages. But nothing Earth
shattering.
Are you using it for any projects currently?
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Sampsa wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I personally don't like Pascal, the only reason it became such a big
deal back in the 80s/early 90s was that it's REALLY easy to write a compiler for it.
Also everything else about it is just kinda crappy, it's a language designed to teach comp sci students how to build a compiler, basically.
We did that exact exercise in year 3 of my CS degree, built a Pascal compiler for this hypothetical machine's CPU's assembler.
Even Niklaus Wirt*h went on to produce two other languages that he considered the "real world" implementations of a Pascal-like language: Modula-2 and Oberon (Oberon is actually sort of nice to be honest but
good luck doing anything with it).
I never found it confusing, and TP had some neat tricks that could save
a bit of code. Now to find some time to relearn, I'd like to write
some more modern Pascal code. :)
TP wasn't confusing, but it sure as hell was unportable. Remember SWAG?
Like 50%+ of that was just Pascal function/procedure wrappers around inline Intel 8086 assembler.
Pascal was never a good language, it was a "good enough" language in
the 80s/90s with the Borland variants but I really hope it would just
die a dignified death now.
So would Wirth, and he invented the damn thing lol :).
Vk3jed wrote to Sampsa <=-
I personally don't like Pascal, the only reason it became such a big
deal back in the 80s/early 90s was that it's REALLY easy to write a compiler for it.
Also everything else about it is just kinda crappy, it's a language designed to teach comp sci students how to build a compiler, basically.
Well, interesting bit of history, but can you be more specific, and
what do you like in a language?
We did that exact exercise in year 3 of my CS degree, built a Pascal compiler for this hypothetical machine's CPU's assembler.
I'm guessing that would be a fairly standard exercise for a CS student
in their latter years.
Even Niklaus Wirt*h went on to produce two other languages that he considered the "real world" implementations of a Pascal-like language: Modula-2 and Oberon (Oberon is actually sort of nice to be honest but
good luck doing anything with it).
Modula-2 I have heard of, but not Oberon.
I never found it confusing, and TP had some neat tricks that could save
a bit of code. Now to find some time to relearn, I'd like to write
some more modern Pascal code. :)
TP wasn't confusing, but it sure as hell was unportable. Remember SWAG?
No, I don't, actually. But yes, I would agree somewhat unportable.
Pascal was never a good language, it was a "good enough" language in
the 80s/90s with the Borland variants but I really hope it would just
die a dignified death now.
Well, it did what I wanted at the time. :)
I never found it confusing, and TP had some neat tricks that could save a bit of code. Now to find some time to relearn, I'd like to write some more modern Pascal code. :)
I personally don't like Pascal, the only reason it became such a big deal back in the 80s/early 90s was that it's REALLY easy to write a compiler for it.In my programming courses I was using Java and C++, but I came along well after Pascal stopped being used in most colleges. I think it was still being taught in some places at the time,but it was being phased out. We never got around to building compilers (what the hell, I went to a community college).
Even Niklaus Wirt*h went on to produce two other languages that he considered the "real world" implementations of a Pascal-like language: Modula-2 and
Oberon (Oberon is actually sort of nice to be honest but good luck doing anything with it).
Sampsa wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Well, I like most "modern" languages but at the moment my favourite is definitely Python: It's VERY easy to pick up but scales to HUGE apps
if you want it, it's hard to state all the reasons WHY I like it but I guess some of the main ones would be:
Yeah, definitely, everyone who took a "real" CS course would have taken one on compilers and the one a lot people end up implementing is Pascal
- because it's just so damn easy to implemnet a Pascal compiler.
And yeah, it was satisfying to see your for loop turn into a bunch of LOADs, SAVEs and JUMPs. But I wouldn't have wanted to write that
compiler in Pascal :)
Even Niklaus Wirt*h went on to produce two other languages that he considered the "real world" implementations of a Pascal-like language: Modula-2 and Oberon (Oberon is actually sort of nice to be honest but
good luck doing anything with it).
Modula-2 I have heard of, but not Oberon.
Oberon is quite cool - it's both a programming language and a whole desktop UI, sort of like SmallTalk. I think it still boots in
VMware..Have a look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberon_(operating_system)
I never found it confusing, and TP had some neat tricks that could save
a bit of code. Now to find some time to relearn, I'd like to write
some more modern Pascal code. :)
TP wasn't confusing, but it sure as hell was unportable. Remember SWAG?
No, I don't, actually. But yes, I would agree somewhat unportable.
SWAG was awesome, you could find a TP unit in there to do basically ANYTHING (it was like the CPAN [perl] or pip/distutils [Python] for TP)
Also, somewhat is somewhat of an understatement :)
Well, it did what I wanted at the time. :)
Same here. But once I learned C I dropped it entirely and then in 1996 moved on to Java.
Now I code exclusively in Python (unless I have to do something weird
and platform specific, then I write a small C library and import it
into my Python app using ctypes).
Christopher Perrault wrote to Vk3jed <=-
You're not the only one. I'd love to do up a project in FPC.
Unfortunately I've been focused on admin related stuff as of late and
get little time to do any coding at all (I still need to finish
learning Python).
Pascal is further down the list, but one of these days...
Vk3jed wrote to Sampsa <=-
SWAG was awesome, you could find a TP unit in there to do basically ANYTHING (it was like the CPAN [perl] or pip/distutils [Python] for TP)
Ahh, I see. Most of my TP coding took place under TP3.x, before units came along. :)
Yeah, I never got to learn enough C for it to be useful.
Now I code exclusively in Python (unless I have to do something weird
and platform specific, then I write a small C library and import it
into my Python app using ctypes).
