• Re: Booster

    From K7elh@VERT/EOTSQWK to Dr. What on Thu Dec 23 14:00:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Tracker1 on Wed Nov 24 2021 08:02:00


    And the actual science does not support the idea that EVERYONE needs to get the jab. The science shows that only a small percentage would benefit from it.

    And of course you have proof to back up this claim?

    Eric

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  • From K7elh@VERT/EOTSQWK to MRO on Thu Dec 23 14:17:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Trikester on Wed Nov 24 2021 19:40:00

    hey random guy. we're not trolls. i dont think you know the meaning of the word. we arent saying stuff to get a reaction.

    Really?? It seems as though that is the only reason you say anything at all. And with gems, like the comment below, you are just DYING for a reaction.

    that being said, anybody that is pro covid vaccine is an idiot. it's useless and probably worse than having no jab at all.

    Oh yeah? So, tell me, where is you get your PhD in immunobiology from?

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to K7elh on Thu Dec 23 19:55:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: K7elh to Dr. What on Thu Dec 23 2021 07:00 pm

    And the actual science does not support the idea that EVERYONE needs
    to get the jab. The science shows that only a small percentage would
    benefit from it.

    And of course you have proof to back up this claim?

    Looks like kyle is back with a new name.
    If you don't believe his claim it's up to you to prove him wrong, you and your ilk always say follow the science but never show any proof of the science.
    Instead of all this blah blah blobbity blah do your research! it's not hard to find real comprehensive studies.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to K7elh on Fri Dec 24 00:27:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: K7elh to Dr. What on Thu Dec 23 2021 07:00 pm

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Tracker1 on Wed Nov 24 2021 08:02:00


    And the actual science does not support the idea that EVERYONE needs to g the jab. The science shows that only a small percentage would benefit fr it.

    And of course you have proof to back up this claim?

    Eric


    The EMA has recognized a bunch of ugly side effects for some of the jabs that have a low incidence, but not an insignificant incidence.

    Combined with the fact serious effects from COVID only get significant above certain age ranges, it can be argued there is a point beyond which taking the jab is more beneficial that risking the virus, and a point before which the vaccine does not make much sense.

    Which is the reason why some doctors I know are saying that the jab makes sense after 52 years of age but that it is debatable at best before, and plain counterproductive for kids.

    I think it was the Pediatry Asociation from Navarra which projected that you prevent an infection for every 150 jabs distributed, provided the shots are properly distributed (many asshat countries are having trouble keeping the cold chain and distributing botched batches of the vaccines anyway). My take is that the whole thing is a risk mitigator but not a solution for significatively delaying the spread of the virus - so the argument that everybody must take the jab regardless of personal risks, in order to block the spread of the infection, is a bit weak.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Arelor on Fri Dec 24 04:18:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to K7elh on Fri Dec 24 2021 05:27 am

    Which is the reason why some doctors I know are saying that the jab makes sense after 52 years of age but that it is debatable
    at best before, and plain counterproductive for kids.

    Come on, Arelor, you honestly think that a message from a doc that says "52" is a magic number, flying in the face of the recommendations everywhere, is a sensible outlying point?

    That's not the message being given anywhere sensible.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to K7elh on Fri Dec 24 07:57:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: K7elh to MRO on Thu Dec 23 2021 07:17 pm

    that being said, anybody that is pro covid vaccine is an idiot. it's useless and probably worse than having no jab at all.

    Oh yeah? So, tell me, where is you get your PhD in immunobiology from?


    go back under your rock, loser drama queen.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to K7elh on Fri Dec 24 08:54:00 2021
    K7elh wrote to Dr. What <=-

    And the actual science does not support the idea that EVERYONE needs to get the jab. The science shows that only a small percentage would benefit from it.

    And of course you have proof to back up this claim?

    Standard Leftie Tactic: Demand that you do their research for them (which isn't that surprising since they are completely incompetent).

    But the purpose of this is to pick and pick at your evidence. They have already decided that reality is something else. So providing the proof that they can get themselves is just an exercise in futility - and designed to wear you down.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Fri Dec 24 04:17:00 2021
    Arelor wrote to K7elh <=-

    Which is the reason why some doctors I know are saying that the jab
    makes sense after 52 years of age but that it is debatable at best before, and plain counterproductive for kids.

    Those doctors must be living in a vacuum. Families have limited contact
    within their families to limit the exposure to covid. Children are in
    contact in schools with children who aren't as vigilant about preventing the spread, or mixed in with kids of Trump-supporting parents who've politicized preventative measures. Then, my kids go home and see my 84 year-old mother, who is vaccinated but at high risk should she contract covid.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dr. What on Fri Dec 24 17:43:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to K7elh on Fri Dec 24 2021 01:54 pm

    And the actual science does not support the idea that EVERYONE needs
    to get the jab. The science shows that only a small percentage
    would benefit from it.

    And of course you have proof to back up this claim?

    Standard Leftie Tactic: Demand that you do their research for them (which isn't that surprising since they are completely incompetent).

    If you're going to make a claim about something, wouldn't the burn of proof be on you to provide something to back up your claim? "Just fucking Google it" isn't always helpful.

    Nightfox

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Fri Dec 24 18:38:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to K7elh on Fri Dec 24 2021 12:57 pm

    that being said, anybody that is pro covid vaccine is an idiot. it's
    useless and probably worse than having no jab at all.

    Oh yeah? So, tell me, where is you get your PhD in immunobiology from?

    "where is you get your PhD" ? Kyle's 1st language must be spanish or something.
    Guess I'll twitlist his newest name.

    go back under your rock, loser drama queen.

    get over your bullshit.

    It's that same kyle that I twitlisted using a new name.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dr. What on Fri Dec 24 18:41:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to K7elh on Fri Dec 24 2021 01:54 pm

    And the actual science does not support the idea that EVERYONE needs
    to get the jab. The science shows that only a small percentage
    would benefit from it.

    And of course you have proof to back up this claim?

    Standard Leftie Tactic: Demand that you do their research for them (which isn't that surprising since they are completely incompetent).

    But the purpose of this is to pick and pick at your evidence. They have already decided that reality is something else. So providing the proof that they can get themselves is just an exercise in futility - and designed to wear you down.

    It's that same Kyle guy, I'm going to twitlist him yet again.



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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Dec 24 18:55:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Dec 24 2021 09:17 am

    Which is the reason why some doctors I know are saying that the jab
    makes sense after 52 years of age but that it is debatable at best
    before, and plain counterproductive for kids.

    Those doctors must be living in a vacuum. Families have limited contact within their families to limit the exposure to covid. Children are in contact in schools with children who aren't as vigilant about preventing the spread, or mixed in with kids of Trump-supporting parents who've politicized preventative measures. Then, my kids go home and see my 84 year-old mother, who is vaccinated but at high risk should she contract covid.

    Your 84 year old grandma is vaccinated so whats the worry?
    I live in a red state and our children go to school without masks and yet covid isn't out of controll here, your Grandma is protected, if she gets it she should ask her doctor about Monoclonal antibodies in case she does get covid.
    Kids don't typically get or spread covid.
    New research from Israel finds that children up to age 9 have little to do with the spread of the coronavirus.
    Experts say this means reopening summer camps and in-person classroom instruction is a good idea, and the findings should reassure educators.
    Experts are split on whether young children need to wear masks to stay safe.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Trikester on Sat Dec 25 01:16:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Trikester to Arelor on Fri Dec 24 2021 09:18 am

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to K7elh on Fri Dec 24 2021 05:27 am

    Which is the reason why some doctors I know are saying that the jab makes sense after 52 years of age but that it is debatable at best before, and plain counterproductive for kids.

    Come on, Arelor, you honestly think that a message from a doc that says "52" a magic number, flying in the face of the recommendations everywhere, is a sensible outlying point?

    That's not the message being given anywhere sensible.


    52 is not a magic number, it is an inflection point (or rather, the estimation of that, given current data).

    For the record, this man got his specialty papers from a study of Cholarea epidemic management.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Dec 25 01:25:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Dec 24 2021 09:17 am

    Arelor wrote to K7elh <=-

    Which is the reason why some doctors I know are saying that the jab makes sense after 52 years of age but that it is debatable at best before, and plain counterproductive for kids.

    Those doctors must be living in a vacuum. Families have limited contact within their families to limit the exposure to covid. Children are in contact in schools with children who aren't as vigilant about preventing the spread, or mixed in with kids of Trump-supporting parents who've politicized preventative measures. Then, my kids go home and see my 84 year-old mother, who is vaccinated but at high risk should she contract covid.



    As I have said before, the Navarran Asociation of Pediatry has declared that the risk kids represent is pretty much overblown, and if you need 150 double jabs to prevent each single infection we can conclude that taking them is not something we should be counting on to stop spread.

    Which mostly means we should be deciding whether we take the jabs or not on pure selfish grounds - ie. is a given person better served by taking the jabs, or not?

    Jabs are no substitute for families having limited contact with the kids and self-isolating. A lot of people wants to get the jabs so they can be together with their family, but I think people who takes the jabs and acts as if they will be fine are extremely dangerous. Certain Spanish Autonomy has declared that they'd like to enforce mandatory jabs, but they are not going to because they have observed places in which such meassures are in effect have the people start acting recklessly and carelessly and end up screwing themselves up anyway.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Sat Dec 25 01:59:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to K7elh on Fri Dec 24 2021 01:54 pm


    Standard Leftie Tactic: Demand that you do their research for them (which isn't that surprising since they are completely incompetent).

    But the purpose of this is to pick and pick at your evidence. They have already decided that reality is something else. So providing the proof that they can get themselves is just an exercise in futility - and designed to wear you down.


    yeah i've seen that time and time again and i've fallen for it.
    nowadays i dont even get into heated arguments. i dont play the game.

    when it was heated on fb it was with people i actuall knew in real life, but still.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Dec 25 02:08:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Dec 24 2021 09:17 am

    Those doctors must be living in a vacuum. Families have limited contact within their families to limit the exposure to covid. Children are in contact in schools with children who aren't as vigilant about preventing the spread, or mixed in with kids of Trump-supporting parents who've politicized preventative measures. Then, my kids go home and see my 84 year-old mother, who is vaccinated but at high risk should she contract covid.



    i'm all aboard with tanking preventive measures.

    the problem is, if one place doesn't do their part, it all fails.
    we have hundreds of thousands of stores, businesses, workplaces, and schools not adhering to preventative standards and measures.

    so it's all for nothing.

    at my job now every week someone is getting this super contagious omnicron.
    we are supposed to be informed if we are close to that person. i've been close to every person that got it. nobody talked to me and recommended i get tested or pull me out.

    nobody.

    so that's happening en masse.

    human beings are too fucking stupid to fight a virus. with science or physically with preventative measures. we are too stupid to do it.
    liberals, conservatives, whatever. we are too stupid.

    instead we just argue about it.

    you have to be a weirdo like me to take preventative measures. you see the politicians out there preaching and then being caught at huge parties with masks off and no distancing.

    i was against it and i still stuck to the measures 100%.

    i dont think you did, i dont think anybody else did.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sat Dec 25 02:16:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Nightfox to Dr. What on Fri Dec 24 2021 10:43 pm

    Standard Leftie Tactic: Demand that you do their research for them (which isn't that surprising since they are completely incompetent).

    If you're going to make a claim about something, wouldn't the burn of proof be on you to provide something to back up your claim? "Just fucking Google it" isn't always helpful.

    you dont HAVE to. you can state an opinion.
    when i say vaccines dont work i say a little bit about it, but that's it.

    now we have vaccinated people getting covid and dying and spreading covid.
    we have vaccinated people dying of complications.

    at my workplace now, only the vaccinated people are getting omnicron. we people who had covid and have the antibodies are doing fine. every week someone gets it.
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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Nightfox on Sat Dec 25 04:11:00 2021
    Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-

    If you're going to make a claim about something, wouldn't the burn of proof be on you to provide something to back up your claim? "Just
    fucking Google it" isn't always helpful.

    Why do I need to prove that the sky is blue or that water is wet?

    People who are willfully ignorant are not teachable. So, like I said, it's a waste of my time and energy - which is his intent.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Denn on Sat Dec 25 04:17:00 2021
    Denn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Your 84 year old grandma is vaccinated so whats the worry?

    Because she's not "vaccinated". The COVID "vaccine" is not a vaccine.
    She can still get and spread COVID even after getting the jabs.

    The only potential benefit (if she doesn't get a bad side effect of the jabs) is that her immune system MAY be on alert, but only if she comes in contact with the "correct" COVID variation (which is doubtful today).

    And we are gaining even more evidence that the job-vax even suppresses natural immunity against COVID variations. That's why we are seeing more and more stories about COVID "outbrakes" among fully vaccinated groups.

    Kids don't typically get or spread covid.

    Yet Lefties keep crying "follow the science" and demand children get the jab.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Sat Dec 25 04:22:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Denn on Sat Dec 25 2021 09:17 am

    Because she's not "vaccinated". The COVID "vaccine" is not a vaccine.
    She can still get and spread COVID even after getting the jabs.

    The only potential benefit (if she doesn't get a bad side effect of the jabs) is that her immune system MAY be on alert, but only if she comes in contact with the "correct" COVID variation (which is doubtful today).


    luckily my antibodies seem to be working.
    there's a huge covid problem at my job. every couple of days someone's getting it.

    i believe i had covid last august. my nose was feeling weird like when i had covid but i still had a sense of smell so i took a binaxnow test today.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dr. What on Sat Dec 25 04:42:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Nightfox on Sat Dec 25 2021 09:11 am

    If you're going to make a claim about something, wouldn't the burn
    of proof be on you to provide something to back up your claim?
    "Just fucking Google it" isn't always helpful.

    Why do I need to prove that the sky is blue or that water is wet?

    Those things are hardly the same kind of thing.

    People who are willfully ignorant are not teachable.

    Sometimes there may just be something I might not have seen. If someone is unwilling to provide more information to support something they're claiming, then I'd consider it dubious until I find evidence to back up what they're saying.

    Nightfox

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Sat Dec 25 08:57:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Nightfox to Dr. What on Fri Dec 24 2021 10:43 pm

    And the actual science does not support the idea that EVERYONE needs
    to get the jab. The science shows that only a small percentage
    would benefit from it.

    And of course you have proof to back up this claim?

    Standard Leftie Tactic: Demand that you do their research for them
    (which isn't that surprising since they are completely
    incompetent).

    If you're going to make a claim about something, wouldn't the burn of proof be on you to provide something to back up your claim? "Just fucking Google it" isn't always helpful.

    It's like this, people like Biden, Pelosi etc.. always say "follow the science" they never tell you what that science is or where to find it thus putting the research on everyone else to prove them right or wrong.
    So no he can research just like we have to.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Sat Dec 25 09:05:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Dr. What on Sat Dec 25 2021 06:59 am

    Standard Leftie Tactic: Demand that you do their research for them
    (which isn't that surprising since they are completely incompetent).

    But the purpose of this is to pick and pick at your evidence. They
    have already decided that reality is something else. So providing the
    proof that they can get themselves is just an exercise in futility -
    and designed to wear you down.


    yeah i've seen that time and time again and i've fallen for it.
    nowadays i dont even get into heated arguments. i dont play the game.

    when it was heated on fb it was with people i actuall knew in real life, but still.

    you can not change the mind of a stupid liberal. they are not free thinkers.

    That's true, they get brainwashed in college to be a robot for the leftist cause and they can't think outside that box.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Denn on Sat Dec 25 08:20:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to Nightfox on Sat Dec 25 2021 01:57 pm

    If you're going to make a claim about something, wouldn't the burn
    of proof be on you to provide something to back up your claim?
    "Just fucking Google it" isn't always helpful.

    It's like this, people like Biden, Pelosi etc.. always say "follow the science" they never tell you what that science is or where to find it thus putting the research on everyone else to prove them right or wrong.
    So no he can research just like we have to.

    Seems like your argument is the leftists aren't sharing their evidence, so you aren't going to share either. I'm not sure that's a really strong argument.. If they're just going to say "follow the science", they aren't making it very easy. Be the change you want to see, and actually share the information. Help people learn what they need to know.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Sat Dec 25 09:15:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Dec 25 2021 07:08 am

    Those doctors must be living in a vacuum. Families have limited
    contact within their families to limit the exposure to covid. Children
    are in contact in schools with children who aren't as vigilant about
    preventing the spread, or mixed in with kids of Trump-supporting
    parents who've politicized preventative measures. Then, my kids go
    home and see my 84 year-old mother, who is vaccinated but at high risk
    should she contract covid.



    i'm all aboard with tanking preventive measures.
    human beings are too fucking stupid to fight a virus. with science or physically with preventative measures. we are too stupid to do it. liberals, conservatives, whatever. we are too stupid.

    instead we just argue about it.
    you have to be a weirdo like me to take preventative measures. you see the politicians out there preaching and then being caught at huge parties with masks off and no distancing.


    I only wear a mask when I go to the doctor, they make you wear it.
    I don't care who is vaccinated or not, when you see all these phoney politians breaking their own mask mandates and rules constantly you know they don't really give two shits about covid.
    Covid is real and the ones we need to protect are the elerly and those with medical issues, I know many people who got covid and recovered, only one died, he was older and in poor health.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dr. What on Sat Dec 25 09:25:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Denn on Sat Dec 25 2021 09:17 am

    Your 84 year old grandma is vaccinated so whats the worry?

    Because she's not "vaccinated". The COVID "vaccine" is not a vaccine.
    She can still get and spread COVID even after getting the jabs.

    Well they all call it a vaccine so for them to understand we need to play their game a little bit.
    the point is they push the shots and fear mongering, they should be focusing on things like monoclonal antibodies rather than jabbing everyone.
    They should focus on protecting those with pre existing conditions and the elderly as well.

    https://combatcovid.hhs.gov/possible-treatment-options-covid-19/monoclonal-anti bodies-high-risk-covid-19-positive-patients

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Sat Dec 25 09:27:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Nightfox to Dr. What on Sat Dec 25 2021 09:42 am

    If you're going to make a claim about something, wouldn't the burn
    of proof be on you to provide something to back up your claim?
    "Just fucking Google it" isn't always helpful.

    Why do I need to prove that the sky is blue or that water is wet?

    Those things are hardly the same kind of thing.

    People who are willfully ignorant are not teachable.

    Sometimes there may just be something I might not have seen. If someone is unwilling to provide more information to support something they're claiming, then I'd consider it dubious until I find evidence to back up what they're saying.

    Exactly, and that is called 'RESEARCH'

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sat Dec 25 09:32:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Saturday 25.12.21 - 09:22, MRO wrote to Dr. What:

    i believe i had covid last august. my nose was feeling weird like when i had covid but i still had a sense of smell so i took a binaxnow test
    today. -+-

    I suppose we'll hear from you within 3 days after your 2nd
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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Denn on Sat Dec 25 09:38:00 2021
    Covid is real and the ones we need to protect are the elerly and those with medical issues, I know many people who got covid and recovered,
    only one died, he was older and in poor health.

    I hear plenty of folks just like you, who haven't known anyone who's died from Covid.

    Then theres people like me, that know 2-3 people - pretty young too... 46... 55... 40; who I know of, and passed away directly from Covid. One guy, it was so sad too... one week he was posting anti-vax messages on Facebook - and the next week it was a gofundme; followed by his wife saying how much she loved him and why did he have to leave so quickly...

    And then theres even others; like my sister who's a minister... in her congregation, shes seen dozens pass. Directly and indirectly from Covid.

    Its a real beast; while I support people right to choose whether to take a vaccine or not, I wish that we'd all mitigate TOGETHER and try a bit harder at stomping the virus out with methods that we know work.

    I really wish the choice to vax or not wasn't so political. It has become so, in America. Sorry for jumping in - but some people do know friends and family who have died from Covid.



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to paulie420 on Sat Dec 25 13:15:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: paulie420 to Denn on Sat Dec 25 2021 02:38 pm

    Covid is real and the ones we need to protect are the elerly and those with medical issues, I know many people who got covid and recovered, only one died, he was older and in poor health.

    I hear plenty of folks just like you, who haven't known anyone who's died fr Covid.

    Then theres people like me, that know 2-3 people - pretty young too... 46... 55... 40; who I know of, and passed away directly from Covid. One guy, it wa so sad too... one week he was posting anti-vax messages on Facebook - and th next week it was a gofundme; followed by his wife saying how much she loved and why did he have to leave so quickly...

    And then theres even others; like my sister who's a minister... in her congregation, shes seen dozens pass. Directly and indirectly from Covid.

    Its a real beast; while I support people right to choose whether to take a vaccine or not, I wish that we'd all mitigate TOGETHER and try a bit harder stomping the virus out with methods that we know work.

    I really wish the choice to vax or not wasn't so political. It has become so in America. Sorry for jumping in - but some people do know friends and famil who have died from Covid.



    Well, social impact of COVID in Spain can be summarized as:

    "Wow, this is very bad. Of the three people who got it in this village, the three of them died from it. We really need to be careful with this shit. By the way, we are organizing an informal party after today's hay collection. If you bring wine you are invited!"

    Actual quote from actual conversation last year.

    It pisses me of _so much_.

    There is this idea that the virus is devastating and will kill us all, and thus we need the liberticide machinery of governments and corporations to stop it at any cost... and then the same people who says that deploying the Civil Guard for preventing people from traveling is necessary to prevent everybody's death... goes to a drunktard party with a hell of a lot of people with no security meassures whatsoever.

    WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?????

    The core issue here is that this people wants you to make sacrifices and deal with the Civil Guard and close your shop, but they don't want to change their lifestyle the least.

    It doesn't work that way.

    #

    The problem with methods known to work is that available data gets mangled quickly to the point you don't know what to believe. Returning to the Cholera Epidemy Doctor I mentioned earlier, one thing he used to say many, many years ago before COVID-19 was a thing, is that when shit hits the fan, data gets corrupted. He was specially concerned, back in the day, with death certificates which had the cause of death changed as for preventing panic (such as avoiding mentioning Cholera and recording diahorrea instead).

    If official records are liable of being falsified as for preventing panic, then you can bet anything else can be. And you can also bet there will be people trying to sell you diverse miracleous solutions for making a quick buck using whatever made up data they can get away with.

    A lot of laboratories as of late are coming up with very WTF ideas. I find this very concerning.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Sat Dec 25 14:00:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to MRO on Sat Dec 25 2021 02:15 pm


    I only wear a mask when I go to the doctor, they make you wear it.
    I don't care who is vaccinated or not, when you see all these phoney politians breaking their own mask mandates and rules constantly you know they don't really give two shits about covid.
    Covid is real and the ones we need to protect are the elerly and those with medical issues, I know many people who got covid and recovered, only one died, he was older and in poor health.


    i wear a mask all the time. the ones i got let me breathe nicely.

    i'm glad other people wear masks. i dont want to see their ugly faces or have them cough on me.

    i'm used to wearing these bullshit masks now.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sat Dec 25 14:01:00 2021
    Re: binaxnow
    By: Ogg to MRO on Sat Dec 25 2021 02:32 pm

    Hello MRO!

    ** On Saturday 25.12.21 - 09:22, MRO wrote to Dr. What:

    i believe i had covid last august. my nose was feeling weird like when i had covid but i still had a sense of smell so i took a binaxnow test today. -+-

    I suppose we'll hear from you within 3 days after your 2nd
    test!

    why do i need a 2nd test?

    I don't have it.
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  • From K7elh@VERT to MRO on Sat Dec 25 14:33:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to K7elh on Fri Dec 24 2021 12:57 pm

    Oh yeah? So, tell me, where is you get your PhD in immunobiology from?
    go back under your rock, loser drama queen.
    get over your bullshit.

    Oh so I guess this is how you respond when someone calls you on your BS huh?

    I don't know who you think I am, but I am niether a Drama Queen (I leave that to my 12 yr old Daughter) nor a Loser.

    So instead of just calling names, provide your 'facts'.

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  • From K7elh@VERT to Dr. What on Sat Dec 25 14:41:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to K7elh on Fri Dec 24 2021 01:54 pm

    And of course you have proof to back up this claim?
    Standard Leftie Tactic: Demand that you do their research for them (which isn't that surprising since they are completely incompetent).

    A 'leftie tactic'? How cute, did you come up with that all by yourself? And the fact that I didn't agree with you makes me a 'leftie'. I'm sure you've heard what happens when you assume, but you've already done that.


    But the purpose of this is to pick and pick at your evidence. They have already decided that reality is something else. So providing the proof that they can get themselves is just an exercise in futility - and designed to wear you down.

    I don't need anyone to do my research. I already have. The reason most people who believe the misinformation out there is that it is much easier to say you have proof than to actually PROVE it.

    I've decided reality is , well REALITY, not some made up wonderland where everything is what you want it to be.

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  • From K7elh@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Dec 25 14:44:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Fri Dec 24 2021 09:17 am

    Those doctors must be living in a vacuum. Families have limited contact within their families to limit the exposure to covid. Children are in contact in schools with children who aren't as vigilant about preventing the spread, or mixed in with kids of Trump-supporting parents who've politicized preventative measures. Then, my kids go home and see my 84 year-old mother, who is vaccinated but at high risk should she contract covid.
    Which makes perfect sense for those of us who actually give a shit about our fellow man.

    Most of these idiots would rather spit on your mothers grave than to actually have to wear an effing mask.

    Makes me so damn angry.

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  • From K7elh@VERT to MRO on Sat Dec 25 14:48:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Dr. What on Sat Dec 25 2021 06:59 am

    yeah i've seen that time and time again and i've fallen for it.
    nowadays i dont even get into heated arguments. i dont play the game.
    when it was heated on fb it was with people i actuall knew in real life, but still.
    you can not change the mind of a stupid liberal. they are not free thinkers.
    Wow, Not 'free thinkers'. That's rich coming from the same people who will believe everythign their favorite youtuber conspiracy talking head is saying.

    The irony is astounding....