I'll have to take a look at Python. :)
Chris wrote to Darkages <=-
I've only messed around with Pascal (FPC specifically) briefly. Can't say I've done anything besides type in a few small listings. I like the syntax and the language in general and wish I had more time to do a project using it. It's one of those languages I remember reading about as a kid and thought it looked good (syntax wise). I only knew basic at the time and this looked like a more powerful basic-done-right. Just never got far with it unfortunately.
I used to enjoy writing Pascal code when I was in university. Pity I can't easily read any of my old floppies (anyone have a 5.25" drive? ;) ).
Anyway, I don't find the syntax confusing at all. There's probably a little bit of an adjustment if you're background is in c-like
languages. But nothing Earth shattering.
I never found it confusing, and TP had some neat tricks that could save a bit of code. Now to find some time to relearn, I'd like to write some more modern
Pascal code. :)
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Chris wrote to Darkages <=-
I've only messed around with Pascal (FPC specifically) briefly. Can't say I've done anything besides type in a few small listings. I like the syntax and the language in general and wish I had more time to do a project using it. It's one of those languages I remember reading about as a kid and thought it looked good (syntax wise). I only knew basic at the time and this looked like a more powerful basic-done-right. Just never got far with it unfortunately.
I used to enjoy writing Pascal code when I was in university. Pity I can't easily read any of my old floppies (anyone have a 5.25" drive? ;) ).
Anyway, I don't find the syntax confusing at all. There's probably a little bit of an adjustment if you're background is in c-like
languages. But nothing Earth shattering.
I personally don't like Pascal, the only reason it became such a big deal back in the 80s/early 90s was that it's REALLY easy to write a compiler for it.
Also everything else about it is just kinda crappy, it's a language designed to teach comp sci students how to build a compiler, basically.
We did that exact exercise in year 3 of my CS degree, built a Pascal compiler for this hypothetical machine's CPU's assembler.
Even Niklaus Wirt*h went on to produce two other languages that he considered the "real world" implementations of a Pascal-like language: Modula-2 and Oberon (Oberon is actually sort of nice to be honest but good luck doing anything with it).
I never found it confusing, and TP had some neat tricks that could save a bit of code. Now to find some time to relearn, I'd like to write
some more modern Pascal code. :)
TP wasn't confusing, but it sure as hell was unportable. Remember SWAG?
Like 50%+ of that was just Pascal function/procedure wrappers around
inline Intel 8086 assembler.
Pascal was never a good language, it was a "good enough" language in the 80s/90s with the Borland variants but I really hope it would just die a dignified death now.
So would Wirth, and he invented the damn thing lol :).
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Also everything else about it is just kinda crappy, it's a language
designed to teach comp sci students how to build a compiler, >basically.
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Chris wrote to Darkages <=-
I've only messed around with Pascal (FPC specifically) briefly. Can't say I've done anything besides type in a few small listings. I like the syntax and the language in general and wish I had more time to do a project using it. It's one of those languages I remember reading about as a kid and thought it looked good (syntax wise). I only knew basic at the time and this looked like a more powerful basic-done-right. Just never got far with it unfortunately.
I used to enjoy writing Pascal code when I was in university. Pity I can't easily read any of my old floppies (anyone have a 5.25" drive? ;) ).
Anyway, I don't find the syntax confusing at all. There's probably a little bit of an adjustment if you're background is in c-like
languages. But nothing Earth shattering.
I personally don't like Pascal, the only reason it became such a big deal back in the 80s/early 90s was that it's REALLY easy to write a compiler for it.
Also everything else about it is just kinda crappy, it's a language designed to teach comp sci students how to build a compiler, basically.
We did that exact exercise in year 3 of my CS degree, built a Pascal compiler for this hypothetical machine's CPU's assembler.
Even Niklaus Wirt*h went on to produce two other languages that he considered the "real world" implementations of a Pascal-like language: Modula-2 and Oberon (Oberon is actually sort of nice to be honest but good luck doing anything with it).
I never found it confusing, and TP had some neat tricks that could save a bit of code. Now to find some time to relearn, I'd like to write
some more modern Pascal code. :)
TP wasn't confusing, but it sure as hell was unportable. Remember SWAG?
Like 50%+ of that was just Pascal function/procedure wrappers around
inline Intel 8086 assembler.
Pascal was never a good language, it was a "good enough" language in the 80s/90s with the Borland variants but I really hope it would just die a dignified death now.
So would Wirth, and he invented the damn thing lol :).
Sampsa
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Sampsa wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I personally don't like Pascal, the only reason it became such a big deal back in the 80s/early 90s was that it's REALLY easy to write a compiler for it.
Also everything else about it is just kinda crappy, it's a language designed to teach comp sci students how to build a compiler, basically.
Well, interesting bit of history, but can you be more specific, and what do you
like in a language?
We did that exact exercise in year 3 of my CS degree, built a Pascal compiler for this hypothetical machine's CPU's assembler.
I'm guessing that would be a fairly standard exercise for a CS student in their
latter years.
Even Niklaus Wirt*h went on to produce two other languages that he considered the "real world" implementations of a Pascal-like language: Modula-2 and Oberon (Oberon is actually sort of nice to be honest but good luck doing anything with it).
Modula-2 I have heard of, but not Oberon.
I never found it confusing, and TP had some neat tricks that could save a bit of code. Now to find some time to relearn, I'd like to write
some more modern Pascal code. :)
TP wasn't confusing, but it sure as hell was unportable. Remember SWAG?