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to all on Sat Dec 25 17:08:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: K7elh to MRO on Sat Dec 25 2021 07:48 pm

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Dr. What on Sat Dec 25 2021 06:59 am

    yeah i've seen that time and time again and i've fallen for it.
    nowadays i dont even get into heated arguments. i dont play the game. when it was heated on fb it was with people i actuall knew in real life, but still.
    you can not change the mind of a stupid liberal. they are not free thinkers.
    Wow, Not 'free thinkers'. That's rich coming from the same people who will believe everythign their favorite youtuber conspiracy talking head is saying.

    The irony is astounding....


    this guy is obviously a bad troll. just ignore him and he'll go away.
    he's trying to get attention no matter what.

    Don't reply to him. you'll just get his little dick hard.
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  • From K7elh@VERT/EOTSQWK to Denn on Sat Dec 25 14:53:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to K7elh on Fri Dec 24 2021 00:55:25

    Looks like kyle is back with a new name.

    Who the F is Kyle?

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Sat Dec 25 19:13:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Nightfox to Denn on Sat Dec 25 2021 01:20 pm

    If you're going to make a claim about something, wouldn't the burn
    of proof be on you to provide something to back up your claim?
    "Just fucking Google it" isn't always helpful.

    It's like this, people like Biden, Pelosi etc.. always say "follow
    the science" they never tell you what that science is or where to
    find it thus putting the research on everyone else to prove them
    right or wrong. So no he can research just like we have to.

    Seems like your argument is the leftists aren't sharing their evidence, so you aren't going to share either. I'm not sure that's a really strong argument.. If they're just going to say "follow the science", they aren't making it very easy. Be the change you want to see, and actually share the information. Help people learn what they need to know.

    Actually I have in the past but they never look at the links I post so that puts the burden back on them, I get what you're saying and it's logical but you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to paulie420 on Sat Dec 25 19:32:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: paulie420 to Denn on Sat Dec 25 2021 02:38 pm

    Covid is real and the ones we need to protect are the elerly and
    those with medical issues, I know many people who got covid and
    recovered, only one died, he was older and in poor health.

    I hear plenty of folks just like you, who haven't known anyone who's died from Covid.

    Then theres people like me, that know 2-3 people - pretty young too... 46... 55... 40; who I know of, and passed away directly from Covid. One guy, it was so sad too... one week he was posting anti-vax messages on Facebook - and the next week it was a gofundme; followed by his wife saying how much she loved him and why did he have to leave so quickly...

    There are real alternatives that have saved thousands, one such is the monoclonal antibodies infusions, If I get covid I will do that, already got vaxxed but the new strains are resistant to the vaxx.
    My Daughter in law just got the new varient from africa Omicron and she described it as a mild head cold, she is already pretty much over it without doing more than ibprofin.


    And then theres even others; like my sister who's a minister... in her congregation, shes seen dozens pass. Directly and indirectly from Covid.

    Its a real beast; while I support people right to choose whether to take a vaccine or not, I wish that we'd all mitigate TOGETHER and try a bit harder at stomping the virus out with methods that we know work.

    the Vaccine is not the only answer to covid, those who have had covid and fully recovered have better protection than the vaxxed, alternative treatments are proving to be very successful in the treatment of covid as well.

    I really wish the choice to vax or not wasn't so political. It has become so, in America. Sorry for jumping in - but some people do know friends and family who have died from Covid.

    and most of us understand that, we need to fight covid with all the available tools not just the vaccine.
    Jump in anytime, it's good to have dialog on this subject.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Sat Dec 25 19:42:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Denn on Sat Dec 25 2021 07:00 pm

    I only wear a mask when I go to the doctor, they make you wear it.
    I don't care who is vaccinated or not, when you see all these phoney
    politians breaking their own mask mandates and rules constantly you
    know they don't really give two shits about covid.

    i wear a mask all the time. the ones i got let me breathe nicely.

    i'm glad other people wear masks. i dont want to see their ugly faces or have them cough on me.

    You have a point there, ugly people should be forced to wear mask's all the time.
    OK Ugly people it was just a joke fuck!

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Sat Dec 25 19:45:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to all on Sat Dec 25 2021 10:08 pm

    yeah i've seen that time and time again and i've fallen for it.
    nowadays i dont even get into heated arguments. i dont play the
    game. when it was heated on fb it was with people i actuall knew in
    real life, but still.
    you can not change the mind of a stupid liberal. they are not free
    thinkers.
    Wow, Not 'free thinkers'. That's rich coming from the same people who
    will believe everythign their favorite youtuber conspiracy talking
    head is saying.

    The irony is astounding....


    this guy is obviously a bad troll. just ignore him and he'll go away.
    he's trying to get attention no matter what.

    I already twitlisted him so I won't even see what he posts.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Sun Dec 26 03:36:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to MRO on Sun Dec 26 2021 12:45 am


    this guy is obviously a bad troll. just ignore him and he'll go away. he's trying to get attention no matter what.

    I already twitlisted him so I won't even see what he posts.

    yeah he's a real try hard. it got pathetic quick.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Sun Dec 26 06:24:00 2021
    A lot of people wants to get the jabs so they can be together
    with their family, but I think people who takes the jabs and acts as if they will be fine are extremely dangerous.

    +1. I believe this is why several of the counties in my state with the highest percentage of vaxed residents also had some of the highest
    percentages of infections over the summer.


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sun Dec 26 06:31:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Saturday 25.12.21 - 19:01, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    i believe i had covid last august. my nose was feeling
    weird like when i had covid but i still had a sense of
    smell so i took a binaxnow test today. -+-

    I suppose we'll hear from you within 3 days after your 2nd
    test!

    why do i need a 2nd test?

    I don't have it.

    The binaxnow instructions I was reading said that TWO
    consecutive tests within a specified number of hours are
    needed.

    "6. How long should people wait between taking BinaxNOW Self
    Tests? --- The tests should be administered twice over three
    days with at least 36 hours between tests."

    https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/diagnostics-testing/ BinaxNOW-what-you-need-to-know.html



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sun Dec 26 06:41:00 2021
    Re: binaxnow
    By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Dec 26 2021 11:31 am


    The binaxnow instructions I was reading said that TWO
    consecutive tests within a specified number of hours are
    needed.

    "6. How long should people wait between taking BinaxNOW Self
    Tests? --- The tests should be administered twice over three
    days with at least 36 hours between tests."

    https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/diagnostics-testing/ BinaxNOW-what-you-need-to-know.html


    not really.

    i took it when i had covid and it said i was positive. i took the test when i didnt have it and it said i was negative.

    they are saying do 2 tests to cover their ass. and you might make more detectable virus later.

    i take 1 test once a week or so. that's more than most people.

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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Arelor on Sun Dec 26 07:35:00 2021
    The core issue here is that this people wants you to make sacrifices and deal with the Civil Guard and close your shop, but they don't want to change their lifestyle the least.

    I don't want anyone to shut down their businesses or even stop important things; such as the Christmas Holiday...

    I just want us all to be as intelligent as we can. I wish more people would get vaccinated and boosted (Or, fully vaccinated - basically.) - however I do respect peoples choice to NOT doso... just wish it wasn't such a politicized decision.

    I think we should all mask up when indoors, and that we should actually keep 6' of distance between people who aren't in our immediate homes/lives.

    If we, as a society - and with SOME # of folks who just decide NO - would
    just vax up... and mitigate... we wouldn't have to shut things down.



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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Denn on Sun Dec 26 07:52:00 2021
    There are real alternatives that have saved thousands, one such is the monoclonal antibodies infusions, If I get covid I will do that, already got vaxxed but the new strains are resistant to the vaxx.

    the Vaccine is not the only answer to covid, those who have had covid
    and fully recovered have better protection than the vaxxed, alternative treatments are proving to be very successful in the treatment of covid
    as well.

    and most of us understand that, we need to fight covid with all the available tools not just the vaccine.
    Jump in anytime, it's good to have dialog on this subject.

    I agree with everything you posted. I, also, have made sure those close to me know to ask for the monoclonal infusion if I ever need to goto the hospital - and not to wait till that option going away...

    I'm also watching the new Pfizer pill... and agree; the vaccine isn't even - I mean its NOT a perfect vaccine. But I want to use all the best tools that I can, and I think a lot of people are writing off the vaccine at a detriment to their health if and when they get COViD with zero protection what-so-ever.

    Thanks, cheers...



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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Sun Dec 26 07:38:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    luckily my antibodies seem to be working.
    there's a huge covid problem at my job. every couple of days someone's getting it.

    How do they know?

    The reason I ask is because the PCR tests are not accurate in any way. The other tests that I've encountered can't tell the difference between COVID and the flu. And hospitals have a financial incentive to diagnose someone has having COVID, so their "expert" opinion is questionable.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Denn on Sun Dec 26 07:42:00 2021
    Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Well they all call it a vaccine so for them to understand we need to
    play their game a little bit.

    I refuse to further their propaganda.

    the point is they push the shots and fear mongering, they should be focusing on things like monoclonal antibodies rather than jabbing everyone.

    Yup. And known proven treatments like ivermectin. But that doesn't make bug bucks for their Pharm buddied.

    They should focus on protecting those with pre existing conditions and the elderly as well.

    Which is what the actual medical experts said at the start of the scamdemic.

    But that won't cause fear and increase the power of the power hungry elites.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Sun Dec 26 07:47:00 2021
    MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    the problem is, if one place doesn't do their part, it all fails.
    we have hundreds of thousands of stores, businesses, workplaces, and schools not adhering to preventative standards and measures.

    That's because you can't prevent a virus. It's simply not possible. And we've known this from the start of the scamdemic.

    at my job now every week someone is getting this super contagious omnicron. we are supposed to be informed if we are close to that
    person. i've been close to every person that got it. nobody talked to
    me and recommended i get tested or pull me out.

    And omnicron is very mild. So it's an even more mild variant of an already mild virus. It's a nothing-burger and can be ignored.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Sun Dec 26 07:51:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Denn <=-

    i wear a mask all the time. the ones i got let me breathe nicely.

    Then it offers absolutely no protection and is nothing more than decoration.

    i'm glad other people wear masks. i dont want to see their ugly faces

    I guess I have to admit that masks have at least 1 positive benefit. 8)

    or have them cough on me.

    COVID or not, people shouldn't be doing that.

    i'm used to wearing these bullshit masks now.

    Never wore one. Never will wear one.


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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Arelor on Sun Dec 26 10:53:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Dec 25 2021 06:25 am

    As I have said before, the Navarran Asociation of Pediatry has declared that the risk kids represent is pretty much overblown,

    OK, hang on a sec - what is this association you're quoting? Maybe you quoted it before with more specifics, but I can't find any such association.

    This is something specific to Navarre, FL?

    Sorry, just not finding this group that you're stating made some claims, so am having trouble even beginning to find these references.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Dr. What on Sun Dec 26 10:56:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Nightfox on Sat Dec 25 2021 09:11 am

    Why do I need to prove that the sky is blue or that water is wet?
    People who are willfully ignorant are not teachable. So, like I said, it's a waste of my time and energy - which is his intent.

    Pretty much everything you say is in bad faith.

    1) Make a wild, nonsense claim with no sources.
    2) Tell anyone questioning it they need to "dO tHeIr ReSeaRcH!"
    3) Make up lame excuses when someone questions your tactics.

    Good arguments, pal! You're a real fountain of truth there.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to K7elh on Sun Dec 26 11:04:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: K7elh to Denn on Sat Dec 25 2021 07:53 pm

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to K7elh on Fri Dec 24 2021 00:55:25

    Looks like kyle is back with a new name.

    Who the F is Kyle?

    It's him and Dr. What's boogeyman of the moment. They seem to think some other guy, possibly myself, and now you (though if your call is actually K7ELH it's pretty easy to validate the name), are all this one Kyle person who dares question them.

    I don't know why they post, because they can't handle anyone questioning their horseshit.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Trikester on Mon Dec 27 22:13:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Trikester to Arelor on Sun Dec 26 2021 03:53 pm

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Dec 25 2021 06:25 am

    As I have said before, the Navarran Asociation of Pediatry has declared t the risk kids represent is pretty much overblown,

    OK, hang on a sec - what is this association you're quoting? Maybe you quote it before with more specifics, but I can't find any such association.

    This is something specific to Navarre, FL?

    Sorry, just not finding this group that you're stating made some claims, so having trouble even beginning to find these references.


    It is a Spanish group.

    http://www.anpenavarra.org/


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  • From HusTler@VERT/PHARCYDE to paulie420 on Mon Dec 27 22:46:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: paulie420 to Arelor on Sun Dec 26 2021 12:35 pm

    The core issue here is that this people wants you to make sacrifices and deal with the Civil Guard and close your shop, but they don't want to change their lifestyle the least.

    I wonder how bad this covid shit would have been back in the 70's and 80's with no internet and social networking? Maybe we should be counting our blessings eh? BBsin comes through again!



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to HusTler on Tue Dec 28 00:33:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: HusTler to paulie420 on Tue Dec 28 2021 03:46 am

    The core issue here is that this people wants you to make sacrifices an deal with the Civil Guard and close your shop, but they don't want to change their lifestyle the least.

    I wonder how bad this covid shit would have been back in the 70's and 80's with no internet and social networking? Maybe we should be counting our blessings eh? BBsin comes through again!


    You know, I hear similar ideas quite often regarding this and other crisis.

    The probelm with echo chambers is that they amplify panic.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CFBBS to Trikester on Tue Dec 28 03:31:00 2021
    Trikester wrote to Dr. What <=-

    You continue to have this strange idea that anyone cares about what you think/want/like.

    I can assure you that no one does.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Tue Dec 28 03:28:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Sun Dec 26 2021 12:38 pm

    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    luckily my antibodies seem to be working.
    there's a huge covid problem at my job. every couple of days someone's getting it.

    How do they know?

    The reason I ask is because the PCR tests are not accurate in any way. The other tests that I've encountered can't tell the difference between COVID and the flu. And hospitals have a financial incentive to diagnose someone has having COVID, so their "expert" opinion is questionable.


    they know because they came in contact with another person who had it and they were sick too.

    i think the pcr tests are accurate enough with the big outbreaks we are having. these people are sick with covid.

    I didn't have the flu in over 26 years and I got covid. covid was a totally different thing.

    I can tell if someone has covid just by the cough they might have.
    I've never seen a huge flu outbreak like this in any workplace.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Tue Dec 28 03:33:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Sun Dec 26 2021 12:47 pm

    MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    the problem is, if one place doesn't do their part, it all fails.
    we have hundreds of thousands of stores, businesses, workplaces, and schools not adhering to preventative standards and measures.

    That's because you can't prevent a virus. It's simply not possible. And we've known this from the start of the scamdemic.


    well theoretically we can defend against spread. but humans are too fucking stupid to do that.

    also you are calling it a scamdemic but my mother died of covid and she would have normally lived to be 80+ instead of dying at 62. the women in my family are very long lived despite having any medical problems. they are tough bitches. my great grandmother used to have stroke after stroke and they'd pick her off the floor the next day and she'd keep going on.

    person. i've been close to every person that got it. nobody talked to me and recommended i get tested or pull me out.

    And omnicron is very mild. So it's an even more mild variant of an already mild virus. It's a nothing-burger and can be ignored.


    I don't want to fucking get it. When i had covid it affected my memory and mental skills for a few months. i had to take my paid time off and used it up.

    i'm not going to ignore it and hang around some fucker with it.

    once this thing mutates so it has a higher kill rate, we are fucked. this virus is really contagious and not going away. letting idiots travel to africa and and other countries and bring it back here is not helping.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Tue Dec 28 03:35:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Sun Dec 26 2021 12:51 pm

    or have them cough on me.

    COVID or not, people shouldn't be doing that.

    there's the problem. happens all the time. it happened to me recently when i walked in a store. dude fucking coughed right in my face when walking out the door and emptied it in my face. if he had a mask on it wouldn't be as bad atleast.

    i'm used to wearing these bullshit masks now.

    Never wore one. Never will wear one.


    I honestly dont give a shit about the masks, just as long as i can breathe.
    we need consistancy, if we are going to try to get this virus to play out or whatever you want to call it.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Tue Dec 28 03:36:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to HusTler on Tue Dec 28 2021 05:33 am

    an deal with the Civil Guard and close your shop, but they don't want to change their lifestyle the least.

    I wonder how bad this covid shit would have been back in the 70's and 80's with no internet and social networking? Maybe we should be counting our blessings eh? BBsin comes through again!


    You know, I hear similar ideas quite often regarding this and other crisis.

    The probelm with echo chambers is that they amplify panic.

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  • From GiselleR@VERT/TRDRSBAY to MRO on Tue Dec 28 04:24:00 2021
    it happened to me recently when i walked in a store.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Tue Dec 28 05:01:00 2021
    Re: binaxnow
    By: MRO to Ogg on Sun Dec 26 2021 11:41 am

    The binaxnow instructions I was reading said that TWO
    consecutive tests within a specified number of hours are
    needed.

    "6. How long should people wait between taking BinaxNOW Self
    Tests? --- The tests should be administered twice over three
    days with at least 36 hours between tests."

    My Daughter in law has to take the test twice a week, last week she was posative
    lost her taste and smell, already has her taste back smell is starting to come back.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to paulie420 on Tue Dec 28 05:10:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: paulie420 to Arelor on Sun Dec 26 2021 12:35 pm

    The core issue here is that this people wants you to make sacrifices
    and deal with the Civil Guard and close your shop, but they don't
    want to change their lifestyle the least.

    I don't want anyone to shut down their businesses or even stop important things; such as the Christmas Holiday...

    I just want us all to be as intelligent as we can. I wish more people would get vaccinated and boosted (Or, fully vaccinated - basically.) - however I do respect peoples choice to NOT doso... just wish it wasn't such a politicized decision.

    I think we should all mask up when indoors, and that we should actually keep 6' of distance between people who aren't in our immediate homes/lives.

    6 feet social distancing has been proven ineffective, 12 to 20 feet has been proven to be effective.
    If you have the shot's then you shouldn't need to mask up unless you somehow still got covid.
    the viral load from infected people can hang in the air as a mist for a bit so the only purpose of the mask is to contain the viral load from infected people.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to paulie420 on Tue Dec 28 05:19:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: paulie420 to Denn on Sun Dec 26 2021 12:52 pm

    There are real alternatives that have saved thousands, one such is
    the monoclonal antibodies infusions, If I get covid I will do that,
    already got vaxxed but the new strains are resistant to the vaxx.
    the Vaccine is not the only answer to covid, those who have had
    and most of us understand that, we need to fight covid with all the
    available tools not just the vaccine.
    Jump in anytime, it's good to have dialog on this subject.

    I agree with everything you posted. I, also, have made sure those close to me know to ask for the monoclonal infusion if I ever need to goto the hospital - and not to wait till that option going away...

    I'm also watching the new Pfizer pill... and agree; the vaccine isn't even - I mean its NOT a perfect vaccine. But I want to use all the best tools that I can, and I think a lot of people are writing off the vaccine at a detriment to their health if and when they get COViD with zero protection what-so-ever.

    I got the shots and if I get covid will seek out monoclonal treatments imeadiatly, also I am excited about the pill as a possible good tool for fighting the virus.
    I'm lucky to be in a state where the Governer (Gov Cox of Utah) has set up monoclonal treatment centers here.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dr. What on Tue Dec 28 05:29:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Sun Dec 26 2021 12:51 pm

    i wear a mask all the time. the ones i got let me breathe nicely.

    Then it offers absolutely no protection and is nothing more than decoration.

    Well not exactly, it does contain ones viral load a little bit.

    i'm glad other people wear masks. i dont want to see their ugly
    faces

    I guess I have to admit that masks have at least 1 positive benefit. 8)

    Then we should lobby congress to institute a law that ugly people must wear a mask, Nancy Pelosi, Jerry Nadler, Adam Schiff they all need to wera one :)
    OK for those of you ready to blast me for this (It's a Joke) I know i'll get blowback on that.

    Never wore one. Never will wear one.

    I wear one when I see the my Doctor, but as soon as we get in the patient room we remove them.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Tue Dec 28 07:16:00 2021
    Re: binaxnow
    By: Denn to MRO on Tue Dec 28 2021 10:01 am


    My Daughter in law has to take the test twice a week, last week she was posative
    lost her taste and smell, already has her taste back smell is starting to come back.


    a good way to help that along is to get flonaise or something like that and squirt your nose once an hour
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Tue Dec 28 07:23:00 2021
    Re: binaxnow
    By: MRO to Denn on Tue Dec 28 2021 12:16 pm

    My Daughter in law has to take the test twice a week, last week she
    was posative
    lost her taste and smell, already has her taste back smell is starting
    to come back.


    a good way to help that along is to get flonaise or something like that and squirt your nose once an hour

    I think she uses that navage system to irregate her nasal cavaty.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Tue Dec 28 09:51:00 2021
    Re: binaxnow
    By: Denn to MRO on Tue Dec 28 2021 12:23 pm

    a good way to help that along is to get flonaise or something like that and squirt your nose once an hour

    I think she uses that navage system to irregate her nasal cavaty.


    that's not the same thing. flonaise has a steriod that helps the recovery.
    A guy told me about it and Once i started dosing myself i eventually got my smell back little by little.
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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Dr. What on Tue Dec 28 07:16:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Trikester on Tue Dec 28 2021 08:31 am

    You continue to have this strange idea that anyone cares about what you think/want/like.
    I can assure you that no one does.

    This is about the height of the response I'd expect from such a troll. Could you get any more toxic?

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to PAULIE420 on Tue Dec 28 11:50:00 2021
    I just want us all to be as intelligent as we can. I wish more people would get
    vaccinated and boosted (Or, fully vaccinated - basically.) - however I do respe
    t peoples choice to NOT doso... just wish it wasn't such a politicized decision

    My father got boosted before Thanksgiving. He started having symptoms and tested positive yesterday. Other than being older, he has no other
    underlying conditions. So far his symptoms are not severe.

    I think we should all mask up when indoors, and that we should actually keep 6'
    of distance between people who aren't in our immediate homes/lives.

    Agreed.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Tue Dec 28 12:23:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Dr. What on Tue Dec 28 2021 08:28 am

    i think the pcr tests are accurate enough with the big outbreaks we are having. the
    people are sick with covid.


    I have heard word from US authorities wanting to get rid of PCRs because they are not
    very reliable.

    What I have heard here is that their problem is they produce false positives. Still,
    the private hospitals I am familiar with are using PCR as their standard test.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Tue Dec 28 12:07:00 2021
    Re: binaxnow
    By: MRO to Denn on Tue Dec 28 2021 02:51 pm

    a good way to help that along is to get flonaise or something like
    that and squirt your nose once an hour

    I think she uses that navage system to irregate her nasal cavaty.


    that's not the same thing. flonaise has a steriod that helps the recovery. A guy told me about it and Once i started dosing myself i eventually got my smell back little by little.

    It's working for her, don't know if she uses flonaise or other nose remedies.

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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Denn on Tue Dec 28 13:53:00 2021
    6 feet social distancing has been proven ineffective, 12 to 20 feet has been proven to be effective.

    Then we should stay 12' apart, 20' when possible. In all public indoors spaces.

    If you have the shot's then you shouldn't need to mask up unless you somehow still got covid.

    Disagree - its for the protection of everyone, not just myself. For the other idiot who didn't get vaxxed.

    the viral load from infected people can hang in the air as a mist for a bit so the only purpose of the mask is to contain the viral load from infected people.

    Contains the 'viral load' from everyone who wears one.

    I think public indoors settings need masks.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Tue Dec 28 16:03:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to MRO on Tue Dec 28 2021 05:23 pm

    What I have heard here is that their problem is they produce false positives. Still, the private hospitals I am familiar with are using PCR as their standard test.


    it was reliable for me when i had it and when i didnt have it.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Tue Dec 28 16:04:00 2021
    Re: binaxnow
    By: Denn to MRO on Tue Dec 28 2021 05:07 pm


    that's not the same thing. flonaise has a steriod that helps the recovery. A guy told me about it and Once i started dosing myself i eventually got my smell back little by little.

    It's working for her, don't know if she uses flonaise or other nose remedies.


    it's actually depressing to lose one of your senses. I didn't realize how
    much i relied on my sense of smell.
    i took it for granted and when i was able to smell something again, i was so happy. it was cardboard!

    i was afraid i would be one of those people who'd never get it back.
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  • From K7elh@VERT/EOTSQWK to MRO on Tue Dec 28 14:23:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to all on Sat Dec 25 2021 22:08:47

    Wow, Not 'free thinkers'. That's rich coming from the same people who will believe everythign their favorite youtuber conspiracy talking head is saying.
    The irony is astounding....

    this guy is obviously a bad troll. just ignore him and he'll go away.
    he's trying to get attention no matter what.
    Don't reply to him. you'll just get his little dick hard.


    Well, I don't know why you think i'm just going to 'go away'. I'm not an attention hound. But it seems most people who bitch about their 'rights' and 'freedons' being trampled on are always looking for attention.

    It's really interesting because you could have easily NOT responded (like you advised others to do) but you did anyway. You just can't stand being called on your BS.

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  • From K7elh@VERT/EOTSQWK to MRO on Tue Dec 28 14:26:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Denn on Sun Dec 26 2021 08:36:32

    yeah he's a real try hard. it got pathetic quick.

    Yeah it did. As soon as I asked for proof, you just started the personal attacks.

    Typical.

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  • From K7elh@VERT/EOTSQWK to Dr. What on Tue Dec 28 14:37:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Denn on Sun Dec 26 2021 12:42:00

    Yup. And known proven treatments like ivermectin. But that doesn't make bug bucks for their Pharm buddied.

    Invermectin? Are you shitting me? That drug is made to fight ringworm and lice. The so-called 'study' is so ful of erroneous material, i'm surprised anyone can ready it. Believe what you want about the vaccines, but this shit is dangerous.

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  • From K7elh@VERT/EOTSQWK to Dr. What on Tue Dec 28 14:43:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Sun Dec 26 2021 12:47:00

    That's because you can't prevent a virus. It's simply not possible. And we've known this from the start of the scamdemic.
    And omnicron is very mild. So it's an even more mild variant of an already mild virus. It's a nothing-burger and can be ignored.

    Of course you can't stop a virus, but you can sure slow it down. If Covid could spread as fast as your so called 'information', there would be alot more dead. Omicron is less dangerous, but much more transmissable. But it still hits people with underlying conditions hard.

    A good friend of mine caught the Delta virus. It killed his mom and sent him and his brother into the hospital for 3 months apiece. His brother still has to use oxygen.

    Mild, sure it is...

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  • From K7elh@VERT/EOTSQWK to Trikester on Tue Dec 28 14:45:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Trikester to Arelor on Sun Dec 26 2021 15:53:58

    As I have said before, the Navarran Asociation of Pediatry has declared that the risk kids represent is pretty much overblown,
    OK, hang on a sec - what is this association you're quoting? Maybe you quoted it before with more specifics, but I can't find any such association. This is something specific to Navarre, FL?
    Sorry, just not finding this group that you're stating made some claims, so am having trouble even beginning to find these references.

    They just make this shit up half the time.

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  • From K7elh@VERT/EOTSQWK to Trikester on Tue Dec 28 14:48:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Trikester to Dr. What on Sun Dec 26 2021 15:56:46

    Why do I need to prove that the sky is blue or that water is wet?
    People who are willfully ignorant are not teachable. So, like I said, it's a waste of my time and energy - which is his intent.

    Mainly because you are trying to say that the sky is green and water is dry. You also prove ypour second point. You are willfully ignorant and not teachable.

    Pretty much everything you say is in bad faith.
    1) Make a wild, nonsense claim with no sources.
    2) Tell anyone questioning it they need to "dO tHeIr ReSeaRcH!"
    3) Make up lame excuses when someone questions your tactics.
    Good arguments, pal! You're a real fountain of truth there.

    I agree, he says that like it makes perfect sence. :D

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  • From K7elh@VERT/EOTSQWK to Trikester on Tue Dec 28 14:50:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Trikester to K7elh on Sun Dec 26 2021 16:04:23

    Who the F is Kyle?

    It's him and Dr. What's boogeyman of the moment. They seem to think some other guy, possibly myself, and now you (though if your call is actually K7ELH it's pretty easy to validate the name), are all this one Kyle person who dares question them.

    They must have extremely low self esteem or no friends. They need to feel persecuted? And yes it is my callsign.




    I don't know why they post, because they can't handle anyone questioning their horseshit.

    I noticed. They just start trying to make diparaging remarks when questioned.

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  • From K7elh@VERT/EOTSQWK to Dr. What on Tue Dec 28 14:52:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Trikester on Tue Dec 28 2021 08:31:00

    You continue to have this strange idea that anyone cares about what you think/want/like.

    I can assure you that no one does.

    And I can most assuredly say the same thing about your wants/desires/likes!

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to paulie420 on Tue Dec 28 19:49:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: paulie420 to Denn on Tue Dec 28 2021 06:53 pm

    6 feet social distancing has been proven ineffective, 12 to 20 feet
    has been proven to be effective.

    Then we should stay 12' apart, 20' when possible. In all public indoors spaces.

    If you have the shot's then you shouldn't need to mask up unless you
    somehow still got covid.

    Disagree - its for the protection of everyone, not just myself. For the other idiot who didn't get vaxxed.

    I know a lot of unvaxxed people, I know many who got covid and got better,
    We really need to focus on the elderly and those with serious health problems, those who don't want to get vaxxed have reasons, usually the side effects wich I my self suffered from the shots.
    My side effects were an enlarged heart and Kidney failure wich I now take meds for both heart and kidney.
    Here in Utah we're not required to mask up except in medical facilities and some private companies and yet those states with restrictive mask mandates fair worse in most cases than my state.
    So IMHO the choice to get the shots or not should be a personal matter.
    I guess on this we can just agree to dis agree.

    the viral load from infected people can hang in the air as a mist
    for a bit so the only purpose of the mask is to contain the viral
    load from infected people.

    Contains the 'viral load' from everyone who wears one.

    What I mean is say someone has covid out in public if they wear a mask it will help to contain their viral load.

    I think public indoors settings need masks.

    I disagree, our shcool's here do not have a mask mandate yet we're doing just fine.
    My company at this point require un vaxxed people only to wear a mask.
    We have a low covid rate.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Tue Dec 28 19:53:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Arelor on Tue Dec 28 2021 09:03 pm

    What I have heard here is that their problem is they produce false
    positives. Still, the private hospitals I am familiar with are using
    PCR as their standard test.


    it was reliable for me when i had it and when i didnt have it.

    There are a lot of false posatives.
    and there are also cases were the person has covid but the test comes back negative.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Tue Dec 28 19:57:00 2021
    Re: binaxnow
    By: MRO to Denn on Tue Dec 28 2021 09:04 pm

    that's not the same thing. flonaise has a steriod that helps the
    recovery. A guy told me about it and Once i started dosing myself
    i eventually got my smell back little by little.

    It's working for her, don't know if she uses flonaise or other nose
    remedies.


    it's actually depressing to lose one of your senses. I didn't realize how much i relied on my sense of smell.
    i took it for granted and when i was able to smell something again, i was so happy. it was cardboard!

    I can understand that, last year when I fell and hit my head on concrete I lost my balance and had a severe concusion, Had 4 months of physical therapy, was really happy to get that back.

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  • From Kek@VERT/AMIGAC to Denn on Tue Dec 28 19:47:00 2021
    Re: binaxnow
    By: Denn to MRO on Tue Dec 28 2021 10:01:09

    Re: binaxnow
    By: MRO to Ogg on Sun Dec 26 2021 11:41 am

    The binaxnow instructions I was reading said that TWO
    consecutive tests within a specified number of hours are
    needed.

    "6. How long should people wait between taking BinaxNOW Self
    Tests? --- The tests should be administered twice over three
    days with at least 36 hours between tests."

    My Daughter in law has to take the test twice a week, last week she was posative
    lost her taste and smell, already has her taste back smell is starting to come back.

    ... Despite the rising cost of living, it still remains popular!


    thanks

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  • From Kek@VERT/AMIGAC to Denn on Tue Dec 28 19:49:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to paulie420 on Tue Dec 28 2021 10:10:44

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: paulie420 to Arelor on Sun Dec 26 2021 12:35 pm

    The core issue here is that this people wants you to make sacrifices
    and deal with the Civil Guard and close your shop, but they don't
    want to change their lifestyle the least.

    I don't want anyone to shut down their businesses or even stop important things; such as the Christmas Holiday...

    I just want us all to be as intelligent as we can. I wish more people would get vaccinated and boosted (Or, fully vaccinated - basically.) - however I do respect peoples choice to NOT doso... just wish it wasn't such a politicized decision.

    I think we should all mask up when indoors, and that we should actually keep 6' of distance between people who aren't in our immediate homes/lives.

    6 feet social distancing has been proven ineffective, 12 to 20 feet has been proven to be effective.
    If you have the shot's then you shouldn't need to mask up unless you somehow still got covid.
    the viral load from infected people can hang in the air as a mist for a bit so the only purpose of the mask is to contain the viral load from infected people.

    ... Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.

    lets fix it together!

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  • From kek@VERT/ECBBS to Denn on Wed Dec 29 06:02:00 2021
    Re: binaxnow
    By: Kek to Denn on Wed Dec 29 2021 00:47:52

    boring

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  • From Kek@VERT/AMIGAC to Denn on Tue Dec 28 22:58:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to Dr. What on Tue Dec 28 2021 10:29:55

    i wear a mask all the time. the ones i got let me breathe nicely.
    that's what the mask is
    hat's what the point of the mask is

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Wed Dec 29 03:36:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    they know because they came in contact with another person who had it
    and they were sick too.

    That's not enough to prove that you are infected. It only shows that you MAY be infected.

    i think the pcr tests are accurate enough with the big outbreaks we are having. these people are sick with covid.

    The PCR tests have been proven to be very inaccurate and the creator of the test has spoken out about it. A PCR test cannot show that you are infected with COVID.

    I can tell if someone has covid just by the cough they might have.
    I've never seen a huge flu outbreak like this in any workplace.

    I would not surprise me if most of those people didn't get a flu shot this year like they usually do.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Wed Dec 29 03:47:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    well theoretically we can defend against spread.

    Yes, in theory. But we need to go out to do things (like get food).

    Even then, at best, it can only slow down the spread and not eliminate it.

    also you are calling it a scamdemic but my mother died of covid and she would have normally lived to be 80+ instead of dying at 62.

    You've fallen for the Leftie Narrative.

    The Left take a fact (ex: COVID exists) and wrap a false Narrative around it. When people point out the Narrative is false, they point to the fact and label those people "deniers", "conspiracists", etc.

    I call it a "scamdemic" not because I think COVID doesn't exist, but because COVID isn't nearly the problem that the Narrative makes it out to be.

    The WHO/CDC had to change the definition of "pandemic" to match COVID (just like they changed the definition of "vaccine").

    We know who the at risk people are and we have known theraputics. But the Leftie Elites blocked doctors from doing their jobs. In Michigan and Yew York, the governors knowingly put COVID infected people into nursing homes and blocked the uses of known theraputics like Ivermectin.

    I don't want to fucking get it. When i had covid it affected my memory
    and mental skills for a few months. i had to take my paid time off and used it up.

    If you already got it, you are immune. Continuing to live in fear means you fell for the Narrative.

    once this thing mutates so it has a higher kill rate, we are fucked.

    Viruses don't do that. Things like viruses exist to make more viruses. That's hard to do when you kill off the hosts that you need. Viruses ALWAYS mutate to be LESS lethal. Just like Omicron.

    Doctors have been saying this for a long time now. But the Elites need to keep the fear alive with "Omicron's going to kill us all!" when exactly the opposite is true.

    this virus is really contagious and not going away.

    That's right. Just like the common cold and flu. But we don't live in fear of those.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Wed Dec 29 03:51:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    there's the problem. happens all the time. it happened to me recently when i walked in a store. dude fucking coughed right in my face when walking out the door and emptied it in my face.

    The percentage of childish/rude people has been growing for a long time now due to bad schools and parenting.

    if he had a mask on it wouldn't be as bad atleast.

    It wouldn't have done a thing.

    I honestly dont give a shit about the masks, just as long as i can breathe.

    If you can breathe through it, the mask is nothing more than a fashion accessory and it worthless.

    we need consistancy, if we are going to try to get this virus
    to play out or whatever you want to call it.

    What we need is for the ignorant Elites to stop playing politics and thinking that they know more than doctors and get out of the way.

    "Consistency" is the last thing we need. It's just another word for "conformity".


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to K7elh on Wed Dec 29 03:57:00 2021
    K7elh wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Invermectin? Are you shitting me? That drug is made to fight ringworm
    and lice.

    *LAUGH* You need to get your "information" from someplace other than CNN.

    Ivermectin is a Nobel Prize winning medication created for human use that was found to be useful for animals as well.

    And the most populated region of India has been declared "COVID free" through the use of Ivermectin.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Wed Dec 29 03:37:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to MRO on Wed Dec 29 2021 12:53 am


    it was reliable for me when i had it and when i didnt have it.

    There are a lot of false posatives.
    and there are also cases were the person has covid but the test comes back negative.


    All i can say is it worked for me and it's working for the people they test in my workplace. these fuckers are getting it.

    maybe the issues you were talking about were human error.
    maybe last year they were trying to drive up the case amounts. I heard of people not showing up and then being notified they have covid.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Wed Dec 29 05:43:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Wed Dec 29 2021 08:36 am


    they know because they came in contact with another person who had it and they were sick too.

    That's not enough to prove that you are infected. It only shows that you MAY be infected.


    they were sick and they had covid.

    The PCR tests have been proven to be very inaccurate and the creator of the test has spoken out about it. A PCR test cannot show that you are infected with COVID.

    it showed it when i had covid. it showed it when i didnt have covid.

    I can tell if someone has covid just by the cough they might have.
    I've never seen a huge flu outbreak like this in any workplace.

    I would not surprise me if most of those people didn't get a flu shot this year like they usually do.



    all i know is they have covid and they are sick with covid and they tested sick with covid.

    i take a test about every week. i've been taking those binax now tests.
    it said i had covid when i had it. it said i didnt have covid when i didnt.

    what more do you want?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Wed Dec 29 05:46:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Wed Dec 29 2021 08:47 am

    also you are calling it a scamdemic but my mother died of covid and she would have normally lived to be 80+ instead of dying at 62.

    You've fallen for the Leftie Narrative.

    dont give me that bullshit.

    i dont listen to any of that shit.

    my mother wouldn't have died if she didnt have covid.
    that's a fucking fact. like i said, all the women in my family live to be OLD. 62 isnt old. my mother didnt even have a wrinkle.

    this virus is really contagious and not going away.

    That's right. Just like the common cold and flu. But we don't live in

    fear
    of those.


    no, covid isnt like the common cold and flu. it's a pretty shitty virus they cooked up. i never had something take way one of my senses for a month and
    fuck up my mind for 2 months.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Wed Dec 29 05:47:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Wed Dec 29 2021 08:51 am

    The percentage of childish/rude people has been growing for a long time now due to bad schools and parenting.

    if he had a mask on it wouldn't be as bad atleast.

    It wouldn't have done a thing.



    whatever dude. i'd rather he be wearing a mask.
    better than nothing.


    "Consistency" is the last thing we need. It's just another word for "conformity".


    we need to come up with a plan that works and stick with it. we cant do that as human beings. we are too stupid.
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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to K7elh on Wed Dec 29 03:31:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: K7elh to Trikester on Tue Dec 28 2021 07:48 pm

    Why do I need to prove that the sky is blue or that water is wet? People who are willfully ignorant are not teachable. So, like I said, it's a waste of my time and energy - which is his
    intent.
    Mainly because you are trying to say that the sky is green and water is dry. You also prove ypour second point. You are
    willfully ignorant and not teachable.

    To be clear, I believe that's in reference to Dr. What's comments.

    Pretty much everything you say is in bad faith.
    1) Make a wild, nonsense claim with no sources.
    2) Tell anyone questioning it they need to "dO tHeIr ReSeaRcH!"
    3) Make up lame excuses when someone questions your tactics.
    Good arguments, pal! You're a real fountain of truth there.

    I agree, he says that like it makes perfect sence. :D

    His response to my comments are a pretty clear indicator that he's an abusive personality. He basically suggests anyone with a differing opinion has no value, which I suppose says more than enough about him.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to K7elh on Wed Dec 29 03:42:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: K7elh to Trikester on Tue Dec 28 2021 07:50 pm

    Who the F is Kyle?
    It's him and Dr. What's boogeyman of the moment. They seem to think some other guy, possibly myself, and now you (though if
    your
    call is actually K7ELH it's pretty easy to validate the name), are all this one Kyle person who dares question them.

    They must have extremely low self esteem or no friends. They need to feel persecuted? And yes it is my callsign.

    I think DARVO fits fairly well. (I wasn't aware there was an acronym for this until fairly recently)

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  • From Thumper@VERT/THEWASTE to Dumas Walker on Wed Dec 29 05:06:00 2021
    Dumas Walker wrote to PAULIE420 <=-

    I just want us all to be as intelligent as we can. I wish more people would get

    vaccinated and boosted (Or, fully vaccinated - basically.) - however I do respe

    t peoples choice to NOT doso... just wish it wasn't such a politicized decision


    My father got boosted before Thanksgiving. He started having symptoms
    and tested positive yesterday. Other than being older, he has no other underlying conditions. So far his symptoms are not severe.

    I think we should all mask up when indoors, and that we should actually keep 6'

    of distance between people who aren't in our immediate homes/lives.

    My Parents got there's about that time also. A few days ago my Dad started feeling bad, scratchy throat, congestion, etc. Them my Sister started having the same thing. Last night my Dad collapsed and was rushed by Ambulance to the hospital. About an hour later so was my Sister. So far tests on Dad are negative and they say maybe a severe flu. They are isolating him and treating him like he has Covid though out of precaution. No news on my Sister yet....


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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Dr. What on Wed Dec 29 04:01:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to K7elh on Wed Dec 29 2021 08:57 am

    Invermectin? Are you shitting me? That drug is made to fight ringworm and lice.
    *LAUGH* You need to get your "information" from someplace other than CNN.

    Are you able to comprehend that the world isn't left vs. right Americans? You seem to struggle with being able to hold a conversation without going all 'leftie-tourettes' on everyone.

    CNN is irrelevant. Do you believe every news source that contradicts misinformation is CNN? That's an incredibly simplistic view.

    Ivermectin is a Nobel Prize winning medication created for human use that was found to be useful for animals as well.
    Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic only shown effective in a couple of very specific cases of treating... yes, you got it, parasites! If Ivermectin had any efficacy doing anything else, don't you think Merck wouldn't want to jump all over it and sell it for those purposes? Must be a big coverup-conspiracy that benefits nobody.

    Merck specifically states that there is no meaningful evidence to show it's efficacy with COVID. They haven't changed their stance on this since they published that in early 2021.

    And the most populated region of India has been declared "COVID free" through the use of Ivermectin.

    Get real.

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  • From Limping Ninja@VERT/CAPSHRIL to Trikester on Wed Dec 29 11:47:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Trikester to Dr. What on Wed Dec 29 2021 09:01 am

    Are you able to comprehend that the world isn't left vs. right Americans?

    Most of these people are not even aware there is anything outside of the scope of their echo chamber and assume the world beyond is some abstract war of left vs right supremacy. Sadly there isn't much to do for these people, just put them on a universal twit filter.

    I moved from the US and live in Europe now (yes, the evil EU conglomerate to those people), but man -- it is refreshing to be here, even if looking back at the US is like a big bowl of "what the fuck".

    Read some Q post the other day, person lost his job, wife, kids, house --- but was OK with that, until Trump said the vaccine was real; dude said that until that moment it had all been worth it, waiting for JFK Jr. and drinking the Q-ewlAid. Imagine being that in love, that devoted, and so absolutely fucking confused in reality. I am starting to think it is the preservatives in the food or something.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Wed Dec 29 16:13:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Denn on Wed Dec 29 2021 08:37 am

    it was reliable for me when i had it and when i didnt have it.

    There are a lot of false posatives.
    and there are also cases were the person has covid but the test comes
    back negative.


    All i can say is it worked for me and it's working for the people they test in my workplace. these fuckers are getting it.

    maybe the issues you were talking about were human error.

    the PCR test does get false posatives but reading up on it, it seems to be pretty good at detecting covid, I heard there is a newer more reliable test comming in January.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Thumper on Wed Dec 29 12:56:00 2021
    Thumper wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    My father got boosted before Thanksgiving. He started having symptoms
    and tested positive yesterday. Other than being older, he has no other underlying conditions. So far his symptoms are not severe.

    My Parents got there's about that time also. A few days ago my Dad started feeling bad, scratchy throat, congestion, etc. Them my Sister started having the same thing. Last night my Dad collapsed and was
    rushed by Ambulance to the hospital. About an hour later so was my
    Sister. So far tests on Dad are negative and they say maybe a severe
    flu. They are isolating him and treating him like he has Covid though
    out of precaution. No news on my Sister yet....

    I hope that things turn out well for him and your sister. My father is
    getting an infusion tomorrow or Friday. His started out with bad
    congestion and fatigue.



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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Denn on Wed Dec 29 15:49:00 2021
    So IMHO the choice to get the shots or not should be a personal matter.
    I guess on this we can just agree to dis agree.

    Oh, no you misheard that one - I agree that people should, do and shouldn't be punished for the vax choice they make.

    those who don't want to get vaxxed have reasons,
    usually the side effects wich I my self suffered from the shots.

    I disagree here - MOST people who don't want to get vaxxed only doso because 'screw libtards' and political reasons. Most...



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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Trikester on Thu Dec 30 12:56:00 2021
    Trikester wrote to Dr. What <=-

    @MSGID: <61CC945D.1872.dove-general@basement.isurf.ca>
    @REPLY: <61CC6A98.55775.dove-general@dmine.net>
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to K7elh on
    Wed Dec 29 2021 08:57 am

    Invermectin? Are you shitting me? That drug is made to
    fight ringworm and lice.
    *LAUGH* You need to get your "information" from someplace other than CNN.

    Are you able to comprehend that the world isn't left vs. right
    Americans? You seem to struggle with being able to hold a conversation without going all 'leftie-tourettes' on everyone.

    CNN is irrelevant. Do you believe every news source that contradicts misinformation is CNN? That's an incredibly simplistic view.

    Ivermectin is a Nobel Prize winning medication created for human use that
    was
    found to be useful for animals as well.
    Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic only shown effective in a couple of
    very specific cases of treating... yes, you got it, parasites! If Ivermectin had any efficacy doing anything else, don't you think Merck wouldn't want to jump all over it and sell it for those purposes? Must
    be a big coverup-conspiracy that benefits nobody.

    Merck specifically states that there is no meaningful evidence to show it's efficacy with COVID. They haven't changed their stance on this
    since they published that in early 2021.

    And the most populated region of India has been declared "COVID free"
    through
    the use of Ivermectin.

    Get real.

    Do you really believe that big pharma companies have no other motive than to get the most effective treatment at the best value for the customer?

    It costs money to do the trials, to perform the registration, and for a drug which you cannot patent, it may not be worth it in the end. Show Ivermectin to be effective, and watch everyone else undercut them with generics.

    It is very, very clear that there is a narrative out there which is pushing vaccines as *THE* solution. Not that I'm against people taking it, but many who are towing the narrative seem resistant to even admit there could be, may need to be, other ways to treat people. I find it sus that only those which are profitable to big Pharma, are the ones we can talk about.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Thu Dec 30 00:43:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to MRO on Wed Dec 29 2021 09:13 pm

    and there are also cases were the person has covid but the test comes
    back negative.


    All i can say is it worked for me and it's working for the people they test in my workplace. these fuckers are getting it.

    maybe the issues you were talking about were human error.

    the PCR test does get false posatives but reading up on it, it seems to be pretty good at detecting covid, I heard there is a newer more reliable test comming in January.

    maybe there's defective tests. i gave a test to the woman i live with last night and the whole bottom half turned purple and stayed that way for quite a while. she was exposed to someone with it the last couple of days. eventually it got really faint and i have to give her another test to find out for sure.


    the problem is this dickwad she got it from went to a packer game on christmas when there's tons of people there. why even do that when covid is running rampant. I'm not scared of dying , i just dont want to get sick and use up my sick days at work. it's more of an annoyance.
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  • From HusTler@VERT/PHARCYDE to Arelor on Thu Dec 30 01:29:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to HusTler on Tue Dec 28 2021 05:33 am

    I wonder how bad this covid shit would have been back in the 70's and
    80's with no internet and social networking? Maybe we should be counting
    You know, I hear similar ideas quite often regarding this and other crisis.

    The probelm with echo chambers is that they amplify panic.

    Maybe a little panic would be a good thing. Perhaps more people would get vaxed. Then again..probly not.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Thu Dec 30 02:08:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: HusTler to Arelor on Thu Dec 30 2021 06:29 am

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to HusTler on Tue Dec 28 2021 05:33 am

    I wonder how bad this covid shit would have been back in the 70's and 80's with no internet and social networking? Maybe we should be counting
    You know, I hear similar ideas quite often regarding this and other crisis.

    The probelm with echo chambers is that they amplify panic.

    Maybe a little panic would be a good thing. Perhaps more people would get vaxed. Then again..probly not.


    don't you think enough panic has gone on since covid? my friend blew his brains out and i know of other suicides.

    apparently you still get sick and spread covid with the vaccine, so what good is it.
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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Thu Dec 30 03:15:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    all i know is they have covid and they are sick with covid and they
    tested sick with covid.

    i take a test about every week. i've been taking those binax now tests.
    it said i had covid when i had it. it said i didnt have covid when i didnt.

    what more do you want?

    Nothing. If that's how you want to live your life, that's your business.

    I simply wanted to inform you that you are living a lie. If you want to ignore that, that's your choice.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Thu Dec 30 03:20:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    we need to come up with a plan that works and stick with it. we cant do that as human beings. we are too stupid.

    When the scamdemic started, we had a plan. The medical professionals looked at things and said it's a virus and there's only 1 way through it:

    1. Let the virus run its course.
    2. Ramp up the normal things we do during cold and flu season (wash hands, stay home if sick, etc.).
    3. For the very small percentage that will get really sick and need hospitalization, use the known theraputics.
    4. Accept the fact that some people will die - as happens every year during cold and flu season.

    And the "leaders" that we have did the exact OPPOSITE, politicized COVID in order to seize more power for themselves, and killed even more people than COVID would have if they had listened to the actual experts.


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  • From Otto Reverse@VERT/BEERS20 to paulie420 on Thu Dec 30 00:58:00 2021
    those who don't want to get vaxxed have reasons,
    usually the side effects wich I my self suffered from the shots.

    I disagree here - MOST people who don't want to get vaxxed only doso because 'screw libtards' and political reasons. Most...

    My (anecdotal) take on it in my region is the 30's and under don't want it because they don't need it (the healthy ones) so why take something so new. The 40+ are a mix of "why take something new", "don't need it", and "don't tell me what to do". The latter isn't "screw libtards" here (Canada) because we have a mixture of left and right leaning provincial governments who all have the same message regarding vaccines (and mandates and passports). It is political, but not left/right, rather it is authoritarian vs freedom of choice.
  • From Otto Reverse@VERT/BEERS20 to Boraxman on Thu Dec 30 01:01:00 2021
    It is very, very clear that there is a narrative out there which is pushin vaccines as *THE* solution. Not that I'm against people taking it, but ma who are towing the narrative seem resistant to even admit there could be, need to be, other ways to treat people. I find it sus that only those whi are profitable to big Pharma, are the ones we can talk about.

    That is the exact situation in my and Trikesters country (Canada) too. The vaccines are the only solution.

    That narrative will change though. Merck's new anti-viral therapeutic is being produced in 3 plants world-wide, one of which is in Canada. So whenever that production gets in full swing I expect it will be included as one of only two acceptable solutions.
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Thu Dec 30 03:26:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Thu Dec 30 2021 08:15 am

    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    all i know is they have covid and they are sick with covid and they tested sick with covid.

    i take a test about every week. i've been taking those binax now tests. it said i had covid when i had it. it said i didnt have covid when i didnt.

    what more do you want?