No, I don't, actually. But yes, I would agree somewhat unportable. However, I
once did manage to port a Morse practice program that I wrote from the DOS version of TP to CP/M. Most of the code went straight over. There were two main parts that needed some inline Z80 assembler that were machine specific for
the target machine. They were the tone generation and the character timing loops. The CP/M version needed special functions and procedures written in inline assembler (which I got a friend to do, as it was his Microbee that I was
porting the program to) to simulate the built instructions of the DOS version.
We did release both the DOS and CP/M versions (with porting instructions for other CP/M machines) to the public domain around 25 years ago, but I haven't seen a trace of it since.
Like 50%+ of that was just Pascal function/procedure wrappers around inline Intel 8086 assembler.
Pascal was never a good language, it was a "good enough" language in
the 80s/90s with the Borland variants but I really hope it would just die a dignified death now.
Well, it did what I wanted at the time. :)
So would Wirth, and he invented the damn thing lol :).
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I personally don't like Pascal, the only reason it became such a big deal back in the 80s/early 90s was that it's REALLY easy to write a compiler for it.
Also everything else about it is just kinda crappy, it's a language designed to teach comp sci students how to build a compiler, basically.
Well, interesting bit of history, but can you be more specific, and
what do you like in a language?
Well, I like most "modern" languages but at the moment my favourite is definitely Python: It's VERY easy to pick up but scales to HUGE apps
if you want it, it's hard to state all the reasons WHY I like it but I
guess some of the main ones would be:
- Nice, clean syntax (Python almost reads like pseudo-code)
- Multi-paradigm (You can write basically imperitative code that
looks like C/Pascal, heavily OOP-style code a la Java or even
almost functional programming style stuff [of which I'm not a
big fan])
- Large, modular and uniform standard library (Python has more or
less everything you can think of in the basic API, but you don't
HAVE to know all of it to work with the language)
- Popularity. Sounds stupid, but if an otherwise awesome language
is used by 500 devs world-wide, you're not going to get a lot of
new stuff up on GitHub to use. For example I think there are THREE
different FTN processing libraries (admittedly all flawed) for
Python.
We did that exact exercise in year 3 of my CS degree, built a Pascal compiler for this hypothetical machine's CPU's assembler.
I'm guessing that would be a fairly standard exercise for a CS student in their latter years.
Yeah, definitely, everyone who took a "real" CS course would have taken one on compilers and the one a lot people end up implementing is Pascal - because it's just so damn easy to implemnet a Pascal compiler.
And yeah, it was satisfying to see your for loop turn into a bunch of LOADs, SAVEs and JUMPs. But I wouldn't have wanted to write that compiler in
Pascal :)
Even Niklaus Wirt*h went on to produce two other languages that he considered the "real world" implementations of a Pascal-like language: Modula-2 and Oberon (Oberon is actually sort of nice to be honest but good luck doing anything with it).
Modula-2 I have heard of, but not Oberon.
Oberon is quite cool - it's both a programming language and a whole desktop UI, sort of like SmallTalk. I think it still boots in VMware..Have a look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberon_(operating_system)
I never found it confusing, and TP had some neat tricks that could save a bit of code. Now to find some time to relearn, I'd like to write
some more modern Pascal code. :)
TP wasn't confusing, but it sure as hell was unportable. Remember SWAG?
No, I don't, actually. But yes, I would agree somewhat unportable.
SWAG was awesome, you could find a TP unit in there to do basically
ANYTHING (it was like the CPAN [perl] or pip/distutils [Python] for TP)
Also, somewhat is somewhat of an understatement :)
Pascal was never a good language, it was a "good enough" language in
the 80s/90s with the Borland variants but I really hope it would just die a dignified death now.
Well, it did what I wanted at the time. :)
Same here. But once I learned C I dropped it entirely and then in 1996
moved on to Java.
Now I code exclusively in Python (unless I have to do something weird
and platform specific, then I write a small C library and import it
into my Python app using ctypes).
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Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Vk3jed to Chris on Thu Nov 24 2016 09:11 pm
I never found it confusing, and TP had some neat tricks that could save a bit of code. Now to find some time to relearn, I'd like to write some more
modern Pascal code. :)
You're not the only one. I'd love to do up a project in FPC. Unfortunately I've
been focused on admin related stuff as of late and get little time to do any coding at all (I still need to finish learning Python).
Pascal is further down the list, but one of these days...
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Pascal was never a good language, it was a "good enough" language in the 80s/90s with the Borland variants but I really hope it would just die a dignified death now.
So would Wirth, and he invented the damn thing lol :).
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So would Wirth, and he invented the damn thing lol .
That's not nice.
He still contributed to CS. And why wish death on anyone like him?
Inline assembler? Is that when you include assembly code within the
Pascal program (which I am aware you can do)
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Deavmi to Vk3jed on Fri Nov 25 2016 05:40 pm
Inline assembler? Is that when you include assembly code within the
Pascal program (which I am aware you can do)
Yes. I remember the OS-9 Pascal compilor having this option as well as the C compiler. I'm assuming most implementations probably have that option, but I doubt it get's uses as much today with today's technology.
Back in the 8-bit days it made more sense to write the more intensive routines
in ASM.
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Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Deavmi to Sampsa on Fri Nov 25 2016 05:38 pm
Pascal was never a good language, it was a "good enough" language in the 80s/90s with the Borland variants but I really hope it would just die a dignified death now.
So would Wirth, and he invented the damn thing lol :).
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So would Wirth, and he invented the damn thing lol .
That's not nice.
He still contributed to CS. And why wish death on anyone like him?