    Nothing. If that's how you want to live your life, that's your business.

    I simply wanted to inform you that you are living a lie. If you want to ignore that, that's your choice.


    oh i am living a lie,huh?

    When i was sick with covid, i took the covid test and it said i was positive. when i took the test and it said i was negative it ended up that i was not sick.

    so what i'm living is personal experience and factual.

    I'm not ignoring anything. I'm just stating that my personal experience is that the tests have been accurate for my own use.
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  • From Thumper@VERT/THEWASTE to Dumas Walker on Thu Dec 30 03:15:00 2021
    Dumas Walker wrote to Thumper <=-

    Thumper wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    My father got boosted before Thanksgiving. He started having symptoms
    and tested positive yesterday. Other than being older, he has no other underlying conditions. So far his symptoms are not severe.

    My Parents got there's about that time also. A few days ago my Dad started feeling bad, scratchy throat, congestion, etc. Them my Sister started having the same thing. Last night my Dad collapsed and was
    rushed by Ambulance to the hospital. About an hour later so was my
    Sister. So far tests on Dad are negative and they say maybe a severe
    flu. They are isolating him and treating him like he has Covid though
    out of precaution. No news on my Sister yet....

    I hope that things turn out well for him and your sister. My father is getting an infusion tomorrow or Friday. His started out with bad congestion and fatigue.

    That is exactly what they started with. Now it's in his chest with a lot of wheezing but getting better. Took 2 days for a room to open up at Kaiser and he's finally out of the Emergency Room. It appears they will keep him for a few days and have him on fluids, antibiotics, etc. Sister is back home but still bad. They are saying it is a very strong Flu....




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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to LIMPING NINJA on Thu Dec 30 05:46:00 2021
    Read some Q post the other day, person lost his job, wife, kids, house --- but
    as OK with that, until Trump said the vaccine was real; dude said that until t
    t moment it had all been worth it, waiting for JFK Jr. and drinking the Q-ewlA
    . Imagine being that in love, that devoted, and so absolutely fucking confused
    n reality. I am starting to think it is the preservatives in the food or somet
    ng.

    Why waste your time reading Q posts if you are so happy with your situation now? I sure don't waste my time on that crap.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to PAULIE420 on Thu Dec 30 05:53:00 2021
    those who don't want to get vaxxed have reasons,
    usually the side effects wich I my self suffered from the shots.

    I disagree here - MOST people who don't want to get vaxxed only doso because '
    rew libtards' and political reasons. Most...

    My father's wife's family may have some of those reasons, but they also
    seem to be anti-vax in general. One of the daughters believes that
    one/some of the other childhood vaxes led to a couple of her kids having emotional and/or developmental issues, like the people who believe that
    vaxes cause autism.

    I suspect that, if their politics were different, their other reasons would still remain and they would still not be vaxed.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to paulie420 on Thu Dec 30 07:09:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: paulie420 to Denn on Wed Dec 29 2021 08:49 pm

    I disagree here - MOST people who don't want to get vaxxed only doso because 'screw libtards' and political reasons. Most...


    The Institute of Statistics here says it is because people doesn't trust vaccines rushed into the market, think the vaccines are a moneymaking scheme, or think they are harmful. Those were the top reasons listed, and were faaaaaar above in popularity to the next ones (refusing to believe the virus exists, thinking infection is too unlikely to bother with vaccination).

    Systematic anti-vaccinators (religious reasons, people who distrust every vaccine and not these ones) were close to the bottom in the list.

    That is from the top of my head.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to HusTler on Thu Dec 30 07:11:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: HusTler to Arelor on Thu Dec 30 2021 06:29 am

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to HusTler on Tue Dec 28 2021 05:33 am

    I wonder how bad this covid shit would have been back in the 70's and 80's with no internet and social networking? Maybe we should be countin
    You know, I hear similar ideas quite often regarding this and other crisi

    The probelm with echo chambers is that they amplify panic.

    Maybe a little panic would be a good thing. Perhaps more people would get vaxed. Then again..probly not.

    |07 HusTler


    Panic would cause more people to get the jab if they recognized the jab as a solution only.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Otto Reverse on Thu Dec 30 07:14:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Otto Reverse to paulie420 on Thu Dec 30 2021 05:58 am

    those who don't want to get vaxxed have reasons,
    usually the side effects wich I my self suffered from the shots.

    I disagree here - MOST people who don't want to get vaxxed only doso because 'screw libtards' and political reasons. Most...

    My (anecdotal) take on it in my region is the 30's and under don't want it because they don't need it (the healthy ones) so why take something so new. 40+ are a mix of "why take something new", "don't need it", and "don't tell what to do". The latter isn't "screw libtards" here (Canada) because we have mixture of left and right leaning provincial governments who all have the sa message regarding vaccines (and mandates and passports). It is political, bu not left/right, rather it is authoritarian vs freedom of choice.

    Yeah, the libtard argument is a bit wtf... here the most popular right wing party is so onboard with enforced vaccination that it would put a lot of US jab proponents to shame XD

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Thu Dec 30 09:20:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Denn on Thu Dec 30 2021 05:43 am


    and there are also cases were the person has covid but the test
    comes back negative.


    All i can say is it worked for me and it's working for the people
    they test in my workplace. these fuckers are getting it.
    the PCR test does get false posatives but reading up on it, it seems
    to be pretty good at detecting covid, I heard there is a newer more
    reliable test comming in January.

    maybe there's defective tests. i gave a test to the woman i live with last night and the whole bottom half turned purple and stayed that way for quite a while. she was exposed to someone with it the last couple of days. eventually it got really faint and i have to give her another test to find out for sure.

    My duaghter in law gwts testedtwice a week, she just got covid like a week ago, they made her quaritine for 5 days only, weird I though it was still 10 days.


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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Thu Dec 30 09:24:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to HusTler on Thu Dec 30 2021 07:08 am

    The probelm with echo chambers is that they amplify panic.

    Maybe a little panic would be a good thing. Perhaps more people would
    get vaxed. Then again..probly not.


    don't you think enough panic has gone on since covid? my friend blew his brains out and i know of other suicides.

    apparently you still get sick and spread covid with the vaccine, so what good is it.

    Also there are side effects for a lot of people from the shots, I personally got the enlarged heart and Kidney failure fron the vaccine and now take meds because of that.


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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Limping Ninja on Thu Dec 30 07:52:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Limping Ninja to Trikester on Wed Dec 29 2021 04:47 pm

    Read some Q post the other day, person lost his job, wife, kids, house --- but was OK with that, until Trump said the vaccine
    was
    real; dude said that until that moment it had all been worth it, waiting for JFK Jr. and drinking the Q-ewlAid. Imagine being
    that
    in love, that devoted, and so absolutely fucking confused in reality. I am starting to think it is the preservatives in the food
    or something.

    Heh, got room for a family of 4? :-D

    I am a bit envious that you were able to make that move. Being in Canada is too close to the craziness... A friend recently picked up his family and moved from BC to Australia to get away from a lot of the nonsense going on - though at times I see hints that make me wonder if Australia is all that far removed.

    I partially look forward to the day when my kids are grown and I might have the freedom to live elsewhere.

    I think part of the issue is that there's a lot of isolationism in the U.S. - drive across the border and watch a weather report, and somehow Canada has disappeared off the map.

    I believe you're right in that some need to be fed in to the twit list, more than I already have, apparently.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Boraxman on Thu Dec 30 07:59:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on Thu Dec 30 2021 05:56 pm

    Do you really believe that big pharma companies have no other motive than to get the most effective treatment at the best value
    for the customer?
    It costs money to do the trials, to perform the registration, and for a drug which you cannot patent, it may not be worth it in
    the end. Show Ivermectin to be effective, and watch everyone else undercut them with generics.
    It is very, very clear that there is a narrative out there which is pushing vaccines as *THE* solution. Not that I'm against
    people taking it, but many who are towing the narrative seem resistant to even admit there could be, may need to be, other ways
    to treat people. I find it sus that only those which are profitable to big Pharma, are the ones we can talk about.

    I believe you just contradicted yourself. Selling Ivermectin for any reason would be a profit motive for Merck. Do you not think they'd be interested in studies that suggest it could be used for something else?

    As soon as there are other solutions that are shown to be safe and effective, you bet they're going to jump on them. It just hasn't happened yet.

    There's also a huge difference between "what we can talk about" and what is actually safe & effective. You can talk about Ivermectin until the cows come home, but as yet there's no accepted indication it does anything for, let me check here... oh right, viruses.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Dumas Walker on Thu Dec 30 08:04:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dumas Walker to LIMPING NINJA on Thu Dec 30 2021 10:46 am

    Why waste your time reading Q posts if you are so happy with your situation now? I sure don't waste my time on that crap.

    I could only guess what the other fellow's motivations might be, but for me, I think it's always helpful to have some education about topics one might be interested or need to discuss or at least be familiar with to recognize what it is when it's presented to you.

    It's like getting familiar with NFT's. It's a joke, but it's good to have a good understanding of it to help inform others about it.

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  • From Limping Ninja@VERT/CAPSHRIL to Dumas Walker on Thu Dec 30 11:23:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dumas Walker to LIMPING NINJA on Thu Dec 30 2021 10:46 am

    Why waste your time reading Q posts if you are so happy with your situation now? I sure don't waste my time on that crap.

    Because it was on a feed; maybe it's that insatiable desire to look at the train wreck that popped up in front of me. Maybe it is stopping at a post that someone replied to me on and reading how god awfully stupid it was. Maybe it was just me checking in on whether conservatives in America had further lost the plot. Who knows!? Though I would be interested how it affects you. Feel free to elicit why that particular chunk of the story was interesting to you.

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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Otto Reverse on Thu Dec 30 13:44:00 2021
    My (anecdotal) take on it in my region is the 30's and under don't want
    it because they don't need it (the healthy ones) so why take something
    so new. The 40+ are a mix of "why take something new", "don't need it", and "don't tell me what to do". The latter isn't "screw libtards" here (Canada) because we have a mixture of left and right leaning provincial governments who all have the same message regarding vaccines (and
    mandates and passports). It is political, but not left/right, rather it
    is authoritarian vs freedom of choice.

    In America, I'm not seeing that. Here, its literally LEFT or RIGHT - vax or not... that in my opinion and all -- but its so visible that it smacks you in the face daily.



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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Otto Reverse on Fri Dec 31 05:11:00 2021
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    It is very, very clear that there is a narrative out there which is pushin vaccines as *THE* solution. Not that I'm against people taking it, but ma who are towing the narrative seem resistant to even admit there could be, need to be, other ways to treat people. I find it sus that only those whi are profitable to big Pharma, are the ones we can talk about.

    That is the exact situation in my and Trikesters country (Canada) too.
    The vaccines are the only solution.

    That narrative will change though. Merck's new anti-viral therapeutic
    is being produced in 3 plants world-wide, one of which is in Canada. So whenever that production gets in full swing I expect it will be
    included as one of only two acceptable solutions.

    You know some large companies have staff employed who's job it is specifically to influence government policy? That is literally their job, to try and get the government to make the right decisions.

    Yet, we are supposed to believe that government policy and mandates are not influenced by this at all.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dr. What on Fri Dec 31 05:25:00 2021
    Dr. What wrote to MRO <=-

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    @REPLY: <61CC9139.7656.dove-gen@bbses.info>
    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    we need to come up with a plan that works and stick with it. we cant do that as human beings. we are too stupid.

    When the scamdemic started, we had a plan. The medical professionals looked at things and said it's a virus and there's only 1 way through
    it:

    1. Let the virus run its course.
    2. Ramp up the normal things we do during cold and flu season (wash
    hands, stay home if sick, etc.).
    3. For the very small percentage that will get really sick and need hospitalization, use the known theraputics.
    4. Accept the fact that some people will die - as happens every year during cold and flu season.

    And the "leaders" that we have did the exact OPPOSITE, politicized
    COVID in order to seize more power for themselves, and killed even more people than COVID would have if they had listened to the actual
    experts.

    Australia has gone hard, very hard with lockdowns and restrictions. But now that the virus is spreading more than ever (the last lockdown utterly failed), they are now backtracking, and redefining "close contacts" so the standard is looser. In short, they are unable to boast about how they have the virus under control, so they are now changing rhetoric so things don't seem as bad. Eventually we will hit higher infection rates, but because they've changed the standard, they'll say it doesn't matter now. They will never admit they failed.

    Our leaders have been scamming us from the beginning.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to THUMPER on Thu Dec 30 14:01:00 2021
    I hope that things turn out well for him and your sister. My father is getting an infusion tomorrow or Friday. His started out with bad congestion and fatigue.

    That is exactly what they started with. Now it's in his chest with a lot of wheezing but getting better. Took 2 days for a room to open up at Kaiser and he's finally out of the Emergency Room. It appears they will keep him for a fe
    days and have him on fluids, antibiotics, etc. Sister is back home but still bad. They are saying it is a very strong Flu....

    Hope they get to feeling better soon. That sounds like a pretty bad flu.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Thu Dec 30 14:08:00 2021
    t. I'm not scared of dying , i just dont want to get sick and use up my sick ys at work. it's more of an annoyance.

    I am not real afraid of dying right now, either, but I don't want to get
    sick and/or die because someone else I have to come in contact with did something stupid like hanging around in a big crowd.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Boraxman on Fri Dec 31 03:26:00 2021
    Boraxman wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Australia has gone hard, very hard with lockdowns and restrictions.

    Side note: I have to wonder what they would have done if they hadn't seized all the guns there.

    they'll say it doesn't matter now. They will never admit they failed.

    No. Those people will never admit that they were wrong and will always double down on their mistakes.

    Our leaders have been scamming us from the beginning.

    As many people knew at the start, and now even more people are figuring out.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Fri Dec 31 03:34:00 2021
    MRO wrote to HusTler <=-

    don't you think enough panic has gone on since covid? my friend blew
    his brains out and i know of other suicides.

    Too common, unfortunately. It was predicted early on that the response to COVID would cause more deaths than COVID. That prediction came true already.

    apparently you still get sick and spread covid with the vaccine, so
    what good is it.

    That's why I won't call the jab a "vaccine". It's not a vaccine and never was.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Denn on Fri Dec 31 03:37:00 2021
    Denn wrote to MRO <=-

    My duaghter in law gwts testedtwice a week, she just got covid like a
    week ago, they made her quaritine for 5 days only, weird I though it
    was still 10 days.

    Because it's all BS. The CDC has publically admitted that their rules are mostly based on what the public will put up with. And the public is getting more and more cynical about COVID that the BS rules every day.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Trikester on Fri Dec 31 03:48:00 2021
    Trikester wrote to Boraxman <=-

    I believe you just contradicted yourself. Selling Ivermectin for any reason would be a profit motive for Merck. Do you not think they'd be interested in studies that suggest it could be used for something else?

    Let's see.... If you actually had any knowledge about this topic you would know:
    1. The Ivermectin patent has expired. So anyone can make it. If you were actually knowledgeable about things like the market (which I know is so hard for Socialists like you), you would know that the profit on Ivermectin would be pennies, at best.
    2. Compared to the jab, where the drug companies have an effective monopoly granted by the gov't and they can charge lots of money and make lots of profit.


    As soon as there are other solutions that are shown to be safe and effective, you bet they're going to jump on them. It just hasn't
    happened yet.

    Again, you need to get your information from CNN. There have been safe and effective solutions since the start of the scamdemic. And early on, the Leftie Elitist "leaders" made them illegal for doctors to prescribe.

    When the politicians (and their sycophants in the "health" depts) become more knowledgeable in medical topics than doctors who actually treat people every day?

    There's also a huge difference between "what we can talk about" and
    what is actually safe & effective.

    Right. Your camp (the ignorant Left) wants to prevent anyone from talking about anything that goes counter to your Narrative. Any discussion about treatments that are not the jab are Cancelled by your side.

    You can talk about Ivermectin until
    the cows come home, but as yet there's no accepted indication it does anything for, let me check here... oh right, viruses.

    Tell that to the most populated area of India, that is now declared COVID-free, mostly sue to the use of Ivermectin.

    "It's bad enough that so many people believe things without any evidence. What is worse is that some people have no conception of evidence and regard facts as just someone else's opinion." -- Thomas Sowell

    I'm just amazed that someone who is as willfully ignorant as you has the gall to even post publically.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Fri Dec 31 04:17:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to MRO on Thu Dec 30 2021 02:20 pm

    maybe there's defective tests. i gave a test to the woman i live with last night and the whole bottom half turned purple and stayed that way for quite a while. she was exposed to someone with it the last couple of days. eventually it got really faint and i have to give her another test to find out for sure.

    My duaghter in law gwts testedtwice a week, she just got covid like a week ago, they made her quaritine for 5 days only, weird I though it was still 10 days.



    also to clarify, i get the binaxnow antigen test and at walgreens i can pick from the type of test i want.

    i think everyone should get tested once a week, especialy since it can be free at walgreens and cvs. lately i've been getting binax tests from walmart. it's 14 bucks for 2 tests.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Fri Dec 31 04:20:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Dr. What on Fri Dec 31 2021 10:25 am

    standard is looser. In short, they are unable to boast about how they have the virus under control, so they are now changing rhetoric so things don't seem as bad. Eventually we will hit higher infection rates, but because they've changed the standard, they'll say it doesn't matter now. They will never admit they failed.

    are they still pulling up women's dresses and showing their vaginas and piling up on top of them? there might be a good market in porn for that.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to LIMPING NINJA on Fri Dec 31 06:31:00 2021
    Why waste your time reading Q posts if you are so happy with your situation now? I sure don't waste my time on that crap.

    Because it was on a feed; maybe it's that insatiable desire to look at the tra
    wreck that popped up in front of me. Maybe it is stopping at a post that some
    e replied to me on and reading how god awfully stupid it was. Maybe it was jus
    me checking in on whether conservatives in America had further lost the plot.

    Some fringe conservatives maybe. Saying it is all of them would be like me automatically assuming that you are associated with George Soros or the "non-existent" antifa.

    o knows!? Though I would be interested how it affects you. Feel free to elicit
    hy that particular chunk of the story was interesting to you.

    Because if I ignored that chunk of the story there really was not anything left. The whole story was basically "I live in Europe now, it is so much better than the US, but yet I still have to follow posts from some fringe
    group that many Americans have not even heard of in order to prove to
    myself that I am better off."


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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Dr. What on Fri Dec 31 07:03:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Trikester on Fri Dec 31 2021 08:48 am

    Tell that to the most populated area of India, that is now declared COVID-free, mostly sue to the use of Ivermectin.

    This right here shows you are reading, and most importantly, believing, garbage. That's not a thing, sorry.

    I'm just amazed that someone who is as willfully ignorant as you has the gall to even post publically.

    How many times did you twitch when posting this pile of "us vs. them" nonsense? Even with the legitimate points you might have been trying to make, you've destroyed the rest of everything you've said with the rest of your angry bile spewing. Do you not see that it's just not possible to have any level of conversation with the environment you create?

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/HZBBS to Trikester on Sat Jan 1 07:28:00 2022
    Trikester wrote to Boraxman <=-

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on Thu Dec 30 2021 05:56 pm

    Do you really believe that big pharma companies have no other motive than to
    get the most effective treatment at the best value
    for the customer?
    It costs money to do the trials, to perform the registration, and for a drug
    which you cannot patent, it may not be worth it in
    the end. Show Ivermectin to be effective, and watch everyone else undercut
    t
    hem with generics.
    It is very, very clear that there is a narrative out there which is pushing
    v
    accines as *THE* solution. Not that I'm against
    people taking it, but many who are towing the narrative seem resistant to
    eve
    n admit there could be, may need to be, other ways
    to treat people. I find it sus that only those which are profitable to big
    P
    harma, are the ones we can talk about.

    I believe you just contradicted yourself. Selling Ivermectin for any reason would be a profit motive for Merck. Do you not think they'd be interested in studies that suggest it could be used for something else?

    It's a gamble, not a certainty. But as I said, if it were shown to be effective, then people would use existing formulations. Ivermectin is not new.
    It already exists as a product. Sure they could create a competing product, they could even create the generic, but the drug you have a patent on is more profitable.

    As soon as there are other solutions that are shown to be safe and effective, you bet they're going to jump on them. It just hasn't
    happened yet.

    I disagree. I've noted zero discussion during this pandemic, from mainstream media, about how you can better protect yourself WHEN you get covid. People have been explicit about not wanting to promote alternatives, because it could lead to vaccine hesitancy.

    There's also a huge difference between "what we can talk about" and
    what is actually safe & effective. You can talk about Ivermectin until
    the cows come home, but as yet there's no accepted indication it does anything for, let me check here... oh right, viruses.

    I don't know how well it works, but the jury is out. There seems to be indications that in practice it is beneficial, though the mechanism may well not be understood. People are getting this backwards. If a safe drug seems to work, then it reasonable to use that drug to prevent death/sickness, even if you have to wait until later to show how well it actually worked. First, do no harm, which has already been established with Ivermectin.

    Again, I'm not promoting it, I'm just noting that the discussion around treatments seems highly political, and I believe that people are adopting medical positions to indicate the political/ideological group they identify with.



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  • From Boraxman@VERT/HZBBS to Dr. What on Sat Jan 1 07:36:00 2022
    Dr. What wrote to Boraxman <=-

    Boraxman wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Australia has gone hard, very hard with lockdowns and restrictions.

    Side note: I have to wonder what they would have done if they hadn't seized all the guns there.

    Nothing, Australians are passive anyway.

    they'll say it doesn't matter now. They will never admit they failed.

    No. Those people will never admit that they were wrong and will always double down on their mistakes.

    Our leaders have been scamming us from the beginning.

    As many people knew at the start, and now even more people are figuring out.

    People have known this for ages, they just don't see the need to act on it.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/HZBBS to MRO on Sat Jan 1 07:37:00 2022
    MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Dr. What on Fri Dec 31 2021 10:25 am

    standard is looser. In short, they are unable to boast about how they have the virus under control, so they are now changing rhetoric so things don't seem as bad. Eventually we will hit higher infection rates, but because they've changed the standard, they'll say it doesn't matter now. They will never admit they failed.

    are they still pulling up women's dresses and showing their vaginas and piling up on top of them? there might be a good market in porn for
    that. ---

    Huh? I missed that. What are you referring to?



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  • From Boraxman@VERT/HZBBS to Dr. What on Sat Jan 1 07:45:00 2022
    Dr. What wrote to Trikester <=-

    Trikester wrote to Boraxman <=-

    I believe you just contradicted yourself. Selling Ivermectin for any reason would be a profit motive for Merck. Do you not think they'd be interested in studies that suggest it could be used for something else?

    Let's see.... If you actually had any knowledge about this topic you would know:
    1. The Ivermectin patent has expired. So anyone can make it. If you
    were actually knowledgeable about things like the market (which I know
    is so hard for Socialists like you), you would know that the profit on Ivermectin would be pennies, at best.
    2. Compared to the jab, where the drug companies have an effective monopoly granted by the gov't and they can charge lots of money and
    make lots of profit.

    I've worked in the pharma industry, what you want to do is develop a molecule/active ingredient that you can patent. THAT is where the money is. You want to own the IP. And its not like its easy then to make millions of doses. You need to set aside the product capacity.

    As soon as there are other solutions that are shown to be safe and effective, you bet they're going to jump on them. It just hasn't
    happened yet.

    Again, you need to get your information from CNN. There have been safe and effective solutions since the start of the scamdemic. And early
    on, the Leftie Elitist "leaders" made them illegal for doctors to prescribe.

    When the politicians (and their sycophants in the "health" depts)
    become more knowledgeable in medical topics than doctors who actually treat people every day?

    There's also a huge difference between "what we can talk about" and
    what is actually safe & effective.

    Right. Your camp (the ignorant Left) wants to prevent anyone from
    talking about anything that goes counter to your Narrative. Any discussion about treatments that are not the jab are Cancelled by your side.

    You can talk about Ivermectin until
    the cows come home, but as yet there's no accepted indication it does anything for, let me check here... oh right, viruses.

    Tell that to the most populated area of India, that is now declared COVID-free, mostly sue to the use of Ivermectin.

    "It's bad enough that so many people believe things without any
    evidence. What is worse is that some people have no conception of evidence and regard facts as just someone else's opinion." -- Thomas Sowell

    I'm just amazed that someone who is as willfully ignorant as you has
    the gall to even post publically.

    Big Tech censoring discussion of the application of a drug, as applied and used by medical professionals, isn't part of the scientific process.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dr. What on Fri Dec 31 17:56:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Denn on Fri Dec 31 2021 08:37 am


    My duaghter in law gets tested twice a week, she just got covid like
    a week ago, they made her quaritine for 5 days only, weird I though
    it was still 10 days.

    Because it's all BS. The CDC has publically admitted that their rules are mostly based on what the public will put up with. And the public is getting more and more cynical about COVID that the BS rules every day.

    They got just about everything wrong, they're still doubling down on supressing alternate treaments for those who get infected.
    Covid is real and can kill the elderly and those with medical problems.
    I know many people now that got covid, rode it out and are doing great now.
    Most of whom refuse to take the shots.
    My wife just said maybe her and I should get the booster, I told her no on me. I already know the side effects for me.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Fri Dec 31 18:00:00 2021
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Denn on Fri Dec 31 2021 09:17 am

    maybe there's defective tests. i gave a test to the woman i live
    with last night and the whole bottom half turned purple and stayed
    that way for quite a while. she was exposed to someone with it the
    last couple of days. eventually it got really faint and i have to
    give her another test to find out for sure.

    My Daughter in law gets tested twice a week, she just got covid like a
    week ago, they made her quaritine for 5 days only, weird I though it
    was still 10 days.



    also to clarify, i get the binaxnow antigen test and at walgreens i can pick from the type of test i want.

    i think everyone should get tested once a week, especialy since it can be free at walgreens and cvs. lately i've been getting binax tests from walma

    If I get sick I will get tested, Maybe I already had it who knows?
    I did have a sore scratchy throat and dry cough for about 1 week then it went away.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Sat Jan 1 02:55:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat Jan 01 2022 12:37 pm


    are they still pulling up women's dresses and showing their vaginas and piling up on top of them? there might be a good market in porn for that. ---

    Huh? I missed that. What are you referring to?


    i posted a video here about it. they knocked over a woman and held her down and her dress was up.

    it was about her not showing some vaccine pass.
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  • From Limping Ninja@VERT/CAPSHRIL to Dumas Walker on Sat Jan 1 01:41:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dumas Walker to LIMPING NINJA on Fri Dec 31 2021 11:31 am

    Some fringe conservatives maybe.

    You should probably re-examine the definition of the word "fringe". The conservative party may comprise of millions of people, but the elected officials account for the base of the party.

    left. The whole story was basically...

    ... your inability to comprehend that people who lived in a country for 40 years, served in the military, can still be worried about the failure of that country but also be happy that they are in a country that provides the things that the US should?

    Are you saying only one can be true at a time? That people that are happy and well fed shouldn't be worried about those starving in another country? That someone from Mexico living in Denmark shouldn't be worried about their family and the Mexican governments policies on cartels?

    Really, it just sounds like you wanted a sound-bite and couldn't be assed to think. Which, well--- kind of representative.

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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to OTTO REVERSE on Sat Jan 1 04:39:00 2022
    That narrative will change though. Merck's new anti-viral therapeutic is being produced in 3 plants world-wide, one of which is in Canada. So whenever that production gets in full swing I expect it will be included as one of only two acceptable solutions.
    Yes, government wants to protect the big-pharmas and they don't care
    about vitamins and supplements or anything that will compete against
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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Boraxman on Sat Jan 1 04:14:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on Sat Jan 01 2022 12:28 pm

    As soon as there are other solutions that are shown to be safe and effective, you bet they're going to jump on them. It
    just hasn't happened yet.

    I disagree. I've noted zero discussion during this pandemic, from mainstream media, about how you can better protect yourself
    WHEN
    you get covid. People have been explicit about not wanting to promote alternatives, because it could lead to vaccine hesitancy.
    I see in another message you posted that you were "in" the pharmaceutical industry... What does that mean, exactly?

    I'm not sure what messages you're getting in your mainstream media there, though I think it's not a great idea to be relying on them for "what should I do if I get sick?". Hmm... Do you have local health authorities there that are supposed to lead the way on these things?

    I don't know how well it works, but the jury is out. There seems to be indications that in practice it is beneficial, though
    the
    mechanism may well not be understood. People are getting this backwards. If a safe drug seems to work, then it reasonable to
    use
    that drug to prevent death/sickness, even if you have to wait until later to show how well it actually worked. First, do no
    harm, which has already been established with Ivermectin.

    That's not really the case, though. Should one be taking medications that you're not supposed to take? There is no credible evidence that one should take Ivermectin for COVID. Pretty straightforward, as far as I can see.

    Anyone's doctor telling them they should take it?

    Again, I'm not promoting it, I'm just noting that the discussion around treatments seems highly political, and I believe that
    people are adopting medical positions to indicate the political/ideological group they identify with.

    That's odd - It's not at all political from where I stand . There's no credible organization suggesting Ivermectin should be used for anything outside of it's stated purpose. When a credible medical organization (not an individual or a single study) suggests otherwise, then perhaps that would be an indicator to take it seriously.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/HZBBS to MRO on Sun Jan 2 07:07:00 2022
    MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat Jan 01 2022 12:37 pm


    are they still pulling up women's dresses and showing their vaginas and piling up on top of them? there might be a good market in porn for that. ---

    Huh? I missed that. What are you referring to?


    i posted a video here about it. they knocked over a woman and held her down and her dress was up.

    it was about her not showing some vaccine pass.
    ---

    Yeah, that sounds like Australia. There was quite a bit of that going on here.
    I have a very low opinion of the Police now. Any man who thinks its is OK to do this is not a good man. I don't care if it is "your job". If "your job" means you have to do this, and you don't look for some other work, you're trash.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/HZBBS to Trikester on Sun Jan 2 07:16:00 2022
    Trikester wrote to Boraxman <=-

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on Sat Jan 01 2022 12:28 pm

    As soon as there are other solutions that are shown to be safe and
    effec
    tive, you bet they're going to jump on them. It
    just hasn't happened yet.

    I disagree. I've noted zero discussion during this pandemic, from
    mainstream
    media, about how you can better protect yourself
    WHEN
    you get covid. People have been explicit about not wanting to promote
    altern
    atives, because it could lead to vaccine hesitancy.
    I see in another message you posted that you were "in" the
    pharmaceutical industry... What does that mean, exactly?

    I'm not sure what messages you're getting in your mainstream media
    there, though I think it's not a great idea to be relying on them for "what should I do if I get sick?". Hmm... Do you have local health authorities there that are supposed to lead the way on these things?


    They've said nothing. Literally in ALL the advertising, warnings, all the government messaging, the only advice we were given is "wear a mask", "wash your hands" and "distance". Now, none of that. You just are threatened now.

    Never did I see "if you catch covid, here is how you can lessen symptoms". Never. Keep in mind, that the official advice was that if you had it, you stay at home. Stay at home and do what? What can I take.

    NEVER did I see anything which said "here is how you can improve your health, so you are not hit as hard". Despite the very high correlation between deaths and other comorbidities, including obesity, NEVER did anyone suggest improved diet, vitamins, how one might weather this better.

    If the pandemic was serious enough to warrant 260 days of lockdown, firing people for not being vaccinated, introducing apartheid and monitoring, you would think it would be important enough to advise people how to handle it.

    So that says something to me. It says that they were approaching this in terms of control, not health.

    I don't know how well it works, but the jury is out. There seems to be indic
    ations that in practice it is beneficial, though
    the
    mechanism may well not be understood. People are getting this backwards.
    If
    a safe drug seems to work, then it reasonable to
    use
    that drug to prevent death/sickness, even if you have to wait until later to
    show how well it actually worked. First, do no
    harm, which has already been established with Ivermectin.

    That's not really the case, though. Should one be taking medications
    that you're not supposed to take? There is no credible evidence that
    one should take Ivermectin for COVID. Pretty straightforward, as far as
    I can see.

    Credible by what standard? If it is being used succesfully, that is credible evidence. This "no evidence" is disinformation. Observaton is evidence.

    Anyone's doctor telling them they should take it?

    Again, I'm not promoting it, I'm just noting that the discussion around
    treat
    ments seems highly political, and I believe that
    people are adopting medical positions to indicate the political/ideological
    g
    roup they identify with.

    That's odd - It's not at all political from where I stand . There's no credible organization suggesting Ivermectin should be used for anything outside of it's stated purpose. When a credible medical organization
    (not an individual or a single study) suggests otherwise, then perhaps that would be an indicator to take it seriously.

    And yet it is being used in other parts of the world. This is ideological, because people are approaching this from their own epistemology. That is to say, some people do not consider something to be true until an authority declares it is.

    Appalling. We are back to the middle ages, with the Church defining truth, and you being wrong, even if you SEE those moons moving around Jupiter.

    Truth is not a matter of politics. Science is not decided by politics.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Trikester on Sun Jan 2 04:34:00 2022
    Trikester wrote to Dr. What <=-

    This right here shows you are reading, and most importantly, believing, garbage. That's not a thing, sorry.

    And this is exactly why I don't waste my time and energy "providing proof" to the ignorant Lefties.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Boraxman on Sun Jan 2 04:35:00 2022
    Boraxman wrote to Dr. What <=-

    People have known this for ages, they just don't see the need to act on it.

    Sadly, too true.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to TRIKESTER on Sun Jan 2 06:01:00 2022
    I'm not sure what messages you're getting in your mainstream media there, thou
    I think it's not a great idea to be relying on them for "what should I do if get sick?". Hmm... Do you have local health authorities there that are suppose
    to lead the way on these things?

    Our local (state-level) health authorities usually communicate with the
    public via our local mainstream media outlets. Being local, they are more straight-forward with their news than the larger cable or internet outlets.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BORAXMAN on Sun Jan 2 06:14:00 2022
    Never did I see "if you catch covid, here is how you can lessen symptoms". Never. Keep in mind, that the official advice was that if you had it, you sta
    at home. Stay at home and do what? What can I take.

    That has been lacking somewhat here also. My understanding now is that
    if you catch COVID and visit a doctor, you do receive advice and sometimes medications. They also schedule you for an infusion.

    IIRC, back in 2020, they were telling people who thought they had it not to even go to the Dr's office.

    NEVER did I see anything which said "here is how you can improve your health, so you are not hit as hard". Despite the very high correlation between deaths
    and other comorbidities, including obesity, NEVER did anyone suggest improved diet, vitamins, how one might weather this better.

    Never here either. I started taking a vitamin supplement, similar to what
    I do during flu season (along with the yearly flu shot). The only advice
    was wear a mask, wash hands, stay home, and social distance if you have to
    go out. During the summer, they added "go outside." Not bad advice, but
    not any of the normal preventative care, either.

    Oddly, before Delta has wound down, they seem to be leaving out the wash
    hands and social distance advice in a lot of their messaging lately. :(

    If the pandemic was serious enough to warrant 260 days of lockdown, firing people for not being vaccinated, introducing apartheid and monitoring, you would think it would be important enough to advise people how to handle it.

    So that says something to me. It says that they were approaching this in term
    of control, not health.

    In the areas that have been very militant about it, it makes you wonder.

    Appalling. We are back to the middle ages, with the Church defining truth, an
    you being wrong, even if you SEE those moons moving around Jupiter.

    Truth is not a matter of politics. Science is not decided by politics.

    I would amend that to "Science is not decided by politicIANs." There are people who are letting their own political stances cloud their views, and I have found that you cannot stop them from doing so. The politicians (and those with political ambition) are the ones I worry about. There seem to be some around who think (like the Church used to) that they get to define what
    science is "science" and what is not.

    Some of the "science" that these people made fun of early on later became
    part of what is accepted.


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  • From Otto Reverse@VERT/BEERS20 to paulie420 on Sun Jan 2 10:58:00 2022
    mandates and passports). It is political, but not left/right, rather is authoritarian vs freedom of choice.

    In America, I'm not seeing that. Here, its literally LEFT or RIGHT - vax or not... that in my opinion and all -- but its so visible that it
    smacks you in the face daily.


    That's a shame. That type of cheap politics can wear on you, especially after what, 2 years almost!

    Good new is (my prediction) its all coming to an end by Spring 2022 with Omicron sweeping the planet and displacing the Delta variant. We are at the beginning of the end.

    Oh crap, then you'll have mid-terms politics coming up lol. Ah well, turn off the TV, stay off Reddit and parts of FidoNet lol and we can keep the divisive politics to a dull roar.
  • From Otto Reverse@VERT/BEERS20 to Boraxman on Sun Jan 2 11:00:00 2022
    That narrative will change though. Merck's new anti-viral therapeutic is being produced in 3 plants world-wide, one of which is in Canada. whenever that production gets in full swing I expect it will be included as one of only two acceptable solutions.

    You know some large companies have staff employed who's job it is specifically to influence government policy? That is literally their
    job, to try and get the government to make the right decisions.

    Yup. At least here (Canada) they can't make donations to political parties or politicians. But we have lobbyists who...well...lobby. And pretty damn hard too.
  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Boraxman on Sun Jan 2 11:46:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on Sun Jan 02 2022 12:16 pm

    Never did I see "if you catch covid, here is how you can lessen symptoms". Never. Keep in mind, that the official advice was
    that if you had it, you stay at home. Stay at home and do what? What can I take.

    Who says there's something to "take"? What do you take for other viruses? You stay hydrated, you might take Vitamin C, but really, since when does every virus have a medication that's advertised on your TV? I think there may be an issue with all the medical advertising you have on TV which isn't replicated in other places. It seems to make you think there must be a 'thing' for everything.

    The best thing one can do if you get sick is to treat it like any other virus at this point. There's isn't a kool-aid for it.

    NEVER did I see anything which said "here is how you can improve your health, so you are not hit as hard". Despite the very
    Bullshit! Americans have very easy access to health information, but does that stop the mass convenience food buying and ever-expanding waistlines? Like, the majority are ignoring "how you can improve your health" advice. Which leads to...

    If the pandemic was serious enough to warrant 260 days of lockdown, firing people for not being vaccinated, introducing
    apartheid and monitoring, you would think it would be important enough to advise people how to handle it.

    The mixed mesasging and nitwit politicians ignoring health advice has really done wonders for the perceptions, I guess.

    So that says something to me. It says that they were approaching this in terms of control, not health.

    And if too many ignore all health advice in a pandemic... hmm, think maybe things HAVE to go that way for a period of time?

    I'm not sure all the whining from this angle means much, though. Was visiting someone who had hockey on last night. The game in Ottawa, nobody in the stadium. The game in Seattle? Full crowd.

    That's not really the case, though. Should one be taking medications that you're not supposed to take? There is no credible
    evidence that one should take Ivermectin for COVID. Pretty straightforward, as far as I can see.
    Credible by what standard?

    Ceratinly not by Facebooks or social medias. Maybe listen to the guy who's been faithfully advising through, what, 6 presidents now?

    Observaton is evidence.

    Right, all the layman observations are doing wonders. Flat earthers unite!

    And yet it is being used in other parts of the world.

    Where?

    Truth is not a matter of politics. Science is not decided by politics.

    No kidding.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Dumas Walker on Sun Jan 2 11:48:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dumas Walker to TRIKESTER on Sun Jan 02 2022 11:01 am

    Our local (state-level) health authorities usually communicate with the public via our local mainstream media outlets. Being local, they are more straight-forward with their news than the larger
    cable or internet outlets.

    And we kind of have the same, too - pretty much through all media outlets they can, traditional and new/online/etc.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dumas Walker on Mon Jan 3 10:42:00 2022
    Dumas Walker wrote to BORAXMAN <=-

    @MSGID: <61D1CF96.57977.dove-gen@capitolcityonline.net>
    @REPLY: <61D0FD46.24796.dove-general@bbs.horizonbbs.org>
    Never did I see "if you catch covid, here is how you can lessen symptoms". Never. Keep in mind, that the official advice was that if you had it, you
    sta

    at home. Stay at home and do what? What can I take.

    That has been lacking somewhat here also. My understanding now is that
    if you catch COVID and visit a doctor, you do receive advice and
    sometimes medications. They also schedule you for an infusion.

    IIRC, back in 2020, they were telling people who thought they had it
    not to even go to the Dr's office.

    I'm not sure what the advice is in Australia, but from what I've heard, it was to stay home, and if you need it, go to the hospital or call an ambulance.

    I suppose people would go to the doctor on their own accord, but for those advised to stay home, some additional info on how to cope would have been good.

    NEVER did I see anything which said "here is how you can improve your
    health,
    so you are not hit as hard". Despite the very high correlation between
    deaths

    and other comorbidities, including obesity, NEVER did anyone suggest
    improved
    diet, vitamins, how one might weather this better.

    Never here either. I started taking a vitamin supplement, similar to
    what I do during flu season (along with the yearly flu shot). The only advice was wear a mask, wash hands, stay home, and social distance if
    you have to go out. During the summer, they added "go outside." Not
    bad advice, but not any of the normal preventative care, either.

    Oddly, before Delta has wound down, they seem to be leaving out the
    wash hands and social distance advice in a lot of their messaging
    lately. :(

    Washing hands was an initial precaution because people were not sure how it was spread. There was a chance it was spread by fomites (particles containing the virus), but that didn't appear to be the case. You weren't going to catch covid from handling objects outside, so the advice (which still good advice because of other pathogens and parasites), wasn't that necessary.

    If the pandemic was serious enough to warrant 260 days of lockdown, firing people for not being vaccinated, introducing apartheid and monitoring, you would think it would be important enough to advise people how to handle it.

    So that says something to me. It says that they were approaching this in
    term

    of control, not health.

    In the areas that have been very militant about it, it makes you
    wonder.

    Appalling. We are back to the middle ages, with the Church defining truth,
    an

    you being wrong, even if you SEE those moons moving around Jupiter.

    Truth is not a matter of politics. Science is not decided by politics.

    I would amend that to "Science is not decided by politicIANs." There
    are people who are letting their own political stances cloud their
    views, and I have found that you cannot stop them from doing so. The politicians (and those with political ambition) are the ones I worry about. There seem to be some around who think (like the Church used
    to) that they get to define what science is "science" and what is not.

    Some of the "science" that these people made fun of early on later
    became part of what is accepted.

    Another part is people who want to be seen as being rational, being with "the science", who saw it opportune to repeat certain truths because they were associated with "the science". Very few actually understood science, fewer practiced it.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Trikester on Mon Jan 3 10:51:00 2022
    Trikester wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <61D24782.1935.dove-general@basement.isurf.ca>
    @REPLY: <61D0FD46.24796.dove-general@bbs.horizonbbs.org>
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on
    Sun Jan 02 2022 12:16 pm

    Never did I see "if you catch covid, here is how you can lessen
    symptoms". Never. Keep in mind, that the official advice was
    that if you had it, you stay at home. Stay at home and do what? What can I
    take.

    Who says there's something to "take"? What do you take for other
    viruses? You stay hydrated, you might take Vitamin C, but really, since when does every virus have a medication that's advertised on your TV? I think there may be an issue with all the medical advertising you have
    on TV which isn't replicated in other places. It seems to make you
    think there must be a 'thing' for everything.

    The best thing one can do if you get sick is to treat it like any other virus at this point. There's isn't a kool-aid for it.

    By the way, in answer to your earlier question, I've worked in the pharma industry in a professional context. I have dealt directly with regulators, and worked at sites that have produced injectables, prescription medicines, anti-cancer drugs, antibiotics and vaccines. My job involves risk management, auditing and have dealt with health professionals and I have a scientific background.

    Your statement is misguided. Medicines help with a particular condition. Whether a viral infection can be helped depends on the symptions. Medication can relieve the symptoms, which can be the difference between life and death.

    You do realise they use ventilators? They do not treat the virus either.

    NEVER did I see anything which said "here is how you can improve your
    health,
    so you are not hit as hard". Despite the very
    Bullshit! Americans have very easy access to health information, but
    does that stop the mass convenience food buying and ever-expanding waistlines? Like, the majority are ignoring "how you can improve your health" advice. Which leads to...

    If the pandemic was serious enough to warrant 260 days of lockdown, firing
    pe
    ople for not being vaccinated, introducing
    apartheid and monitoring, you would think it would be important enough to
    adv
    ise people how to handle it.

    The mixed mesasging and nitwit politicians ignoring health advice has really done wonders for the perceptions, I guess.

    So that says something to me. It says that they were approaching this in
    ter
    ms of control, not health.

    And if too many ignore all health advice in a pandemic... hmm, think
    maybe things HAVE to go that way for a period of time?

    I'm not sure all the whining from this angle means much, though. Was visiting someone who had hockey on last night. The game in Ottawa,
    nobody in the stadium. The game in Seattle? Full crowd.

    The forced natured of the vaccine rollout, the exclusion, the rhetoric, I think this has been counter productive. It was bad decision making, stupid, to take away agency from people.

    That's not really the case, though. Should one be taking medications
    tha
    t you're not supposed to take? There is no credible
    evidence that one should take Ivermectin for COVID. Pretty
    straightforwa
    rd, as far as I can see.
    Credible by what standard?

    Ceratinly not by Facebooks or social medias. Maybe listen to the guy
    who's been faithfully advising through, what, 6 presidents now?

    Fauci? He is just one voice among many.
    Observaton is evidence.

    Right, all the layman observations are doing wonders. Flat earthers
    unite!

    That is a stupid thing to say. It was observaton which led people to believe the earth was round in the first place. It was observation which led to vaccines in the first place.

    That statement right reveals a lot.

    This idea that observation doesn't matter, that what someone decrees overides what is observed is anti-science. It fills me with despair that so many who are promoting a warped view of how science works are not being called out on it.


    And yet it is being used in other parts of the world.

    Where?

    India, Japan.

    Truth is not a matter of politics. Science is not decided by politics.

    No kidding.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to paulie420 on Mon Jan 3 11:02:00 2022
    paulie420 wrote to Otto Reverse <=-

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    My (anecdotal) take on it in my region is the 30's and under don't want
    it because they don't need it (the healthy ones) so why take something
    so new. The 40+ are a mix of "why take something new", "don't need it", and "don't tell me what to do". The latter isn't "screw libtards" here (Canada) because we have a mixture of left and right leaning provincial governments who all have the same message regarding vaccines (and
    mandates and passports). It is political, but not left/right, rather it
    is authoritarian vs freedom of choice.

    In America, I'm not seeing that. Here, its literally LEFT or RIGHT -
    vax or not... that in my opinion and all -- but its so visible that it smacks you in the face daily.


    Australia seems more like America. Not exactly like it, but somewhat like it.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Dumas Walker on Mon Jan 3 03:26:00 2022
    Dumas Walker wrote to BORAXMAN <=-

    if you catch COVID and visit a doctor, you do receive advice and
    sometimes medications. They also schedule you for an infusion.

    That's interesting. An infusion of what?

    IIRC, back in 2020, they were telling people who thought they had it
    not to even go to the Dr's office.

    That's because they were ordered to not prescribe any of the known treatments. There was literally nothing that the Dr. could do until it worsened. Today they just chalk you up as a COVID patient (regardless of whether that's causing your problem), stick you on a ventilator, and wait for you to become a statistic for their propaganda.

    Never here either. I started taking a vitamin supplement, similar to
    what I do during flu season (along with the yearly flu shot). The only advice was wear a mask, wash hands, stay home, and social distance if
    you have to go out. During the summer, they added "go outside." Not
    bad advice, but not any of the normal preventative care, either.

    The last thing that they wanted is for people to stop getting impacted by COVID. High numbers means the sheeple are scared - and more easily controlled.

    Oddly, before Delta has wound down, they seem to be leaving out the
    wash hands and social distance advice in a lot of their messaging
    lately. :(

    I would amend that to "Science is not decided by politicIANs." There
    are people who are letting their own political stances cloud their
    views, and I have found that you cannot stop them from doing so.

    This has been long in coming. The Leftie Elites took over higher education a long time ago and have been producing people who were more indoctrinated than educated. Combine that with a culture that has been conditioned to defer to the 'experts' and they have enother way to control people.

    Most of those "scientists" are not scientists. They have the degree, but they know that they are at best, hacks. That makes it even easier for them to be subverted. Then add the whole "grants" process that they need to play in just to have a decent income.

    politicians (and those with political ambition) are the ones I worry about. There seem to be some around who think (like the Church used
    to) that they get to define what science is "science" and what is not.

    Right out of Orwell's "1984".


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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dr. What on Mon Jan 3 06:19:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Dumas Walker on Mon Jan 03 2022 08:26 am

    if you catch COVID and visit a doctor, you do receive advice and
    sometimes medications. They also schedule you for an infusion.

    That's interesting. An infusion of what?


    Monoclonal antibodies are laboratory-produced molecules that act as substitute antibodies that can restore, enhance or mimic the immune system's attack on cells. Monoclonal antibodies for COVID-19 may block the virus that causes COVID-19 from attaching to human cells, making it more difficult for the virus to reproduce and cause harm. Monoclonal antibodies may also neutralize a virus.

    The FDA has now approved monoclonal treatments.

    https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update -fda-authorizes-monoclonal-antibodies-treatment-covid-19

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Boraxman on Mon Jan 3 06:18:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on Mon Jan 03 2022 03:51 pm

    Your statement is misguided. Medicines help with a particular condition. Whether a viral infection can be helped depends on
    the
    symptions. Medication can relieve the symptoms, which can be the difference between life and death.
    You do realise they use ventilators? They do not treat the virus either.

    Just like if you had a bad flu, you take care of yourself as best as you can (there's likely no medicine to 'take' unless you've been prescribed something by a medical professional) and if you're really ill, you might need to head to the hospital. That's where the ventilators are, they're not a "I read it on Facebook" thing to administer to yourself.

    The forced natured of the vaccine rollout, the exclusion, the rhetoric, I think this has been counter productive. It was bad
    decision making, stupid, to take away agency from people.

    Agency doesn't mean one gets to make dangerous decisions for themselves and then force that on to others.

    They should have mandated the vaccine, period. No balls, though.

    Fauci? He is just one voice among many.

    He's a very specific voice, one which many other places would be lucky to have.

    Right, all the layman observations are doing wonders. Flat earthers unite!
    That is a stupid thing to say. It was observaton which led people to believe the earth was round in the first place. It was
    observation which led to vaccines in the first place.
    That statement right reveals a lot.

    It was worded kind of specifically, but I am not surprised that you picked up on all but the adjective.

    This idea that observation doesn't matter, that what someone decrees overides what is observed is anti-science. It fills me
    with despair that so many who are promoting a warped view of how science works are not being called out on it.

    That's not what was said or suggested. Of course observation matters. Observing misinformation, anecdotes, etc is causing all sorts of problems.

    And yet it is being used in other parts of the world.
    Where?
    India, Japan.

    India was short-lived and cancelled due to no evidence that it did anything. Japan, no.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/05/fact-check-japan-has-not-halted-vaccines-ivermectin/6232580001/

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/11/27/no-ivermectin-did-not-help-japan-bring-down-covid-19-coronavirus-delta-surge/?sh=2
    83dba1c2938

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BORAXMAN on Mon Jan 3 11:44:00 2022
    I'm not sure what the advice is in Australia, but from what I've heard, it was
    to stay home, and if you need it, go to the hospital or call an ambulance.

    That sounds familiar re: what we were told.

    I suppose people would go to the doctor on their own accord, but for those advised to stay home, some additional info on how to cope would have been good

    Agreed! Other than "stay isolated so others don't get it," I don't remember too many helpful hints.

    I would amend that to "Science is not decided by politicIANs." There are people who are letting their own political stances cloud their views, and I have found that you cannot stop them from doing so. The politicians (and those with political ambition) are the ones I worry about. There seem to be some around who think (like the Church used
    to) that they get to define what science is "science" and what is not.

    Some of the "science" that these people made fun of early on later became part of what is accepted.

    Another part is people who want to be seen as being rational, being with "the science", who saw it opportune to repeat certain truths because they were associated with "the science". Very few actually understood science, fewer practiced it.