I think you may have misread that. I don't think he was wishing death on Niklaus Wirth. He was wishing death on Pascal and saying that Wirth probably wishes it were dead too.
I think...
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Deavmi wrote to Sampsa <=-
binary blob
What's a binary blob?
Deavmi wrote to Sampsa <=-
binary blob
What's a binary blob?
Basically in this context, executable machine code.
.COM files on DOS are basically just binary blobs, a bunch of binary
machine code that gets loaded into a fixed address in memory and DOS
then jumps to that address to execute a program.
.EXE files have a little preamble that says how to set up the code/data segments etc and where to jump to start the program.
Most modern exectuable format (ELF etc, whatever Windows uses etc) are
like .EXE files - little structured preamble followed by the code etc.
But I also use it to mean things like writing Pascal records out straight
to disk - which is really stupid nowadays, use some kind of standard format like JSON etc, don't just dump a data structure to disk as is.
OK, if you're dealing with like HUGE amounts of records then fine, I can understand not wanting to parse the stuff but at that point you should probably be using some kind of database system anyway.
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To make sure that they executed exactly what you wanted? Rather than the doings of abstract Pascal code which you don't know how it will do the task.
Oh okay. I guess you can wish death on something if it ain't good. But
don't forget it atleast. :)
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Deavmi to Chris on Sat Nov 26 2016 11:20 am
Oh okay. I guess you can wish death on something if it ain't good. But don't forget it atleast. :)
True that. I try not to wish death on anyone (I have about a 90% success rate
there).
But I wish death on products and trends all the time lol.
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Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Deavmi to Chris on Sat Nov 26 2016 11:20 am
To make sure that they executed exactly what you wanted? Rather than the doings of abstract Pascal code which you don't know how it will do the task.
I don't have enought experience with it to know. The main reason I've heard for people using inline asm, whether in c or pascal, was performance based. I suppose there are other reasons as you mentioned, I've just never heard them mentioned before.
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Re: Re: Opinion on PascalYeah, I think just the fine grained access to specific instructions
By: Deavmi to Chris on Sat Nov 26 2016 11:20 am
To make sure that they executed exactly what you wanted? Ratherthan the
doings of abstract Pascal code which you don't know how it will dothe task.
I don't have enought experience with it to know. The main reason I've
heard
for people using inline asm, whether in c or pascal, was performance
based. I
suppose there are other reasons as you mentioned, I've just never
heard them
mentioned before.
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allow for you to write more specifically what must be done and how
whereas C could compile to code that does multiple checks on things
before it executes the specific thing you wanted (however with only C
you cannot control this drawn-out process).
Well for me, if something is a fad, it needs no wishing - it will go
away but as for the way technology is going like with IoT - it ain't a
fad and I do want it to go away.
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Deavmi to Chris on Mon Nov 28 2016 07:43 pm
Well for me, if something is a fad, it needs no wishing - it will go
away but as for the way technology is going like with IoT - it ain't a
fad and I do want it to go away.
yeah, but you know fads always come back. sometimes they are in disguise but still, they come back. freaking bell bottoms.
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I guess so. But how would IoT re-appear in disguise or is it the bigger picture of privacy issues coming as fads, like first cloud computing,
then IoT?
Deavmi wrote to Darkages <=-
I have actually come to grips with the syntax now and I love the way
you type the syntax :).
Deavmi wrote to Darkages <=-
I will also be sticking with Pascal as I like it a lot and FPC exists.
I'm also looking at relearning Pascal. Even looking at code snippets is bringing back memories, so it will be a lot less of a (re) learning curve than learning C or another language from near scratch.
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I'm also looking at relearning Pascal. Even looking at code snippets is bringing back memories, so it will be a lot less of a (re) learning curve than learning C or another language from near scratch.
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Deavmi wrote to Darkages <=-
I have actually come to grips with the syntax now and I love the way
you type the syntax :).
I've always like Pascal syntax. Pascal is the language I've done the most with, so I do have a soft spot for it.
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I've always like Pascal syntax. Pascal is the language I've done the
most with, so I do have a soft spot for it.
I have a soft spot for it even though I never did it back in the day (lol).
Anyone for FORTRAN? :)
Deavmi wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I was busy reading the documentation on Free Pascal's Pascal and I
shall return to it shortly.
Deavmi wrote to Vk3jed <=-
If I have any questions I will come to you :).
Deavmi wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I have a soft spot for it even though I never did it back in the day (lol).
Poindexter Fortran wrote to Deavmi <=-lol).
I have a soft spot for it even though I never did it back in the day
Anyone for FORTRAN? :)
Deavmi wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I was busy reading the documentation on Free Pascal's Pascal and I
shall return to it shortly.
Yeah, that's on my winter to do list, which is getting closer, with the last week of the summer track season upon me. :)
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Deavmi wrote to Vk3jed <=-
If I have any questions I will come to you :).
Well, it's going to take a little while to get off the ground, though I did get
"Hello World" working. LOL
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Deavmi wrote to Vk3jed <=-
If I have any questions I will come to you :).
Well, it's going to take a little while to get off the ground, though I did get
"Hello World" working. LOL
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Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Deavmi to Vk3jed on Mon Mar 27 2017 02:04 pm
I've always like Pascal syntax. Pascal is the language I've done the
most with, so I do have a soft spot for it.
I have a soft spot for it even though I never did it back in the day (lol).
Anyone for FORTRAN? :)
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Deavmi wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, that's on my winter to do list, which is getting closer, with the last week of the summer track season upon me. :)
Awesome to hear.
Deavmi wrote to Vk3jed <=-
program hello;
begin
writeln('Hello world');
end.