    I cannot argue with this. There are some talking heads here in the US that were very skeptical about a vaccine until our Presidency changed hands.
    Then they, too, became all about "the science" practically overnight.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Mon Jan 3 12:19:00 2022
    Dumas Walker wrote to BORAXMAN <=-

    if you catch COVID and visit a doctor, you do receive advice and sometimes medications. They also schedule you for an infusion.

    That's interesting. An infusion of what?

    The monoclonal antibody treatment, I presume. I was not one of the persons diagnosed or that tested positive so I was not there and am not 100% sure.

    Never here either. I started taking a vitamin supplement, similar to what I do during flu season (along with the yearly flu shot). The only advice was wear a mask, wash hands, stay home, and social distance if you have to go out. During the summer, they added "go outside." Not bad advice, but not any of the normal preventative care, either.

    The last thing that they wanted is for people to stop getting impacted by COVID. High numbers means the sheeple are scared - and more easily controlled

    I hate to admit it but, before the 2020 election, I am not certain that you
    are mistaken, especially when it comes to some of our politicians.
    Especially when it comes to what certain state governors did with nursing
    home patients.

    This has been long in coming. The Leftie Elites took over higher education a long time ago and have been producing people who were more indoctrinated than educated. Combine that with a culture that has been conditioned to defer to the 'experts' and they have enother way to control people.

    I cannot argue with that.

    Most of those "scientists" are not scientists. They have the degree, but they
    know that they are at best, hacks. That makes it even easier for them to be subverted. Then add the whole "grants" process that they need to play in just
    to have a decent income.

    So sort of like the old saying, "Those who can, do, those who can't,
    teach," except in this case it is "... those who can't, get government
    jobs"?

    politicians (and those with political ambition) are the ones I worry about. There seem to be some around who think (like the Church used
    to) that they get to define what science is "science" and what is not.

    Right out of Orwell's "1984".

    And history repeating itself.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Trikester on Tue Jan 4 09:13:00 2022
    Trikester wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on
    Mon Jan 03 2022 03:51 pm

    Your statement is misguided. Medicines help with a particular condition.
    Wh
    ether a viral infection can be helped depends on
    the
    symptions. Medication can relieve the symptoms, which can be the difference
    between life and death.
    You do realise they use ventilators? They do not treat the virus either.

    Just like if you had a bad flu, you take care of yourself as best as
    you can (there's likely no medicine to 'take' unless you've been prescribed something by a medical professional) and if you're really
    ill, you might need to head to the hospital. That's where the
    ventilators are, they're not a "I read it on Facebook" thing to
    administer to yourself.

    Well, I would say this is more than a bad flu to some. Yes, it will be the doctor that you see that will make any recommendations, but there are many other concomitant risk factors that can be addressed.

    Now, I am not suggesting that doctors are not doing a sterling job. What I am saying is that there seems to be many people who want to limit or direct discourse. I have found that even just suggesting that front line medical workers may know something we don't can be controversial. You know, people who may be dealing with this day in and day out and are figuring how to keep people alive.

    The Victorian "Covid Commander" that we see on TV, who people here follow for guidance as to what to think and how to handle the pandemic, is not a scientist or a doctor. He actually used to run the public transport system.

    The forced natured of the vaccine rollout, the exclusion, the rhetoric, I
    thi
    nk this has been counter productive. It was bad
    decision making, stupid, to take away agency from people.

    Agency doesn't mean one gets to make dangerous decisions for themselves and then force that on to others.

    They should have mandated the vaccine, period. No balls, though.

    I think the mandate created scepticism, as it confirmed for many people the "conspiratorial" aspect of the rollout.

    People get to make dangerous decisions all the time. Whether to have unprotected promiscious sex or not, to overdrink, to eat unhealthy food, smoke, overload yourself with sugar, partake in risky physical activity.

    No "anti-vaxxer" is forcing their choice on others.


    Fauci? He is just one voice among many.

    He's a very specific voice, one which many other places would be lucky
    to have.

    There are many, many other countries with a lower death toll, and a lower number of deaths per capita, than the USA.

    I'm not blaming Fauci for this, there are many other factors, but I'm going to take my queues and advice from where there is greater success.


    Right, all the layman observations are doing wonders. Flat earthers
    unit
    e!
    That is a stupid thing to say. It was observaton which led people to
    believe
    the earth was round in the first place. It was
    observation which led to vaccines in the first place.
    That statement right reveals a lot.

    It was worded kind of specifically, but I am not surprised that you
    picked up on all but the adjective.

    This idea that observation doesn't matter, that what someone decrees
    overides
    what is observed is anti-science. It fills me
    with despair that so many who are promoting a warped view of how science
    work
    s are not being called out on it.

    That's not what was said or suggested. Of course observation matters. Observing misinformation, anecdotes, etc is causing all sorts of
    problems.

    Agreed, but anecdotes when repeatedly observed are data. The issue isn't that people aren't listening to Rogan or other voices, the issue is the reluctance that people have to listen to professionals.

    I'm yet to decide whether you are such person, but I have noted with others, this worldview that we should only listen to authorities, and that professionals don't actually know what they are doing. This is a worrying trend.

    As I mentioned before, in Australia, "follow the science" for many actually means "follow what people who are NOT scientists but are public figures think".


    And yet it is being used in other parts of the world.
    Where?
    India, Japan.

    India was short-lived and cancelled due to no evidence that it did anything. Japan, no. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/05/fact-check-japa n-has-not-halted-vaccines-ivermectin/6232580001/

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/11/27/no-ivermectin-did-not-h elp-japan-bring-down-covid-19-coronavirus-delta-surge/?sh=2
    83dba1c2938

    Sorry if those get chopped up on send here. Hopefully you find them
    useful on that last point.

    Thanks, I did manage to extract the URL. I'm perhaps a little sensetive on this issue, because so many seem to want to take a firm position. With fact checking though, you have to read between the lines. I haven't disputed that vaccines were the main reason that numbers have dropped and I don't believe that Ivermectin is THE key. My position is more philosophical, if medical practitioners are observing success, it should be of interest, and it shouldn't be up to lay people (like you and me) to interpret or interfere.

    But many have been doing that (both for and against IVM), which is why I consider it politicised. The entire argument is tainted IMO by people who want to ensure a narrative.


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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Boraxman on Thu Jan 6 04:31:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on Tue Jan 04 2022 02:13 pm

    Well, I would say this is more than a bad flu to some. Yes, it will be the doctor that you see that will make any
    but there are many other concomitant risk factors that can be addressed.

    Yes, of course this is much worse than a flu to many, which overall has made it more dangerous and something people have needed to heed the expert advice that's being handed down as it's being agreed upon.

    want to limit or direct discourse. I have found that even just suggesting that front line medical workers may know something we
    don't can be controversial.

    Please tell me you're not referring to "Americuhs Frontline Doctors". Please tell me you're not referring to "Americuhs Frontline Doctors". Please...

    The Victorian "Covid Commander" that we see on TV, who people here follow for guidance as to what to think and how to handle the
    pandemic, is not a scientist or a doctor. He actually used to run the public transport system.

    No idea who you're referring to here, sorry.

    People get to make dangerous decisions all the time. Whether to have unprotected promiscious sex or not, to overdrink, to eat
    unhealthy food, smoke, overload yourself with sugar, partake in risky physical activity.
    No "anti-vaxxer" is forcing their choice on others.

    One sentence contains a bunch of dangerous health decisions one gets to make that are not transmissible to others (well, sorry, unprotected sex would be, but one would hope that's mutually agreed upon by the participants, and it's limited to them anyway). The next sentence contains an action that does create extra transmission to others, hence, yes, it's forced on others against their will, and those of us who have done everything we can to keep transmission down, or contained with ourselves as best as possible if we do indeed get it, are not happy with those who don't understand that their choices *absolutely* affect others.

    There are many, many other countries with a lower death toll, and a lower number of deaths per capita, than the USA.
    I'm not blaming Fauci for this, there are many other factors, but I'm going to take my queues and advice from where there is
    greater success.

    Like New Zealand? I think the USA would have turned their red state rivers brown with shit from reaction to a solid management of the virus "against their freedumbs".

    Agreed, but anecdotes when repeatedly observed are data. The issue isn't that people aren't listening to Rogan or other voices,
    the issue is the reluctance that people have to listen to professionals.

    Well, this is a tough one to say I agree or disagree on, because context in each case would be important. I would agree that the one professional that should have been listened to even by his own boss wasn't, until it was too late. But, for the rest of everyone, who are you expecting them to listen to? There's plenty of professionals who are sheisters, too. An interesting study is, going back to the original point, the number of fraudulent or rushed or ill-qualified studies on a variety of items out there, including Ivermectin-as-a-great-medecine-for-COVID. "Professionals" (and the quotes aren't meant to demean the whole group) have muddied the waters, creating these dumb situations where places like India have used Ivermectin and had to find out for themselves that it does nothing, and whoever gave them their advice to use it hadn't done enough work to sort out the data.

    I'm yet to decide whether you are such person, but I have noted with others, this worldview that we should only listen to
    authorities, and that professionals don't actually know what they are doing. This is a worrying trend.

    Hopefully some of the previous paragraph explains a bit. I'm worried that there seems to be a rather large distinction being made that authorities and professionals don't co-exist. Authorities have to get their shit together from professionals, otherwise they're not an authority. If that's occurring, that obviously has to be dealt with, as you lose your authority otherwise. Which is why any "authority" (let's just call it "Florida"?) making stupid moves loses all credibility.

    that numbers have dropped and I don't believe that Ivermectin is THE key. My position is more philosophical, if medical
    practitioners are observing success, it should be of interest, and it shouldn't be up to lay people (like you and me) to
    interpret or interfere.
    But many have been doing that (both for and against IVM), which is why I consider it politicised. The entire argument is
    tainted IMO by people who want to ensure a narrative.

    I'm very confused by some of this - how are you or I interfering with scientists doing their studies? That's not a thing (and I suspect I'm not quite understanding your meaning). They're doing their studies, and other scientists are trying to keep up with analysis of that data.

    The only reason I'll debate or argue against the use of Ivermectin is because that's what sound interpretation says. I'm listening
    to professionals that are analyzing and publishing. For example, this is a fun one, too: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19/ivermectin-train-cannot-stop

    Does this fit my narrative? Sure. But if I saw something come along that was suggested to be a cure, a good medicine for COVID, etc, from the right groups of people and there wasn't such enormous evidence to the contrary, I'd absolutely be thrilled. I don't know why one wouldn't.

    The politicization is for others, it's not such a thing in my immediate neck of the woods.

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  • From TheMemeWarrior@VERT/TMBBS to TRIKESTER on Fri Jan 7 12:59:00 2022
    The only reason I'll debate or argue against the use of Ivermectin is because that's what sound interpretation says. I'm listening
    to professionals that are analyzing and publishing. For example, this is a fun one, too: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19/ivermectin-train-cannot-stop

    The problem is that no one really knows if it is truly helpful or not.
    You might ask why and the answer is that no valid clinical trials were conducted. The CDC even says that the existing studies all had problems
    that call the results into question. Either too small sample size, methodologies, not double blind, etc, etc.

    The thing is that before Covid there was research into Ivermectin for anti-bacterial and anti-viral properties, and it was very promising
    research.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5819080/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6277121/

    I dont know if Ivermectin is a valid treatment for Covid and we
    will probably never really know. I just know that medical science has
    been harmed and set back not because of the science but because of
    politics.




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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to TheMemeWarrior on Fri Jan 7 15:04:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: TheMemeWarrior to TRIKESTER on Fri Jan 07 2022 05:59 pm

    The problem is that no one really knows if it is truly helpful or not.

    The evidence is getting pretty clear - it hasn't been helpful with COVID.

    There's no politicization of it here, it's still the same result.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Trikester on Sat Jan 8 14:36:00 2022
    Trikester wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on
    Tue Jan 04 2022 02:13 pm

    Well, I would say this is more than a bad flu to some. Yes, it will be the
    d
    octor that you see that will make any
    but there are many other concomitant risk factors that can be addressed.

    Yes, of course this is much worse than a flu to many, which overall has made it more dangerous and something people have needed to heed the
    expert advice that's being handed down as it's being agreed upon.

    Luckily it seems the new variant will displace the earliers with a less deadly version.

    want to limit or direct discourse. I have found that even just suggesting
    th
    at front line medical workers may know something we
    don't can be controversial.

    Please tell me you're not referring to "Americuhs Frontline Doctors". Please tell me you're not referring to "Americuhs Frontline Doctors". Please...

    I didn't have America's doctors specifically in mind.
    The Victorian "Covid Commander" that we see on TV, who people here follow
    for
    guidance as to what to think and how to handle the
    pandemic, is not a scientist or a doctor. He actually used to run the
    public
    transport system.

    No idea who you're referring to here, sorry.

    People get to make dangerous decisions all the time. Whether to have
    unprote
    cted promiscious sex or not, to overdrink, to eat
    unhealthy food, smoke, overload yourself with sugar, partake in risky
    physica
    l activity.
    No "anti-vaxxer" is forcing their choice on others.

    One sentence contains a bunch of dangerous health decisions one gets to make that are not transmissible to others (well, sorry, unprotected sex would be, but one would hope that's mutually agreed upon by the participants, and it's limited to them anyway). The next sentence
    contains an action that does create extra transmission to others,
    hence, yes, it's forced on others against their will, and those of us
    who have done everything we can to keep transmission down, or contained with ourselves as best as possible if we do indeed get it, are not
    happy with those who don't understand that their choices *absolutely* affect others.

    True, but this is not new. we have been deciding to keep going out with the flu or a minor cold for years. How many people have we killed because 10 years ago we "soldiered on" at work.

    i do take your point, but there has always been some degree of decision making which has affected others. cjildren and pedestrians dead because of another persons decision to drive. Transmission of other doseases.

    Then we have climate change, and our collective deadly actions.

    I agree we must be aware of we choose to engage in activity which poses a risk to others. But I also think we have to accept the background risk to us, from freedom others have wont be zero.

    There are many, many other countries with a lower death toll, and a lower
    num
    ber of deaths per capita, than the USA.
    I'm not blaming Fauci for this, there are many other factors, but I'm going
    t
    o take my queues and advice from where there is
    greater success.

    Like New Zealand? I think the USA would have turned their red state
    rivers brown with shit from reaction to a solid management of the virus "against their freedumbs".

    I,m in Australia, we had very strong lockdowns, moreso than NZ: covid is everywhere now. The leaders are now doing a 180 saying its not a big deal.

    we just delayed the wave. The story is not over yet.
    Agreed, but anecdotes when repeatedly observed are data. The issue isn't
    tha
    t people aren't listening to Rogan or other voices,
    the issue is the reluctance that people have to listen to professionals.

    Well, this is a tough one to say I agree or disagree on, because
    context in each case would be important. I would agree that the one professional that should have been listened to even by his own boss wasn't, until it was too late. But, for the rest of everyone, who are
    you expecting them to listen to? There's plenty of professionals who
    are sheisters, too. An interesting study is, going back to the original point, the number of fraudulent or rushed or ill-qualified studies on a variety of items out there, including Ivermectin-as-a-great-medecine-for-COVID. "Professionals" (and the
    quotes aren't meant to demean the whole group) have muddied the waters, creating these dumb situations where places like India have used Ivermectin and had to find out for themselves that it does nothing, and whoever gave them their advice to use it hadn't done enough work to
    sort out the data.

    By professionals, I mean it in the traditional sense of the word. People with skills and experience who have the ability to pass technical expertise. A white collaw worker is not automaticcaly a professional.

    anyway, I think the US is broken culturally, so from a US perspective, everything is broken.

    I'm yet to decide whether you are such person, but I have noted with others,
    this worldview that we should only listen to
    authorities, and that professionals don't actually know what they are doing.
    This is a worrying trend.

    Hopefully some of the previous paragraph explains a bit. I'm worried
    that there seems to be a rather large distinction being made that authorities and professionals don't co-exist. Authorities have to get their shit together from professionals, otherwise they're not an authority. If that's occurring, that obviously has to be dealt with, as you lose your authority otherwise. Which is why any "authority" (let's just call it "Florida"?) making stupid moves loses all credibility.

    Agree, we do need policy guided by professionals. we have become hyper sceptical. I know some who just equate science with Liberalism and think they all lie. Also, professionals may not be the best to formulate policy. scientists shouldn't be creating policy for climate change.

    distrust comes from decades long messaging that the guys in suits are the bad guys, and "the people" are right. The Risk Monger has some good articles on this.

    We need to restore faith in authorities, and institutions, but I think some of the rhetoric against "anti-vaxxers" and "conspiracy theorists" has been cointer productive. By speakong of people as "the other", you only cement and expand their distrust of experts. This is what I object to. A more conciliatory approach would result in less division.

    I mean, Macron was saying he hated the unvaxxed and wanted the, to suffer. That wont make them trust the system.

    that numbers have dropped and I don't believe that Ivermectin is THE key.
    My
    position is more philosophical, if medical
    practitioners are observing success, it should be of interest, and it
    shouldn
    't be up to lay people (like you and me) to
    interpret or interfere.
    But many have been doing that (both for and against IVM), which is why I
    cons
    ider it politicised. The entire argument is
    tainted IMO by people who want to ensure a narrative.

    I'm very confused by some of this - how are you or I interfering with scientists doing their studies? That's not a thing (and I suspect I'm
    not quite understanding your meaning). They're doing their studies, and other scientists are trying to keep up with analysis of that data.

    The only reason I'll debate or argue against the use of Ivermectin is because that's what sound interpretation says. I'm listening to professionals that are analyzing and publishing. For example, this is a fun one, too: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19/ivermectin-train-cannot-stop

    Does this fit my narrative? Sure. But if I saw something come along
    that was suggested to be a cure, a good medicine for COVID, etc, from
    the right groups of people and there wasn't such enormous evidence to
    the contrary, I'd absolutely be thrilled. I don't know why one
    wouldn't.

    The politicization is for others, it's not such a thing in my immediate

    There is no incentive for companies like Merck to see a study on Ivermectin succeed. There is little incentive to spend the money and time to do it right.
    Why conduct a trial for a competitor to then take your marlet share? They dont have a patent on the molecule. Prove it works, and generics will flood the market.

    As for politicisation, it does filter through and does bias decision making. We are talking NOT about pure science, but companies, organisations, where people are competing for status. There is always more to consider than pure science. Now there is a government run study on Ivermectin, but that is long term.

    I don't work for Pfizer, but strategic decisions are made high up, and by people with prejudices. are they influenced by the media? well, yes. Decisions are made by fallible humans. I have seen bizarre majow business decisions made unilaterally by ipper management, based on media manufactured hype. The impact may end up being negligible, but the association of a drug with Trupm or the Right WILL bias meetings.

    P.S.
    I find the term "freedumb", implying that freedom is dumb, or the aspiration for freedom is dumb highly concerning.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to TheMemeWarrior on Sat Jan 8 14:41:00 2022
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    The only reason I'll debate or argue against the use of Ivermectin is
    because
    that's what sound interpretation says. I'm listening
    to professionals that are analyzing and publishing. For example, this is a
    fu
    n one, too: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19/ivermectin-train-cannot-stop

    The problem is that no one really knows if it is truly helpful or not.
    You might ask why and the answer is that no valid clinical trials were conducted. The CDC even says that the existing studies all had problems that call the results into question. Either too small sample size, methodologies, not double blind, etc, etc.

    The thing is that before Covid there was research into Ivermectin for anti-bacterial and anti-viral properties, and it was very promising research.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5819080/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6277121/

    I dont know if Ivermectin is a valid treatment for Covid and we
    will probably never really know. I just know that medical science has
    been harmed and set back not because of the science but because of politics.


    This is correct. If Ivermectin is shown to be beneficial, there will be an immediate large scale demand, that other manufacturers will be able to fill immediately.

    therefore it isnt worth spending too much money to try and prove it works.

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  • From TheMemeWarrior@VERT/TMBBS to TRIKESTER on Sat Jan 8 02:46:00 2022
    The evidence is getting pretty clear - it hasn't been helpful with COVID.

    Not according to clinicaltrials.gov unless the evidence is that we dont
    know. If you search for Covid 19 and Ivermectin in USA, UK, France,
    Germany, Finland, and Japan then you will see that there are no
    completed clinical trials. I stand corrected, you will see one completed clinical trial but that was for how people with Covid 19 handle varying
    doses of Ivermectin for 28 days and not efficacy on treating Covid 19.

    I specifically chose those countries due to higher testing standards and
    peer review. The answer is a definitive "we dont know."


    There's no politicization of it here, it's still the same result.

    No one said it was politicized here but clearly the information is
    inaccurate.










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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to TheMemeWarrior on Sat Jan 8 07:12:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: TheMemeWarrior to TRIKESTER on Fri Jan 07 2022 05:59 pm

    I dont know if Ivermectin is a valid treatment for Covid and we
    will probably never really know. I just know that medical science has
    been harmed and set back not because of the science but because of
    politics.

    Some people have postulated that it works when you actually have parasites. Much of the third world does and it appears to work there, but that might be because you don't have the combo of covid and worms after taking it. The data anecdotally bears this out.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to TheMemeWarrior on Sat Jan 8 11:35:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: TheMemeWarrior to TRIKESTER on Sat Jan 08 2022 07:46 am

    The evidence is getting pretty clear - it hasn't been helpful with COVID.
    Not according to clinicaltrials.gov unless the evidence is that we dont know.

    The thing we're looking to fight against here is the notion or argument that one should take it. It's not up to laymen to decide. Maybe what's more important and problematic is that it's highly driven by anti-vaxxers. So it's not really even about taking Ivermectin, it's that it's a wonder medicine that keeps 'ya safe as a complete substitute for the vaccination.

    A great quote from the article is "Ivermectin may offer a slight benefit or a slight harm to people with COVID-19, we still do not know for sure, but it is clearly not the saviour the FLCCC and other proponents of the drug want us to believe. Their obsession with ivermectin is not data-driven."

    So, you're not wrong. The point is, don't put it in your body unless you're part of a clinical trial that's asked you to do so.

    Or, you're taking it for one of it's known actual functions.

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  • From TheMemeWarrior@VERT/TMBBS to BORAXMAN on Sat Jan 8 13:12:00 2022
    This is correct. If Ivermectin is shown to be beneficial, there will be an immediate large scale demand, that other manufacturers will be able to fill immediately.

    Yes, but how do you tell whether it provides benefits or not that is not anecdotal evidence? Clinical Trials. When the USA and Europe complete
    their clinical trials then we will have solid data. You can keep track
    of the trials at clinicaltrials.gov.
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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Boraxman on Sat Jan 8 12:12:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on Sat Jan 08 2022 07:36 pm

    Hey Boraxman,

    I forgot to say it in my last response, but I do appreciate the thought you've put in to each one of these responses. Truly!

    Luckily it seems the new variant will displace the earliers with a less deadly version.

    Yes, that's what it's looking like and holy heck I hope we're really at the beginning of the end (by 'end' I do mean a 'new normal' where we live with it).

    Please tell me you're not referring to "Americuhs Frontline Doctors".
    I didn't have America's doctors specifically in mind.

    ok, was just referring to a wacky anti-vaxx group that's made plenty of misinformation noise.


    True, but this is not new. we have been deciding to keep going out with the flu or a minor cold for years. How many people have we killed because 10 years ago we "soldiered on" at work.

    Some, sure, and that's a good point, too. It would be great if we could get a grasp on this separate issue of working people to death, prioritizing coming in to the office above all else, etc. These are separate issues but absolutely a large, stupid problem.


    i do take your point, but there has always been some degree of decision making which has affected others. cjildren and pedestrians dead because of another persons decision to drive. Transmission of other doseases.

    Yup, and as per above, maybe we're just about at the point where we can live with the less dangerous mutations. In Canada, we're starting to talk about possibly mandatory vaccinations or other things we can do to not allow the non-vaccinated to plug up the hospitals, reducing all capacity for elective surgeries, delaying cancer treatments, etc.

    We live with everything else and make safety standards all over the place. Put your damn seatbelt on! heh


    Then we have climate change, and our collective deadly actions.

    Yeah, but this is now 'whatabout'ism. Yes, there's other things that kill us, but we were just discussing some other nonsense relating to the pandemic.


    risk to others. But I also think we have to accept the background risk to us, from freedom others have wont be zero.

    Sure, we do, every day with hundreds of little items. Some risks have been deemed non-acceptable by our authorities in this pandemic, and there's been *temporary* measures put in place to try and mitigate those.


    I,m in Australia, we had very strong lockdowns, moreso than NZ: covid is everywhere now. The leaders are now doing a 180 saying its not a big deal.

    We're certainly not getting that messaging here. "Less deadly" vs. "not a big deal" are pretty different, so I'm glad we haven't seen that.

    anyway, I think the US is broken culturally, so from a US perspective, everything is broken.

    Heh, I had to chuckle at that.

    We need to restore faith in authorities, and institutions, but I think some of the rhetoric against "anti-vaxxers" and "conspiracy theorists" has been cointer productive. By speakong of people as "the other", you only cement and expand their distrust of experts. This is what I object to. A more conciliatory approach would result in less division.

    Well, this is true, there appears to be pretty good evidence that one doesn't get one convinced of something by putting them in a "them" box, nor by getting one's self put in the "them" box. Unfortunately, far too many online are sitting behind a device figuring they're going to create an effective grass-roots effort to convince the world that everyone who's not like them is a crackpot, or worse.

    However, when one's starting point is pushing misinformation in an aggressive fashion, it's hard to do much but say 'get stuffed'.

    There is no incentive for companies like Merck to see a study on Ivermectin succeed. There is little incentive to spend the money and time to do it right.

    Maybe not quite so much for Merck, but then why is anyone studying it at all? I'm not sure I understand this point.

    I don't work for Pfizer, but strategic decisions are made high up, and by

    Aaaand... how does this play out for you in regards to Ivermectin being used for COVID? Is there a direct correlation here or just the point that people are influenceable?

    I find the term "freedumb", implying that freedom is dumb, or the aspiration for freedom is dumb highly concerning.