Deavmi wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I just love Pascal's syntax. So frikken sexy.
Deavmi wrote to Vk3jed <=-
program hello;
begin
writeln('Hello world');
end.
I had to add
Uses Crt;
at the top, it needs the CRT unit to be able to write to the console screen.. D
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Deavmi wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I just love Pascal's syntax. So frikken sexy.
I find it quite neat, for the most part.
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I find it quite neat, for the most part.
I like C's syntax. It's good and easier to type (physically with akeyboard
- not talking about the type system).
Deavmi wrote to Vk3jed <=-creen..
I had to add
Uses Crt;
at the top, it needs the CRT unit to be able to write to the console
D
FPC includes that module by default.
Ennev wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I find it quite neat, for the most part.
Cleaner to read than a bunch of {} %#%$ () () ;
Maybe it look less compact, but a code is brisk and small no because
you typed it compactly.
Remember demonstrating that years ago at a job writing the same piece
of code in Turbo Pascal and in Microsoft C.
We had a decompiler so we could see what both code looked like and at
that level it was practically indistinguishable.
And when you use Delphi the difference in the size of a .exe was
dramatic.
So at the end of the day, it's funnier to support code in Pascal than C
or Java. You can of course type less compact source code in c or java
but it's up to the developer, when pascal forces you.
while (number > 0)
{
factorial *= number;
--number;
}
or
while (nu > 0) {fa *= nu;--nu;}
it will both do the same thing, but one is so much nicer to read that
the other.
and once compiled that will end up being the same code executing in the same amount of time.
I find it quite neat, for the most part.
Cleaner to read than a bunch of {} %#%$ () () ;
Maybe it look less compact, but a code is brisk and small no because you typed
it compactly.
Remember demonstrating that years ago at a job writing the same piece of code in Turbo Pascal and in Microsoft C.
We had a decompiler so we could see what both code looked like and at that level it was practically indistinguishable.
And when you use Delphi the difference in the size of a .exe was dramatic.
Opening a windows with "hello world" with a button to close was like 15kb. where the same in c# was like 250kb because of all the stuff it was
bundling in it and that with turning the debug mode at off in both cases.
So at the end of the day, it's funnier to support code in Pascal than C or Java. You can of course type less compact source code in c or java but it's up
to the developer, when pascal forces you.
while (number > 0)
{
factorial *= number;
--number;
}
or
while (nu > 0) {fa *= nu;--nu;}
it will both do the same thing, but one is so much nicer to read that the other.
and once compiled that will end up being the same code executing in the
same amount of time.
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I find it quite neat, for the most part.
Cleaner to read than a bunch of {} %#%$ () () ;
Maybe it look less compact, but a code is brisk and small no because you typed
it compactly.
Remember demonstrating that years ago at a job writing the same piece of code in Turbo Pascal and in Microsoft C.
We had a decompiler so we could see what both code looked like and at that level it was practically indistinguishable.
And when you use Delphi the difference in the size of a .exe was dramatic.
Opening a windows with "hello world" with a button to close was like 15kb. where the same in c# was like 250kb because of all the stuff it was
bundling in it and that with turning the debug mode at off in both cases.
So at the end of the day, it's funnier to support code in Pascal than C or Java. You can of course type less compact source code in c or java but it's up
to the developer, when pascal forces you.
while (number > 0)
{
factorial *= number;
--number;
}
or
while (nu > 0) {fa *= nu;--nu;}
it will both do the same thing, but one is so much nicer to read that the other.
and once compiled that will end up being the same code executing in the
same amount of time.
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I like C's syntax. It's good and easier to type (physically with akeyboard
- not talking about the type system).
But so messy :-D
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- not talking about the type system).
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Can we all agree though that Bash is a shit language.
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Deavmi to Ennev on Thu Mar 30 2017 10:28 pm
Can we all agree though that Bash is a shit language.
In what way? What little experience I had with it, it was no different that the strange syntax of Windows/DOS Batch scripting. I did find BASH to be more picky, though. I will agree it's a terrible language to script in, but I will add on the fact that it is the most picky.
Guess so but when you need to quickly write some code and test it out it beats things like Pascal. Also it ain't that messy - I like it quite a lot. It isn't, let's say, as elegant as Pascal - I can tell you that.
On 2017-03-30 09:12 PM, Ennev wrote:
Can we all agree though that Bash is a shit language.
Deavmi wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I had to add
Uses Crt;
at the top, it needs the CRT unit to be able to write to the consolecreen..
D
FPC includes that module by default.
I got an error until I referenced the unit, then it compiled and ran fine. :)
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Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Deavmi to Ennev on Thu Mar 30 2017 10:28 pm
Can we all agree though that Bash is a shit language.
In what way? What little experience I had with it, it was no different that the strange syntax of Windows/DOS Batch scripting. I did find BASH to be more
picky, though. I will agree it's a terrible language to script in, but I will
add on the fact that it is the most picky.
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Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: jagossel to Deavmi on Thu Mar 30 2017 06:07 pm
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Deavmi to Ennev on Thu Mar 30 2017 10:28 pm
Can we all agree though that Bash is a shit language.
In what way? What little experience I had with it, it was no different that the strange syntax of Windows/DOS Batch scripting. I did find BASH to
be more picky, though. I will agree it's a terrible language to script in,
but I will add on the fact that it is the most picky.
Sorry to interject here, jumping into the middle of a conversation..
I would never consider Bash a programming language any more than I would DOS.
Both are more of a 'user interface', and over time capabilities were added so someone didn't have to sit down and write a program to do something.
But.. as a scripting language, it is similar to a programming language in that
is has specific syntax for specific commands. If you don't get the syntax correct, you're screwed no matter what language you're working in.
I find bash useful for scripting system commands and simple text or flat file processing. Expect is a bit nicer when you need to react different depending on a system or program response. Then again, I think that is about what these
two were designed for...
okay then.. carry on..
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Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: jagossel to Deavmi on Thu Mar 30 2017 06:07 pm
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Deavmi to Ennev on Thu Mar 30 2017 10:28 pm
Can we all agree though that Bash is a shit language.
In what way? What little experience I had with it, it was no different that the strange syntax of Windows/DOS Batch scripting. I did find BASH to
be more picky, though. I will agree it's a terrible language to script in,
but I will add on the fact that it is the most picky.
Sorry to interject here, jumping into the middle of a conversation..
I would never consider Bash a programming language any more than I would DOS.
Both are more of a 'user interface', and over time capabilities were added so someone didn't have to sit down and write a program to do something.
But.. as a scripting language, it is similar to a programming language in that
is has specific syntax for specific commands. If you don't get the syntax correct, you're screwed no matter what language you're working in.
I find bash useful for scripting system commands and simple text or flat file processing. Expect is a bit nicer when you need to react different depending on a system or program response. Then again, I think that is about what these
two were designed for...
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I would never consider Bash a programming language any more than I would DOS
But.. as a scripting language, it is similar to a programming language in that
is has specific syntax for specific commands. If you don't get the syntax correct, you're screwed no matter what language you're working in.
At the and it's just about what works for you :-)
So that why it's good to get a look at what's available to see what fits your for the project you have in mind.
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Also the parser gives the funniest error messages.
Error on line 70 when it's on 36.
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Deavmi to jagossel on Fri Mar 31 2017 15:14:51
Same thing with SQL Server and SQL Scrpits or stored procedures.
Error on line 73...
"How exactly does a blank line cause an error? This isn't BrainF***!"
I susoect it has a lot of how the scripts gets parsed in regards to line numbers; not really sure how to get to the right line with the given line number.
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Deavmi wrote to Vk3jed <=-
What version of FPC are you using? Maybe your version doesn't
implicitly include it.
Deavmi wrote to Vk3jed <=-
What version of FPC are you using? Maybe your version doesn't implicitly include it.
3.0.0, if I recall.
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Deavmi wrote to Hemo <=-
Python is technically seen as a scripting language too but atleast it's better. Idk though. i love Python (you can use it as a command-line,
just differently).
Jagossel wrote to Hemo <=-
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Hemo to jagossel on Thu Mar 30 2017 22:32:01
I would never consider Bash a programming language any more than I would DOS
No argument from me on that point. I get it's not a programming
language in the fact that there is no code to compile. I never said
that it is a programming language.
But.. as a scripting language, it is similar to a programming language in th
at
is has specific syntax for specific commands. If you don't get the syntax correct, you're screwed no matter what language you're working in.
I totally get that. My point is that other languages (both scrpting and programmimg languages) have SOME room for minor differenes in whitespacing.
Again, I have VERY LITTLE experience with BASH and I get tripped up
from time to time when I do use it and I have to look up some things in the manual.
Examples of where I stumbled a bit:
- Spaces inside the square brackets
- The special switches for if a directory or file exists or doesn't
exist
- Accepting argumemts
- Defining functions first before calling it
Deavmi wrote to Hemo <=-
Python is technically seen as a scripting language too but atleast it's better. Idk though. i love Python (you can use it as a command-line, just differently).
Perl falls to mind as well. now there's one that is confusing. About 15 different ways and back to do just about anything, ranging from complete gibberish to human readable. And it all works.
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Jagossel wrote to Hemo <=-
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Hemo to jagossel on Thu Mar 30 2017 22:32:01
I would never consider Bash a programming language any more than I would DOS
No argument from me on that point. I get it's not a programming
language in the fact that there is no code to compile. I never said
that it is a programming language.
But.. as a scripting language, it is similar to a programming language in th
at
is has specific syntax for specific commands. If you don't get the syntax correct, you're screwed no matter what language you're working in.
I totally get that. My point is that other languages (both scrpting and programmimg languages) have SOME room for minor differenes in whitespacing.
Again, I have VERY LITTLE experience with BASH and I get tripped up
from time to time when I do use it and I have to look up some things in the manual.
Examples of where I stumbled a bit:
- Spaces inside the square brackets
- The special switches for if a directory or file exists or doesn't exist
- Accepting argumemts
- Defining functions first before calling it
no arguments from me on any of that. I find the more languages one tries to learn, the more confusing it can be as things do vary between them. Sometimes quite a bit. Sometimes little things, like the result when comparing strings.
C returns 0 when they match, which still trips me up, becuase most other languages I may use return 1 or true when strings match.
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All the roads lead to Rome.Your last line. Does that just mean "all languages do the same thing" or can get the same job done (there are exceptions though ;), I'm sure).
Deavmi wrote to Hemo <=-
On 2017-04-01 05:48 AM, Hemo wrote:
Deavmi wrote to Hemo <=-
Python is technically seen as a scripting language too but atleast it's better. Idk though. i love Python (you can use it as a command-line, just differently).
Perl falls to mind as well. now there's one that is confusing. About 15 different ways and back to do just about anything, ranging from complete gibberish to human readable. And it all works.-
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Perl to me is not a nice language. Ugly as hell.
Deavmi wrote to Hemo <=-
On 2017-04-01 05:48 AM, Hemo wrote:
Deavmi wrote to Hemo <=-
t'sPython is technically seen as a scripting language too but atleast i
better. Idk though. i love Python (you can use it as a command-line, just differently).
ingPerl falls to mind as well. now there's one that is confusing. About 15 different ways and back to do just about anything, ranging from complete gibberish to human readable. And it all works.