    It's not meant to suggest that in the least, actually. It's a mockery of people who are claiming their freedoms are being infringed upon because they can't go to their favourite restaurant (or gym or whatever). The world's smallest violins play for these people.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Trikester on Sat Jan 8 23:44:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Trikester to Boraxman on Sat Jan 08 2022 05:12 pm

    It's not meant to suggest that in the least, actually. It's a mockery of peo who are claiming their freedoms are being infringed upon because they can't to their favourite restaurant (or gym or whatever). The world's smallest violins play for these people.


    The issue is not being unable to walk into your favourite restaurant.

    The issue is we are creating a surveillance and enforcement machinery as the world has never seen before and we are complying because we are scared and we want the crisis to end.

    The stuff they are doing in Australia and New Zealand is outright dystopic. If you get your compliance passport, you get the privilege of the authorities knowing where you go, when you go and who you meet. Everytime you move into a flagged area you need to register your movements with the authorities so they know what you are up to.

    If you walk into a gay bar, the government _knows_. If you walk into a place where some activist group is having a meeting, the government _knows_.

    The most devilish aspect is that the people who is tracked is actually the people who gets their compliance passport, which, in theory, is the people who is not going to be infected. In my opinion, this means the government either 1) thinks the jab campaign is ineffective, so even jabbed people needs to be tracked or 2) is not thinking of healthcare at all when pushing for surveillance systems.

    The people who likes this sort of Communistic Nazi crap are usually ok with it because they think they control the government up top a point. "President Jack is a good guy and does this all for the good of us all. It is only natural for us to allow him to enforce these rules." Then, elections happen and some asshole from hell takes power, and everybody runs for cover because President Asshole has all the totalitarian weapons we created for good Jack.

    Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was ok with Freenode owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then an alleged Trump supported purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants because an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists data.

    The second issue is that compliance passports are a way of circumventing traditional rights in a way society may accept. Most civilized countries have constitution, Magna Cartas or similar documments that force the government not to do institutional discrimination. What compliance passports do is to put the burden of discriminating non-compliant people on small business so the government does not have to chase after non-compliers. It normalizes the notion that you cannot trade with people who does not have a compliance badge issued by the government.

    Once such mechanism is implemented and accepted by society, it is very, _very_ easy to keep adding requisites to keep your compliance badge, and keep adding penaulties for not having one. Give it a decade and you may find you are banned from getting your groceries if you don t have your papers in order.

    I know it sounds overblown, but my experience with licenses and similar regulations is that they always expand their obtention requisites and the penaulties for not having one. Once you get a dog license, for example, you will have to fullfil additional requerinments each time you need to renew it because some smartass thought you need another certificate that demonstrates you are a good citizen.

    It is an extermination machine designed to destroy non-compliant targets without having to use the military, and it should be acknowledged as such.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to TheMemeWarrior on Sun Jan 9 12:11:00 2022
    That depends on how you conduct the trial, and what you are trying to prove.

    Does it work better when taken with another drug? What dosage? When is best to administer? do you do the trial with people who have only just contracted the virus, or do you look at later stage patients.



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    This is correct. If Ivermectin is shown to be beneficial, there will be an immediate large scale demand, that other manufacturers will be able to fill immediately.

    Yes, but how do you tell whether it provides benefits or not that is
    not anecdotal evidence? Clinical Trials. When the USA and Europe
    complete their clinical trials then we will have solid data. You can
    keep track of the trials at clinicaltrials.gov.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Trikester on Sun Jan 9 12:48:00 2022
    Trikester wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on
    Sat Jan 08 2022 07:36 pm

    Hey Boraxman,

    I forgot to say it in my last response, but I do appreciate the thought you've put in to each one of these responses. Truly!

    Luckily it seems the new variant will displace the earliers with a less deadly version.

    Yes, that's what it's looking like and holy heck I hope we're really at the beginning of the end (by 'end' I do mean a 'new normal' where we
    live with it).

    Please tell me you're not referring to "Americuhs Frontline Doctors".
    I didn't have America's doctors specifically in mind.

    ok, was just referring to a wacky anti-vaxx group that's made plenty of misinformation noise.

    Excuse my terse responses as I am typing this using multimail while SSHing into a rasperry pi on a blackberry style mobile. Typing is difficult.

    True, but this is not new. we have been deciding to keep going out with the flu or a minor cold for years. How many people have we killed because 10 years ago we "soldiered on" at work.

    Some, sure, and that's a good point, too. It would be great if we could get a grasp on this separate issue of working people to death, prioritizing coming in to the office above all else, etc. These are separate issues but absolutely a large, stupid problem.

    In Victoria, COVID raged through some old age homes, and killed quite a few there. We were so preoccupied with ourselves, we didn't focus our quarantine efforts. This was something I warned about.

    While I would have taken great pains to ensure I dont give my brother covid, I was less worried about my children getting it.

    We did risk management poorly.

    i do take your point, but there has always been some degree of decision making which has affected others. cjildren and pedestrians dead because of another persons decision to drive. Transmission of other doseases.

    Yup, and as per above, maybe we're just about at the point where we can live with the less dangerous mutations. In Canada, we're starting to
    talk about possibly mandatory vaccinations or other things we can do to not allow the non-vaccinated to plug up the hospitals, reducing all capacity for elective surgeries, delaying cancer treatments, etc.

    We live with everything else and make safety standards all over the
    place. Put your damn seatbelt on! heh

    I think at this point it may be beneficial for freshly vaccinated people with no comorbidities to seek Omicron. As for hospitals, the issue isnt unvaxxed. It is our society which doesnt mant to pay for hospital beds not in use. We cut back, cut back, assuming that we will never need a reserve capacity. Now the governmentm in the face of a medical emergency is blaming citizens instead of themselves. Reminds me of the EU financial crisis when they were trying to blame some Greek goat herder for their fiscal failures.

    Thats my take. We were unprepared because neoliberalism and "economic rationalism" just cannot cope with anything but business as usual.

    Then we have climate change, and our collective deadly actions.

    Yeah, but this is now 'whatabout'ism. Yes, there's other things that
    kill us, but we were just discussing some other nonsense relating to
    the pandemic.


    risk to others. But I also think we have to accept the background risk to us, from freedom others have wont be zero.

    Sure, we do, every day with hundreds of little items. Some risks have
    been deemed non-acceptable by our authorities in this pandemic, and there's been *temporary* measures put in place to try and mitigate
    those.

    I hope they are temporary, but I worry that some of these measures will come back for other reasons.

    I,m in Australia, we had very strong lockdowns, moreso than NZ: covid is everywhere now. The leaders are now doing a 180 saying its not a big deal.

    We're certainly not getting that messaging here. "Less deadly" vs. "not
    a big deal" are pretty different, so I'm glad we haven't seen that.

    anyway, I think the US is broken culturally, so from a US perspective, everything is broken.

    Heh, I had to chuckle at that.

    We need to restore faith in authorities, and institutions, but I think some of the rhetoric against "anti-vaxxers" and "conspiracy theorists" has been cointer productive. By speakong of people as "the other", you only cement and expand their distrust of experts. This is what I object to. A more conciliatory approach would result in less division.

    Well, this is true, there appears to be pretty good evidence that one doesn't get one convinced of something by putting them in a "them" box, nor by getting one's self put in the "them" box. Unfortunately, far too many online are sitting behind a device figuring they're going to
    create an effective grass-roots effort to convince the world that
    everyone who's not like them is a crackpot, or worse.

    However, when one's starting point is pushing misinformation in an aggressive fashion, it's hard to do much but say 'get stuffed'.

    I beleive that most (not all, but most) ant vaxxers have genuine concerns. I dont know about your region, but the news media here fed vaccine scpeticism. Now they whine about it.

    There is no incentive for companies like Merck to see a study on Ivermectin succeed. There is little incentive to spend the money and time to do it right.

    Maybe not quite so much for Merck, but then why is anyone studying it
    at all? I'm not sure I understand this point.

    Because its worth a small expenditure. Could be useful if immedialty found.

    But the trial also has to examine treatment regimes, timing. A thorough trial would vary the dosage, timing, look at other drugs which may impact effectiveness. Does it work at 7 days? 1 day? With another substance? The more questions you ask, the longer and more expensive the trial gets.

    So a quick trial may look at a specific dosage at a specific timeframe, and may be inconclusive. If you read clinical trial papers, you'll find they look at very specific scenarios as you want to limit your variables.

    Again, my position on Ivermectin is the data is inconclusive, because it is incomplete.

    I don't work for Pfizer, but strategic decisions are made high up, and by

    Aaaand... how does this play out for you in regards to Ivermectin being used for COVID? Is there a direct correlation here or just the point
    that people are influenceable?

    Humans are making decisions as to which trials to fund, what drug deserves what expenditure. It isnt researchers doing what they like, they are working to a strategic plan which has been budgeted. Misinformation from the media could influence decision makers to adjust their expectations. Scientists work to a business plan.

    I'm more than familiar with how money will be pumped into a "favoured" product.
    The clinical trials are sometimes there just to justify what those paying for them want to believe. Sometimes they have already made thier mind on whether a product is effective, and they want the trial to confirm their prejidice. If you want to male money doing trials (these are often outsourced), you need to understand this.

    A proper, thorough investigation of Ivermectin is too costly and time consuming. I see too many problems with it. It will remain as an "off label" use product, but I dont see a problem with offlabel use.

    The FDA warnings are just standard regulatory statements, they dont mean what people think it means.

    The whole fuss, but both supporters and detractors is a misunderstanding. It is economics, not science which really shape the debate.

    I find the term "freedumb", implying that freedom is dumb, or the aspiration for freedom is dumb highly concerning.

    It's not meant to suggest that in the least, actually. It's a mockery
    of people who are claiming their freedoms are being infringed upon
    because they can't go to their favourite restaurant (or gym or
    whatever). The world's smallest violins play for these people.

    OK, understood.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Arelor on Sun Jan 9 04:05:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to Trikester on Sun Jan 09 2022 04:44 am

    The stuff they are doing in Australia and New Zealand is outright dystopic. If you get your compliance passport, you get the privilege of the authorities knowing where you go, when you go and who you meet. Everytime you move into a flagged area you need to register your movements with the authorities so they know what you are up to.

    If you walk into a gay bar, the government _knows_. If you walk into a place where some activist group is having a meeting, the government _knows_.

    You're goign to have to provide some information on this as I'm not up on the surveillance programs there.

    In my province, the only restrictions we have here are temporary and minor. The connections one could make about a person being tracked would be tenuous, at best. (for the pandemic management stuff)

    The people who likes this sort of Communistic Nazi crap are usually ok with

    You're going to have to provide some evidence before you starting bringing in the Nazi talk. I can't say I've heard of a single concentration camp going up in the name of COVID. These kinds of comparisons are callous, and disgusting, and show when one has really no clue about historical events.

    Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was ok with Freenode owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then an alleged Trump supported purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants because an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists data.

    You're going to need to provide some background information on that as well. The Freenode takeover was not cool, but I didn't read anything that suggests that anyone should care about the new org having some minor details about activists.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Arelor on Sun Jan 9 07:51:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to Trikester on Sun Jan 09 2022 04:44 am

    If you walk into a gay bar, the government _knows_. If you walk into a place where some activist group is having a meeting, the government _knows_.

    So leave your cell phone at home. :-)
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  • From TheMemeWarrior@VERT/TMBBS to THE LIZARD MASTER on Sun Jan 9 09:22:00 2022
    Some people have postulated that it works when you actually have parasites. Much of the third world does and it appears to work there, but that might be because you don't have the combo of covid and worms after taking it. The data anecdotally bears this out.

    Yeah but anecdotal evidence needs to be taken with a grain of salt. I
    would wait till there is published clinical trial data.
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  • From TheMemeWarrior@VERT/TMBBS to TRIKESTER on Sun Jan 9 09:54:00 2022
    The thing we're looking to fight against here is the notion or
    argument that one should take it. It's not up to laymen to decide.
    Maybe what's more important and problematic is that it's highly
    driven by anti-vaxxers. So it's not really even about taking
    Ivermectin, it's that it's a wonder medicine that keeps 'ya safe as a complete substitute for the vaccination.

    The more you tell them they cant have Ivermectin because it doesnt work,
    but lack the clinical trial data, the more they will think it does work.
    Even with the data some will still think it will fix everything from
    covid to baldness, you'll never convince everyone.

    Most of the "anti-vaxxers" I have talked to are really people do support vaccines but think it hasnt been tested enough and right now its being
    used as large scale global testing without the liability you would have
    with an approved vaccine. The covid mrna vaccines are the first mrna
    vaccines used on humans. It might not be "new" technology but it is the
    first application of the mrna vaccine method being deployed globally.


    A great quote from the article is "Ivermectin may offer a slight benefit
    or a slight harm to people with COVID-19, we still do not know for
    sure, but it is clearly not the saviour the FLCCC and other
    proponents of the drug want us to believe. Their obsession with
    ivermectin is not data-driven."

    which comes back to my point that we dont know and need to wait for the clinical trials to finish and publish.


    So, you're not wrong. The point is, don't put it in your body unless you're part of a clinical trial that's asked you to do so.

    That goes to say with any medication, if you're not prescribed it and
    you dont need it then you shouldnt take it...but I will point out that
    we have a lot more data of what Ivermectin does to the body and it's
    safety than we do with the covid vaccines, which are still undergoing
    efficacy and safety trials.

    And, yes, I am vaccinated. I just believe it is not my place to make
    yours or anyone elses medical decisions due to mass hysteria. Look at
    Omicron, the media is trying to scare you by telling you its way more contagious but then leave out that it is a lot more milder and lung
    tissue infection is much lower than the original strain.



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  • From TheMemeWarrior@VERT/TMBBS to ARELOR on Sun Jan 9 10:12:00 2022
    Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was ok with Freenode owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then
    an alleged Trump supported purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants because an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists data.

    Is that what happened? I took a hiatus from an opensource project and
    came back to find out they switched IRC networks.
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  • From TheMemeWarrior@VERT/TMBBS to BORAXMAN on Sun Jan 9 10:17:00 2022
    That depends on how you conduct the trial, and what you are trying to prove.

    Does it work better when taken with another drug? What dosage? When is best to
    administer? do you do the trial with people who have only just contracted the
    virus, or do you look at later stage patients.

    Yup, that is why clinical trials are important because they come up with
    test parameters to keep the variables the same. If there is promise as a treatment then they'll conduct other testing too. It will take a long
    time but at least it wont be anecdotal and potentially lead to other applications.


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    Arelor wrote to Trikester <=-


    It's not meant to suggest that in the least, actually. It's a mockery of peo who are claiming their freedoms are being infringed upon because they can't to their favourite restaurant (or gym or whatever). The world's smallest violins play for these people.


    The issue is not being unable to walk into your favourite restaurant.

    The issue is we are creating a surveillance and enforcement machinery
    as the world has never seen before and we are complying because we are scared and we want the crisis to end.

    The stuff they are doing in Australia and New Zealand is outright dystopic. If you get your compliance passport, you get the privilege of the authorities knowing where you go, when you go and who you meet. Everytime you move into a flagged area you need to register your
    movements with the authorities so they know what you are up to.

    If you walk into a gay bar, the government _knows_. If you walk into a place where some activist group is having a meeting, the government _knows_.

    The most devilish aspect is that the people who is tracked is actually
    the people who gets their compliance passport, which, in theory, is the people who is not going to be infected. In my opinion, this means the government either 1) thinks the jab campaign is ineffective, so even jabbed people needs to be tracked or 2) is not thinking of healthcare
    at all when pushing for surveillance systems.

    The people who likes this sort of Communistic Nazi crap are usually ok with it because they think they control the government up top a point. "President Jack is a good guy and does this all for the good of us all.
    It is only natural for us to allow him to enforce these rules." Then, elections happen and some asshole from hell takes power, and everybody runs for cover because President Asshole has all the totalitarian
    weapons we created for good Jack.

    Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was ok with Freenode owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then an alleged Trump supported purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants because an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists data.

    The second issue is that compliance passports are a way of
    circumventing traditional rights in a way society may accept. Most civilized countries have constitution, Magna Cartas or similar
    documments that force the government not to do institutional discrimination. What compliance passports do is to put the burden of discriminating non-compliant people on small business so the government does not have to chase after non-compliers. It normalizes the notion
    that you cannot trade with people who does not have a compliance badge issued by the government.

    Once such mechanism is implemented and accepted by society, it is very, _very_ easy to keep adding requisites to keep your compliance badge,
    and keep adding penaulties for not having one. Give it a decade and you may find you are banned from getting your groceries if you don t have
    your papers in order.

    I know it sounds overblown, but my experience with licenses and similar regulations is that they always expand their obtention requisites and
    the penaulties for not having one. Once you get a dog license, for example, you will have to fullfil additional requerinments each time
    you need to renew it because some smartass thought you need another certificate that demonstrates you are a good citizen.

    It is an extermination machine designed to destroy non-compliant
    targets without having to use the military, and it should be
    acknowledged as such.


    True. We have to check in everywhre, though some establishments are lax about it. I am in Australia, and daily life is now being monitored and tracked with these apps. It isnt just bars, clubs, its ANY building. Even playgrounds. Walk into a mall, you not only check in at the mall, but each shop within.

    They get your data, but if you are a tier 2 contact, they don't bother telling you. They are gathering the data, but now using it all that effectively for your benefit. But surveillance isnt about protecting you. People here are sick of it.

    By the way, we have already had a case or two (that we know of, I woulndn't be suprised if there are more we don't know of) where law enforcement had access to that check in data for their benefit. At this point, it is about compliance, not safety. Maybe it was always about compliance. You get tracked, monitored, but no benefit. Contact tracing has all but collapsed, yet peopke still check in like sheep.

    Vaccine mandates are also here in full force.

    What a thing is for, can be jusged by what it does. Of what it does is primarily gather data on your movements, then that is its purpose.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Trikester on Sun Jan 9 15:33:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Trikester to Arelor on Sun Jan 09 2022 09:05 am

    You're goign to have to provide some information on this as I'm not up on th surveillance programs there.


    The idea is as follows:

    Any dangerous event or location is to have a trackable code assigned. The event or location then displays the code as a QR scanneable item for every attendant to check.

    Attendants have a smartphone with a COVID application which works as a compliance certificate. When he wants to go into the event, he must use the application to scan the code. The smartphone notifies the central authorities that the attendant has gone to the codified location and the application turns green. In theory there has to be access control to check people's certificate checks upon scanning but I don't know how seriously they are taking it.

    Freenoders freaking out was something I read on a bunch of IRC channels I didn't bother to log (I don't personally log anything) and also in some darknets. IRC being IRC I doubt most of the conversations have been stored anywhere in web form. MOst of the concerns related to people being worried that a Trumpster who was going to kill all the gays and blacks now had a list of emails linked to user accounts, which could be correlated to the channels those users frequented.

    Some people thinks some quarantine centers they are building in Australia look like military complexes so maybe those are your modern age concentration camps :-) I don't know why you would accuse me of not having a clue about historical events since despotism is timeless. Spanish Falangists today are not the same as Spanish Falangists in the 30s. If I brought up Falangism in relation to something modern Falangists are doing, would you say I have no clue about historical events because early Falangists did things differently?

    No. The defining attribute of Falangists is that they are Nationalists, Socialists, and they think democracy brings no good and that the best of Spaniards should be the leader of the government. Whether they kill people today as they used to do 90 years ago is a moot point. Heck, I don't need to know who Primo de Rivera or On‚simo Redondo or any of the personalities linked to the Falange were in order to identify Falangist activity. If somebody is a Nationalist, a Socialist, wants a General to rule the government and is Spanish, I don't need to know the least bit of history to be sure such guy is a Falangist.

    Well, then I don't need to know who Charles V was to know what a monarchist is. And nobody needs to know who Joseph Goebbels was to detect sly play from politicians.

    By the way, my parents where born in this country while there still was an active Fascist government. Spain also has the dubious honor of being the only country in which anarcho-syndicalism took control of a sizeable portion of the territory for a meaningful ammount of time. Both political forces are still alive and acting upon the same principles to this day - even if they are weaker than they used to be - so don't you dare tell me I have no clue of what totalitarians look like.

    Not that it matters.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Digital Man on Sun Jan 9 15:38:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Digital Man to Arelor on Sun Jan 09 2022 12:51 pm

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to Trikester on Sun Jan 09 2022 04:44 am

    If you walk into a gay bar, the government _knows_. If you walk into a pl where some activist group is having a meeting, the government _knows_.

    So leave your cell phone at home. :-)

    I only use my phones for work. The rest of the time they are locked and I don't even have them on me.

    Besides, there is a big, big difference between having an ISP be capable of placing you on a map and handling a government or a corporation a detailed, pre-processed list of the places you have been to and the people you have been with or potentially been with.

    Seriously, the phone argument gets really old. Everytime somebody tells me "if you are so paranoid turn off your phone" I happen to have the phone turned off at home.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to TheMemeWarrior on Sun Jan 9 15:44:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: TheMemeWarrior to ARELOR on Sun Jan 09 2022 03:12 pm

    Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was ok with Freeno owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then
    an alleged Trump supported purchased the system and everybody shitted the pants because an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists data.

    Is that what happened? I took a hiatus from an opensource project and
    came back to find out they switched IRC networks.

    What happened is that some guy purchased the network some years ago, and the administrators were not notified (or if they were, they were not notified of the implications).

    Then, one day most administrators abbandonned and founded their own network, and campaigned for everybody to leave freenode and join the new network, arguing thatFreenode had suffered an hostile takeover. THe new owner's alleged political ideas were widely used as an argument for leaving Freenode.

    Then there is the fact that, upon finding himself with no administrators and having to bring replacements, the new owner demonstrated not to know how to run a network of these characteristics.

    THat is the quick summary, really. As with all these dramas, there are lots of people arguing for different points of view and calling the other side the devil.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to TheMemeWarrior on Sun Jan 9 12:17:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: TheMemeWarrior to TRIKESTER on Sun Jan 09 2022 02:54 pm

    which comes back to my point that we dont know and need to wait for the clinical trials to finish and publish.

    Who does? Like, what is your point here? It's OK to not wait and praise Ivermectin for non-proven uses, but it's not OK to point out it isn't proven useful for anything besides what it's useful for?

    Like, what is your point here?

    we have a lot more data of what Ivermectin does to the body and it's
    safety than we do with the covid vaccines, which are still undergoing

    Poppycock. How many doses of COVID vaccines have been given out? That data's emerged pretty quickly, and this wasn't invented yesterday.

    Omicron, the media is trying to scare you by telling you its way more contagious but then leave out that it is a lot more milder and lung
    tissue infection is much lower than the original strain.

    Maybe in your media? I'm not sure what you're seeing. It seems pretty straightforward here - and the messaging is still pretty clear that with the booster shot, it still reduces the trips to the hospital compared to unvaccinated.

    Still, I have to ask, as this topic just goes round and round and round - what is your point?

    The point I was making many messages ago was that people should stop promoting Ivermectin as it's not promoted by sane community at all. It's pretty basic.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Boraxman on Sun Jan 9 12:39:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on Sun Jan 09 2022 05:48 pm

    Excuse my terse responses as I am typing this using multimail while SSHing into a rasperry pi on a blackberry style mobile. Typing is difficult.

    No worries at all!

    While I would have taken great pains to ensure I dont give my brother covid, I was less worried about my children getting it.

    We did risk management poorly.

    I think that happened in many places. Wishy-washy-ness due to a partial lack of understanding of what was coming, perhaps, but definitely a huge problem with our leaders being so worried about "theconermy"... heh, the economy. Sooooo much garbage pressure to "get things back to normal" after the first wave + lockdown. I wonder if they knew then what we all know now, if they'd have worked just a little harder to understand how much more things were going to cost due to getting back to the old normal quickly.


    I think at this point it may be beneficial for freshly vaccinated people with no comorbidities to seek Omicron. As for hospitals, the issue isnt

    I'm not there at all yet. Even if Omicron is milder, and still less of a risk for those of us with all our shots (and free 5G is awesome, btw), it would be like going around licking doorknobs just to get the latest strain of the flu. You'd think someone was insane.

    capacity. Now the governmentm in the face of a medical emergency is blaming citizens instead of themselves. Reminds me of the EU financial crisis when

    In that they're blaming antivaxxers, or just 'the people'? We're seeing some pushback here toward antivaxxers here, and talk (that I don't think will go anywhere) about mandatory vaccinations.

    Thats my take. We were unprepared because neoliberalism and "economic rationalism" just cannot cope with anything but business as usual.

    Absolutely.

    It's like when we hear people talk about their fears in relation to "theconermy" when the topic of transitioning to clean energy or everything else involved in cutting back / reversing climate change goes. It seems that the concept of "there is no economy where there are no more humans left" is just ungrokkable.

    Sure, we do, every day with hundreds of little items. Some risks have been deemed non-acceptable by our authorities in this pandemic, and there's been *temporary* measures put in place to try and mitigate those.

    I hope they are temporary, but I worry that some of these measures will come back for other reasons.

    I guess time will tell on this one, but I suspect that most democracies won't tolerate pandemic restrictions (or their like) so much when there's no need.

    I know this could lead to many other examples of restrictions we already tolerate and that's certainly not my intention. I'm just saying that time will tell on this one.

    I beleive that most (not all, but most) ant vaxxers have genuine concerns.
    I dont know about your region, but the news media here fed vaccine scpeticism. Now they whine about it.

    It's not that they don't have valid concerns, or didn't have valid concerns initially, it's just the inability to digest what's real from what's not seems to be lost on many. The ability to process evidence, and maybe most importantly, the ability to allow one's self to be wrong. The "You are not so smart" podcast has an excellent episode about talking to anti-vaxxers, and one of the big issues seems to be people would rather die an actual death than a social death.

    To me that's kind of a wild concept, but it seems to have merit.

    The whole fuss, but both supporters and detractors is a misunderstanding. It is economics, not science which really shape the debate.

    I still not with 'ya on that one, though. I think misinformation trolls are doing dangerous things to those who will listen.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to TheMemeWarrior on Sun Jan 9 16:24:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: TheMemeWarrior to ARELOR on Sun Jan 09 2022 03:12 pm

    Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was ok with Freenode owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then
    an alleged Trump supported purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants because an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists data.