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Perl to me is not a nice language. Ugly as hell.
Lol - yes, I can see that, though it is a language I do a lot of work in and
try very hard to write in such a way that others can understand, and I comment
things heavily. I use Perl for text file manipulations mostly, I think it excels in this area. I have started doing some of my daily taks in bash scripts when I can, because others in our support team understand bash more than Perl.ing
I dabbled in Pascal back in the 1990's, even wrote a few mods for Synchronet back then that never really took off, but you can still find at least one of them in BBS archives. It was my first attempt, and much like the work I do today, it was manipulating a text file to change data. I didn't continue us
Pascal, and forgot most things.an
In 1981 I wrote a huge multiple choice quiz system in Integer Basic on the Apple ][ series. It was basically a flat file database with a front end and
editor. I aced that class, and it was a fun project. I recall the teacher used the program for a few quizes in the following years. (I gave permission)
I started a class on Python and dropped it because I couldn't get over some things. I can't recall what those things were, I should go take another look
at it.
cheers,
Hemo
Deavmi wrote to Vk3jed <=-
3.0.0, if I recall.
Isn;'t that quite new?
Jagossel wrote to Deavmi <=-
Same thing with SQL Server and SQL Scrpits or stored procedures.
Error on line 73...
"How exactly does a blank line cause an error? This isn't BrainF***!"
I susoect it has a lot of how the scripts gets parsed in regards to
line numbers; not really sure how to get to the right line with the
given line number.
Hemo wrote to Deavmi <=-
Perl falls to mind as well. now there's one that is confusing. About
15 different ways and back to do just about anything, ranging from complete gibberish to human readable. And it all works.
Hemo wrote to Jagossel <=-
Examples of where I stumbled a bit:
- Spaces inside the square brackets
- The special switches for if a directory or file exists or doesn't
exist
- Accepting argumemts
- Defining functions first before calling it
no arguments from me on any of that. I find the more languages one
tries to learn, the more confusing it can be as things do vary between them. Sometimes quite a bit. Sometimes little things, like the result when comparing strings. C returns 0 when they match, which still trips
me up, becuase most other languages I may use return 1 or true when strings match.
Deavmi wrote to Hemo <=-ometimes
no arguments from me on any of that. I find the more languages one tries to learn, the more confusing it can be as things do vary between them.
quite a bit. Sometimes little things, like the result when comparingstrings.
C returns 0 when they match, which still trips me up, becuase most other languages I may use return 1 or true when strings match.
0 makes sense. It usually is always like that. It is a neutral number.
KK4QBN wrote to Deavmi <=-
All roads might lead to rome, but you have to fork off and take other roads to get there, no single road will take you to rome, just as no single programming language would do 'everything' you would need it to
do "I presume". So its nice to have options. I find bash scriting to be very helpul, just as anything else I can grasp on to, like Qbasic for example :)
Hemo wrote to Deavmi <=-
Perl to me is not a nice language. Ugly as hell.
Lol - yes, I can see that, though it is a language I do a lot of work
in and I try very hard to write in such a way that others can
understand, and I comment things heavily. I use Perl for text file manipulations mostly, I think it excels in this area. I have started doing some of my daily taks in bash scripts when I can, because others
in our support team understand bash more than Perl.
I dabbled in Pascal back in the 1990's, even wrote a few mods for Synchronet back then that never really took off, but you can still find
at least one of them in BBS archives. It was my first attempt, and
much like the work I do today, it was manipulating a text file to
change data. I didn't continue using Pascal, and forgot most things.
In 1981 I wrote a huge multiple choice quiz system in Integer Basic on
the Apple ][ series. It was basically a flat file database with a
front end and an editor. I aced that class, and it was a fun project.
I recall the teacher used the program for a few quizes in the following years. (I gave permission)
I started a class on Python and dropped it because I couldn't get over some things. I can't recall what those things were, I should go take another look at it.
Deavmi wrote to Hemo <=-
Thanks for the info. Maybe take a look at Python and you can figure
those things out. Maybe it's the heavy use of OOP?
Jagossel wrote to Hemo <=-
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Hemo to jagossel on Thu Mar 30 2017 22:32:01
I would never consider Bash a programming language any more than I would DOS
No argument from me on that point. I get it's not a programming language in the fact that there is no code to compile. I never said that it is a programming language.
But.. as a scripting language, it is similar to a programming language in th
at
is has specific syntax for specific commands. If you don't get the syntax correct, you're screwed no matter what language you're working in.
I totally get that. My point is that other languages (both scrpting and programmimg languages) have SOME room for minor differenes in whitespacing.
Again, I have VERY LITTLE experience with BASH and I get tripped up from time to time when I do use it and I have to look up some things in the manual.
Examples of where I stumbled a bit:
- Spaces inside the square brackets
- The special switches for if a directory or file exists or doesn't exist
- Accepting argumemts
- Defining functions first before calling it
no arguments from me on any of that. I find the more languages one tries to learn, the more confusing it can be as things do vary between them. Sometimes quite a bit. Sometimes little things, like the result when comparing strings. C returns 0 when they match, which still trips me up, becuase most other languages I may use return 1 or true when strings match.
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascalr
By: Deavmi to Ennev on Fri Mar 31 2017 10:54 am
All the roads lead to Rome.Your last line. Does that just mean "all languages do the same thing" o
tocan get the same job done (there are exceptions though ;), I'm sure).
All roads might lead to rome, but you have to fork off and take other roads
get there, no single road will take you to rome, just as no single programming
language would do 'everything' you would need it to do "I presume". So its nice
to have options. I find bash scriting to be very helpul, just as anything else
I can grasp on to, like Qbasic for example :)
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Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: KK4QBN to Deavmi on Sat Apr 01 2017 10:48 am
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I like Qbasic too. I dont know why. maybe I have a goto mind.
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Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Deavmi to Eyearrvee on Thu Apr 13 2017 11:46 am
The day I discovered goto in C I was like whaaaaaaat?
It's in C# as well; although, rarely used. Never understood the "goto" in C# or any other OO language.
Granted I was pretty guilty of using GOTO when I programmed for fun on the TRS-80 CoCo as a kid.
Granted I was pretty guilty of using GOTO when I programmed for fun on th TRS-80 CoCo as a kid.
Did you RETURN?
The day I discovered goto in C I was like whaaaaaaat?
It's in C# as well; although, rarely used. Never understood the
"goto" in C# or any other OO language.
Granted I was pretty guilty of using GOTO when I programmed for fun on
the TRS-80 CoCo as a kid.
Did you RETURN?
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal#
By: Deavmi to Eyearrvee on Thu Apr 13 2017 11:46 am
The day I discovered goto in C I was like whaaaaaaat?
It's in C# as well; although, rarely used. Never understood the "goto" in C
or any other OO language.
Granted I was pretty guilty of using GOTO when I programmed for fun on the TRS-80 CoCo as a kid.
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1 If X= Y goto 10
10 Exit
1 If X= Y goto 10
10 Exit
HEY! THATS NOT FAIR!!! Get back here. :-)
I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other day the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>
It's in C# as well; although, rarely used. Never understood the
"goto" in C# or any other OO language.
Did you RETURN?
I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>
I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the
other day the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>
What? Ok, that I have got to see: a Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer 3 hooked up to a 60" TV. :D
I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the
other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>
wow, I have'nt messed with a CoCo since about 1990.
My 1st computer was a 4k vic 20 then I bought a CoCo 2
My vic 20 had a casste tape drive lol that was a huge waste loading programs. had dual 5.25 drives on my CoCo.
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Mortifis to jagossel on Sat May 27 2017 12:14:00
Granted I was pretty guilty of using GOTO when I programmed for fun on TRS-80 CoCo as a kid.
Did you RETURN?
Did I GOTO using RETURNs? :D See what I did there?
As a kid, I used GOTO a lot and never really understood the point of GOSUBS. Now, after being a professional software developer for over 10 years, and going through the Usborne programming books from the 1980s that they put onl for viewing (thanks to Nostalgia Nerd for providing the link to them in his video description on YouTube), I am finally beginning to see the vaule of GOSUB/RETURN: provides reusability in a structured programming paradigm, if done right. So, it would make sense that BASIC could move from being a structured paradigm to a procedural one fairly easily. Now-a-days, BASIC ha become more object oriented (e.g. Visual Basic).
-jag
Code it, Script it, Automate it!
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Joe Delahaye to Mickey on Sun May 28 2017 23:01:06
I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>
What? Ok, that I have got to see: a Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer 3 hooked up a 60" TV. :D
-jag
Code it, Script it, Automate it!
Chris wrote to Jagossel <=-
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Jagossel to Joe Delahaye on Mon May 29 2017 07:58 pm
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Joe Delahaye to Mickey on Sun May 28 2017 23:01:06
I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>
What? Ok, that I have got to see: a Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer 3 hooked up a 60" TV. :D
-jag
Code it, Script it, Automate it!
I haven't seen it on a 60 inch tv yet, but footage from more recent Cocofest meetings show it running on modern led/lcd monitors which I thought was really cool. It's really impressive the amount of
development they are doing on Cocos to this day.
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Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Deavmi to jagossel on Sun May 28 2017 09:13 am
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sweet now i know your ip addressYeah you do. And it ain't actually mine it's the ISPs major NAT.
[kk4qbn.synchro.net]
User: Deavmi #18 In real life: Tristan B. Kildaire
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Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Mickey to Joe Delahaye on Sun May 28 2017 11:04:00
I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>
I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the
other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>
Cool! I cut my teeth on the Coco 2 and 3, still have both as well. First BBS I ever called was also on my Coco 2 :)
Great to seea nother Coco user.
I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the
other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>
Cool! I cut my teeth on the Coco 2 and 3, still have both as well. First BBS I ever called was also on my Coco 2 :)
Great to seea nother Coco user.
I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the
other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>
Cool! I cut my teeth on the Coco 2 and 3, still have both as well.
First BBS I ever called was also on my Coco 2 :)
Great to seea nother Coco user.
I also started out on a CoCo 2, My brother and I ran our first BBS in 1988 on a CoCo 2 64k ram on a basic program written by my brother.
I recently found the code of his BBS software out in my garage.
I scanned it in pdf format and uploaded it to my BBS.
I also have almost every Rainbow magazine on my BBS in PDF.
I need to find a CoCo2 or 3 at a yard sale.
Cool! I cut my teeth on the Coco 2 and 3, still have both as well. First BBS I ever called was also on my Coco 2 :)
Great to seea nother Coco user.
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Joe Delahaye to Mickey on Sun May 28 2017 11:01 pm
Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
By: Mickey to Joe Delahaye on Sun May 28 2017 11:04:00
I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>
Cool! I cut my teeth on the Coco 2 and 3, still have both as well. First BBS I ever called was also on my Coco 2 :)You got any compilers on that Coco currently installed?
Great to seea nother Coco user.
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