    Is that what happened? I took a hiatus from an opensource project and
    came back to find out they switched IRC networks.

    i thought that guy that 'purchased' it was funding it for a long time and doing everything for it anyways.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Mon Jan 10 09:40:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to Trikester on Sun Jan 09 2022 04:44 am

    Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was o
    with Freenode owning the emails, passwords and account
    information of known activists. Then an alleged Trump suppor
    purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants becau
    an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists data.
    Was all that fuss about Freenode just about support for Trump?
    Is that the real reason people were in a tizzy?

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Trikester on Sun Jan 9 22:40:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Trikester to Boraxman on Sun Jan 09 2022 05:39 pm

    It's not that they don't have valid concerns, or didn't have valid concerns initially, it's just the inability to digest what's real from what's not see to be lost on many. The ability to process evidence, and maybe most importantly, the ability to allow one's self to be wrong. The "You are not s smart" podcast has an excellent episode about talking to anti-vaxxers, and o of the big issues seems to be people would rather die an actual death than a social death.


    "Dying an actual death rather than a social death" is just modern wording for "I'd rather die on my own terms rather than having a life not worht living."

    The concept is not new. This is why there are debates about euthanasia laws. And this is why Numancia citizens decided to burn the city to the ground themselves with them inside rather than let the Romans take it and enslave everybody.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Boraxman on Sun Jan 9 22:41:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Mon Jan 10 2022 02:40 pm

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to Trikester on Sun Jan 09 2022 04:44 am

    Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was o with Freenod owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then an alleged Trump suppor purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants becau an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists da
    Was all that fuss about Freenode just about support for Trump? Is that the r reason people were in a tizzy?


    No, that was not the reason, but some people used the argument in an attempt to prove the new owner meant bad news for the network and was dangerous.

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  • From TheMemeWarrior@VERT/TMBBS to ARELOR on Sun Jan 9 22:27:00 2022
    THat is the quick summary, really. As with all these dramas, there are lots of
    people arguing for different points of view and calling the other side the devil.

    I think you just summed up the cesspool known as twitter. ;)
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  • From TheMemeWarrior@VERT/TMBBS to TRIKESTER on Mon Jan 10 01:42:00 2022
    Who does? Like, what is your point here? It's OK to not wait and
    praise Ivermectin for non-proven uses, but it's not OK to point out
    it isn't proven useful for anything besides what it's useful for?

    Creating a straw man argument is not the way to prove yourself right. I
    never said to not wait but that we need the data. You were pretty
    adamant that the data said it wasnt helpful at all in your first
    response to me.

    Poppycock. How many doses of COVID vaccines have been given out?
    That data's emerged pretty quickly, and this wasn't invented
    yesterday.

    No, the vaccine wasnt invented yesterday. It was invented in 2020 and is
    the first mRNA vaccine that has been tested on humans and on the
    world population instead of controlled environments first.
    Good luck trying to sue the drug makers if something goes wrong though.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation- lawsuit.html

    Best part is you cant prove me wrong because you have no clinical trial
    data to show it was tested.


    Like, what is your point here?

    The point is that I find it funny you think we know much less about a
    drug that has been on the market for decades but we know the safety of a
    new vaccine that was pushed to market the same year it was developed
    and its the first of its kind. Please dont tell me you "trust the
    science" since you obviously dont see the point of doing proper
    science.

    Maybe in your media? I'm not sure what you're seeing. It seems pretty straightforward here - and the messaging is still pretty clear that
    with the booster shot, it still reduces the trips to the hospital
    compared to unvaccinated.

    My media? I wasnt aware the WHO and CDC are media.

    The point I was making many messages ago was that people should stop promoting Ivermectin as it's not promoted by sane community at all.
    It's pretty basic.

    No, your messaging was that it does help manage covid. In fact, here is
    a quote from one of your previous replies to me.

    "The evidence is getting pretty clear - it hasn't been helpful with
    COVID."

    That isnt a message against promoting a drug because it hasnt been
    proven yet that it could treat covid. It is a message that implies we
    had hard data and it doesnt help, which is false.

    Still, I have to ask, as this topic just goes round and round and
    round - what is your point?

    Hmmm... it does but only because one of us isnt arguing for the
    science. ;)



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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to TheMemeWarrior on Mon Jan 10 03:18:00 2022
    TheMemeWarrior wrote to TRIKESTER <=-

    The more you tell them they cant have Ivermectin because it doesnt
    work, but lack the clinical trial data, the more they will think it
    does work.

    Ivermectin has already been proven to work in other countries.

    Most of the "anti-vaxxers" I have talked to are really people do
    support vaccines but think it hasnt been tested enough and right now
    its being used as large scale global testing without the liability you would have with an approved vaccine.

    Right. Such untested "vaccines" (since they to not provide any immunity, they`jare not "vaccines") made sense when they were for the high risk. Those people had a high probability of dying if they got COVID. If the not-vax harmed them, they were no worse off. But there is 0 evidence that everyone needs the not-vax and plenty of evidence showing that it's detremental.

    The covid mrna vaccines are the
    first mrna vaccines used on humans. It might not be "new" technology
    but it is the first application of the mrna vaccine method being
    deployed globally.

    Yup. It's not new and the failure rate of the MRNA stuff has been 100%. Now we are being told that they got it right this time. Sorry, but that triggers my BS indicator.

    which comes back to my point that we dont know and need to wait for the clinical trials to finish and publish.

    Yes, we do know. But we have to look at other countries for that information because everything around COVID has been politicized here in the U.S.

    It's impossible to have clinincal trials when the gov't Elites override the medical professionals.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Mon Jan 10 04:46:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Mon Jan 10 2022 02:40 pm

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to Trikester on Sun Jan 09 2022 04:44 am

    Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was o with Freenode owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then an alleged Trump suppor purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants becau an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists data.
    Was all that fuss about Freenode just about support for Trump? Is that the real reason people were in a tizzy?

    it was just a lot of irc drama.

    but it appears that some of these schmucks were referring to anti trump
    this is from slashdot

    As it is now known, the Freenode IRC network has been taken over by a "narcissistic Trumpian wannabe korean royalty bitcoins millionaire," [writes (former) staff member Marco d'Itri

    "Fuck you Christel, lilo's life work did not deserve this"

    oh god, what a laugh. that lilo guy was a loser who survived on donations. he was a real scam artist.

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  • From Greenlfc@VERT/BEERS20 to Trikester on Mon Jan 10 02:45:00 2022
    On 08 Jan 2022, Trikester said the following...

    So, you're not wrong. The point is, don't put it in your body unless you're part of a clinical trial that's asked you to do so.

    Or, you're taking it for one of it's known actual functions.


    What's the harm in using it? We live in a world where people take drugs off-label all the time. If someone chooses to use Ivermectin (whose dosage and side effects are well known and cataloged) instead of whatever you think they should take, how are you harmed? How is the patient harmed? At worst they've taken an ineffective but otherwise harmless medication, same as if they'd tried to treat it with essential oils. Either way it's another data point (if only anecdotal).

    Of course, if we didn't live in a nanny state that required prescriptions for everything, we wouldn't really be having this conversation.

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  • From Greenlfc@VERT/BEERS20 to TheMemeWarrior on Mon Jan 10 02:57:00 2022
    On 10 Jan 2022, TheMemeWarrior said the following...

    Best part is you cant prove me wrong because you have no clinical trial data to show it was tested.


    Game, set, match to TMW. :D

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Greenlfc on Mon Jan 10 06:23:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Greenlfc to TheMemeWarrior on Mon Jan 10 2022 07:57 am

    On 10 Jan 2022, TheMemeWarrior said the following...

    Best part is you cant prove me wrong because you have no clinical trial data to show it was tested.


    Game, set, match to TMW. :D

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Greenlfc on Mon Jan 10 07:04:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Greenlfc to Trikester on Mon Jan 10 2022 07:45 am

    On 08 Jan 2022, Trikester said the following...

    So, you're not wrong. The point is, don't put it in your body unless you're part of a clinical trial that's asked you to do so.

    Or, you're taking it for one of it's known actual functions.


    What's the harm in using it? We live in a world where people take drugs off-label all the time. If someone chooses to use Ivermectin (whose dosage side effects are well known and cataloged) instead of whatever you think the should take, how are you harmed? How is the patient harmed? At worst they' taken an ineffective but otherwise harmless medication, same as if they'd tr to treat it with essential oils. Either way it's another data point (if onl anecdotal).

    Of course, if we didn't live in a nanny state that required prescriptions fo everything, we wouldn't really be having this conversation.

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    I have not been following the Invermectine studies much. My horses don't like it so it can't be that good :-)

    Now seriously, what I have heard from doctors here is that the dosage upon which Invermectine had a chance of being helpful (according to preliminary reports) is very close to being a dangerous dose. Invermectine is dangerous if taken lightly.

    This was a while ago so I don't know if any new information has come up.

    I have heard of very possitive results using ozone concentrators. We actually had a Spanish Doctor who went to South America ask us for permission for using our ozone concentrator, since it seems seems results with ozone were promising.


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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to TheMemeWarrior on Mon Jan 10 06:04:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: TheMemeWarrior to TRIKESTER on Mon Jan 10 2022 06:42 am

    Creating a straw man argument is not the way to prove yourself right. I never said to not wait but that we need the data. You were pretty
    adamant that the data said it wasnt helpful at all in your first
    response to me.

    It's been put in to practise in some pretty big cases, and shown to not be at all effective and withdrawn. Make of it what you will.

    You may want to look up what a straw man argument is, as I don't think it means what you think it does.

    The point is that I find it funny you think we know much less about a
    drug that has been on the market for decades but we know the safety of a
    new vaccine that was pushed to market the same year it was developed
    and its the first of its kind. Please dont tell me you "trust the
    science" since you obviously dont see the point of doing proper
    science.

    Blather.

    Nobody's been able to show efficacy for Ivermectin against COVID. The COVID vaccine rollouts are amongst the most successful in history.

    Again, make of it what you will. You still seem to have no point aside from now trying to discredit some pretty plain observations that are made based on events that have occurred pretty recently.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Dr. What on Mon Jan 10 06:04:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to TheMemeWarrior on Mon Jan 10 2022 08:18 am

    Ivermectin has already been proven to work in other countries.

    No, it hasn't. There's no such thing.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Greenlfc on Mon Jan 10 06:05:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Greenlfc to Trikester on Mon Jan 10 2022 07:45 am

    What's the harm in using it? We live in a world where people take drugs off-label all the time. If someone chooses to use Ivermectin (whose dosage and side effects are well known and cataloged) instead of whatever you think they should take, how are you harmed? How is the patient harmed? At worst

    If you have no idea how unvaccinated people harm others, then there's not much to help with here. Sorry.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Trikester on Mon Jan 10 10:16:00 2022
    Hello Trikester!

    ** On Sunday 09.01.22 - 17:17, Trikester wrote to TheMemeWarrior:

    Maybe in your media? I'm not sure what you're seeing. It seems pretty straightforward here - and the messaging is still pretty clear that with the booster shot, it still reduces the trips to the hospital compared to unvaccinated.

    "As of Saturday, the official numbers[*] show that of 278
    Ontarians in intensive care due to COVID-19, 123 of them are
    unvaccinated . Of the 1,925 who are in Ontario hospitals
    without requiring intensive care, meanwhile, 457 are
    unvaccinated against 1,353 fully vaccinated." [NationalPost]

    [*]official numbers = https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/ hospitalizations#hospitalizationsByVaccinationStatus

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Tue Jan 11 03:16:00 2022
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    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on
    Mon Jan 10 2022 02:40 pm

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to Trikester on Sun Jan 09 2022 04:44 am

    Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was o with Freenod owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then an alleged Trump suppor purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants becau an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists da
    Was all that fuss about Freenode just about support for Trump? Is that the r reason people were in a tizzy?


    No, that was not the reason, but some people used the argument in an attempt to prove the new owner meant bad news for the network and was dangerous.

    I heard some drama, but can't remember what the issue was. Sometimes these Silicon Valley types are just silly.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Tue Jan 11 03:22:00 2022
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    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Mon Jan 10 2022 02:40 pm

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to Trikester on Sun Jan 09 2022 04:44 am

    Kind of reminds me of the Freenode takeover. Everybody was o with Freenode owning the emails, passwords and account information of known activists. Then an alleged Trump suppor purchased the system and everybody shitted their pants becau an unstrusted party had access to the gay activists data.
    Was all that fuss about Freenode just about support for Trump? Is that the real reason people were in a tizzy?

    it was just a lot of irc drama.

    but it appears that some of these schmucks were referring to anti trump this is from slashdot

    As it is now known, the Freenode IRC network has been taken over by a "narcissistic Trumpian wannabe korean royalty bitcoins millionaire," [writes (former) staff member Marco d'Itri

    "Fuck you Christel, lilo's life work did not deserve this"

    oh god, what a laugh. that lilo guy was a loser who survived on donations. he was a real scam artist.

    To think how rapidly the US devolved from producing Wozniaks, Ritchies, Thompsons and other luminaries to this.

    Its Lord of the Flies, but without the survival skills.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Trikester on Tue Jan 11 03:54:00 2022
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    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on
    Sun Jan 09 2022 05:48 pm

    Excuse my terse responses as I am typing this using multimail while SSHing into a rasperry pi on a blackberry style mobile. Typing is difficult.

    No worries at all!

    While I would have taken great pains to ensure I dont give my brother covid, I was less worried about my children getting it.

    We did risk management poorly.

    I think that happened in many places. Wishy-washy-ness due to a partial lack of understanding of what was coming, perhaps, but definitely a
    huge problem with our leaders being so worried about "theconermy"...
    heh, the economy. Sooooo much garbage pressure to "get things back to normal" after the first wave + lockdown. I wonder if they knew then
    what we all know now, if they'd have worked just a little harder to understand how much more things were going to cost due to getting back
    to the old normal quickly.

    At the moement we are dealing with shortages here because of staff absences due to covid. Things are picking up here, case rate and death rate. Politicians are walking back their rhetoric to deal with it (allowing people who are sick back to work fasterm reclassifying cases and deaths to resuce the figures).

    Self serving, always has been. They talked tough when they could get away with taking credit for low rates, but now they are changing their tune to save face.


    I think at this point it may be beneficial for freshly vaccinated people with no comorbidities to seek Omicron. As for hospitals, the issue isnt

    I'm not there at all yet. Even if Omicron is milder, and still less of
    a risk for those of us with all our shots (and free 5G is awesome,
    btw), it would be like going around licking doorknobs just to get the latest strain of the flu. You'd think someone was insane.

    I fugure we will all get it. The risk is lowest when the vaccine has been recently administered at full strength. It seems to me, if I have to get it, that is the best time. I cant choose if I get it, only when. some may be able to avoid it, but that will be hard.

    I do not consider "boosters" ad infinitum an acceptable risk.

    capacity. Now the governmentm in the face of a medical emergency is blaming citizens instead of themselves. Reminds me of the EU financial crisis when

    In that they're blaming antivaxxers, or just 'the people'? We're seeing some pushback here toward antivaxxers here, and talk (that I don't
    think will go anywhere) about mandatory vaccinations.

    It is a diversion from the failure of their ideology. Modern neoliberalism isnt designed to cope with history. It is a weak ideology. The West is in decline, evidenced by how crisis lead to a permanent weakening. The ruling elite are trying to survive when they really are obsolete. It is panic, and a fear that their world order is shown to be a failure. China was building beds while the West was still figuring out whether closing the borders is a good idea, or not.

    That is what I see motivate this all. Why there is such hatred for the other.

    Thats my take. We were unprepared because neoliberalism and "economic rationalism" just cannot cope with anything but business as usual.

    Absolutely.

    It's like when we hear people talk about their fears in relation to "theconermy" when the topic of transitioning to clean energy or
    everything else involved in cutting back / reversing climate change
    goes. It seems that the concept of "there is no economy where there are
    no more humans left" is just ungrokkable.

    Sure, we do, every day with hundreds of little items. Some risks have been deemed non-acceptable by our authorities in this pandemic, and there's been *temporary* measures put in place to try and mitigate those.


    it could have been balanced better. "The Economy" also means food on the table, medicine, ambulances, power, clothingm sanitation.

    I dont get this. I worked throughout because I am an essential worker. My economy had to keep going because I produce therapeutics. I needed the raw materials, transportation, pest control, laboratory services, plastics manufacturing, water, supply chain, IT, etc.

    All this was needed just for the therapeutics I release to market. Now add food, clothing, toilet paper, chemists etc.

    we are still facing difficulties with suplly due to economic disruption which is affecting suplly of our products.

    That is what "the economy" is.

    I hope they are temporary, but I worry that some of these measures will come back for other reasons.

    I guess time will tell on this one, but I suspect that most democracies won't tolerate pandemic restrictions (or their like) so much when
    there's no need.

    I know this could lead to many other examples of restrictions we
    already tolerate and that's certainly not my intention. I'm just saying that time will tell on this one.


    Hence why I supoort the protestors.

    I beleive that most (not all, but most) ant vaxxers have genuine concerns.
    I dont know about your region, but the news media here fed vaccine scpeticism. Now they whine about it.

    It's not that they don't have valid concerns, or didn't have valid concerns initially, it's just the inability to digest what's real from what's not seems to be lost on many. The ability to process evidence,
    and maybe most importantly, the ability to allow one's self to be
    wrong. The "You are not so smart" podcast has an excellent episode
    about talking to anti-vaxxers, and one of the big issues seems to be people would rather die an actual death than a social death.

    To me that's kind of a wild concept, but it seems to have merit.

    I think it does have merit. Quality of life is critical. why be alive if it sucks??

    It is also risk appetite. That varies from person to person, and is values driven.

    A lot of people are failing to understand that other people have a different heirachy of values, so they come to different conclusions.

    This idea that there is a scentifically determined best course of action is wrong. Your values determine what is best to do.

    wanting to take a greater risk of death, on order to have a more enriched life is simply a matter of subjective values.

    What is claimed to be a misunderstanding of science is really a matter of values.

    ?
    our society cannot deal with diversity of values systems.

    The whole fuss, but both supporters and detractors is a misunderstanding. It is economics, not science which really shape the debate.

    I still not with 'ya on that one, though. I think misinformation trolls are doing dangerous things to those who will listen.

    They exist, but I think the effect is overstated. I am considered an "anti-vaxxer", but I can agree with "the science". there are many like me. I simply dont accept the risk appetite.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Mon Jan 10 19:45:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to Greenlfc on Mon Jan 10 2022 12:04 pm

    Now seriously, what I have heard from doctors here is that the dosage upon which Invermectine had a chance of being helpful (according to preliminary reports) is very close to being a dangerous dose. Invermectine is dangerous if taken lightly.

    This was a while ago so I don't know if any new information has come up.


    whats the mg of dosage they recommend? i actually took ivermectin before.
    i tested it on myself before giving it to my rats.
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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Trikester on Tue Jan 11 03:08:00 2022
    Trikester wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Ivermectin has already been proven to work in other countries.

    No, it hasn't. There's no such thing.

    And that's why no one cares to "debate" with you. If you cannot accept facts, no discussion is possible.

    But that's the norm for the ignorant left.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to TheMemeWarrior on Tue Jan 11 03:13:00 2022
    TheMemeWarrior wrote to TRIKESTER <=-

    Creating a straw man argument is not the way to prove yourself right.

    But it's how the ignorant Left "debate".

    The point is that I find it funny you think we know much less about a
    drug that has been on the market for decades but we know the safety of
    a new vaccine that was pushed to market the same year it was developed
    and its the first of its kind. Please dont tell me you "trust the
    science" since you obviously dont see the point of doing proper
    science.

    To the Left, "science" is no different from "religion".

    My media? I wasnt aware the WHO and CDC are media.

    They are. They certainly aren't medical professional groups anymore.


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  • From Thumper@VERT/THEWASTE to TheMemeWarrior on Tue Jan 11 03:19:00 2022
    TheMemeWarrior wrote to TRIKESTER <=-

    Who does? Like, what is your point here? It's OK to not wait and
    praise Ivermectin for non-proven uses, but it's not OK to point out
    it isn't proven useful for anything besides what it's useful for?

    Creating a straw man argument is not the way to prove yourself right. I never said to not wait but that we need the data. You were pretty
    adamant that the data said it wasnt helpful at all in your first
    response to me.

    Poppycock. How many doses of COVID vaccines have been given out?
    That data's emerged pretty quickly, and this wasn't invented
    yesterday.

    No, the vaccine wasnt invented yesterday. It was invented in 2020 and
    is the first mRNA vaccine that has been tested on humans and on the
    world population instead of controlled environments first.
    Good luck trying to sue the drug makers if something goes wrong though.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-

    lawsuit.html

    Best part is you cant prove me wrong because you have no clinical trial data to show it was tested.

    I'm starting to be concerned as I've had on Brother-In-Law die from bloodclots in the lungs. Another Brother-In-Law survived the bloodclot in the lungs and now my Dad was rushed to the hospital with a bloodclot in the lungs. Just seems strange.....




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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Ogg on Tue Jan 11 03:54:00 2022
    Re: Booster
    By: Ogg to Trikester on Mon Jan 10 2022 03:16 pm

    "As of Saturday, the official numbers[*] show that of 278
    Ontarians in intensive care due to COVID-19, 123 of them are
    unvaccinated . Of the 1,925 who are in Ontario hospitals
    without requiring intensive care, meanwhile, 457 are
    unvaccinated against 1,353 fully vaccinated." [NationalPost]

    You must have a point here.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Boraxman on Tue Jan 11 04:19:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on Tue Jan 11 2022 08:54 am

    I fugure we will all get it. The risk is lowest when the vaccine has been
    I do not consider "boosters" ad infinitum an acceptable risk.

    "Risk"... Risk of what, exactly?

    Are you aware that things like the polio vaccine in the 50's and 60's required boosters, too, right?

    In that they're blaming antivaxxers, or just 'the people'? We're seeing some pushback here toward antivaxxers here, and talk (that I don't think will go anywhere) about mandatory vaccinations.
    It is a diversion from the failure of their ideology. Modern neoliberalism isnt designed to cope with history. It is a weak ideology. The West is in decline, evidenced by how crisis lead to a permanent weakening. The ruling elite are trying to survive when they really are obsolete. It is panic, and a fear that their world order is shown to be a failure. China was building beds while the West was still figuring out whether closing the borders is a good idea, or not.

    Uh, not going to even touch this. I think you're down some unhealthy roads here.

    Maybe that's due to (and justified by) how things are in Aus at the moment, so I can't comment on them further.

    it could have been balanced better. "The Economy" also means food on the table, medicine, ambulances, power, clothingm sanitation.
    we are still facing difficulties with suplly due to economic disruption which is affecting suplly of our products.
    That is what "the economy" is.

    There was supply disruption, economic disruption is separate.

    Our current economy has to change, there's no doubt about that, but how the money flows to the wealthy (our current economy) is meaningless in that regard. I don't have any sympathy for 'the 'conomy' as it is.


    I know this could lead to many other examples of restrictions we already tolerate and that's certainly not my intention. I'm just saying that time will tell on this one.
    Hence why I supoort the protestors.
    about talking to anti-vaxxers, and one of the big issues seems to be people would rather die an actual death than a social death.
    To me that's kind of a wild concept, but it seems to have merit.
    I think it does have merit. Quality of life is critical. why be alive if it sucks??

    People are such pansies in regards to anything disrupting their miserable way of life as it currently is. The anti-vaxxers have made things worse, and drawn out your crappy western-world vision longer.

    A lot of people are failing to understand that other people have a different heirachy of values, so they come to different conclusions.
    What is claimed to be a misunderstanding of science is really a matter of values.

    Where do you think the different values come from? Listen to an anti-vaxxer for awhile, it ain't "values". It's poorly argued reasoning from a stance of generally gross misinformation.

    They exist, but I think the effect is overstated. I am considered an "anti-vaxxer", but I can agree with "the science". there are many like me. I simply dont accept the risk appetite.

    What risk?

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Dr. What on Tue Jan 11 04:25:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Trikester on Tue Jan 11 2022 08:08 am

    And that's why no one cares to "debate" with you. If you cannot accept facts, no discussion is possible.

    You seem to have blinders on.

    "If you cannot accept facts" - no, sorry, you should be saying "If you cannot accept the horseshit I've decided is fact"

    There's nothing to discuss with someone like you - you can have a circle-jerk with your buddies, but you refuse to do anything but attack people.

    Perhaps start by attempting to fix your 'lefty'-tourettes, troll.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Dr. What on Tue Jan 11 04:26:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to TheMemeWarrior on Tue Jan 11 2022 08:13 am

    But it's how the ignorant Left "debate".
    To the Left, "science" is no different from "religion".

    Such absolutes, black & white, lefty-tourettes.

    Nice job.

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  • From Diamond Dave@VERT/DMINE to Dr. What on Tue Jan 11 12:53:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to TheMemeWarrior on Tue Jan 11 2022 08:13 am

    My media? I wasnt aware the WHO and CDC are media.

    They are. They certainly aren't medical professional groups anymore.

    LOL! Then who do you believe for medical science? Donald Trump? LOOOOOLLLL!!!

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dr. What on Wed Jan 12 04:03:00 2022
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    But it's how the ignorant Left "debate".

    This I've long observed. The "citations please" gambit. You could argue that something happened because you saw it, and they would argue because there isnt "data" or a google hit which conforms it, you are wromg.

    I think a lot of Lefties who claim they are on the side of science, are actually, in practice, as anti-science as the fringe conservatives they level the assucation at.

    Therefore fooling Leftists is easy, just bias the evidence and dont bother investigating that you want to remain considered myth.


    The point is that I find it funny you think we know much less about a
    drug that has been on the market for decades but we know the safety of
    a new vaccine that was pushed to market the same year it was developed
    and its the first of its kind. Please dont tell me you "trust the
    science" since you obviously dont see the point of doing proper
    science.

    To the Left, "science" is no different from "religion".

    My media? I wasnt aware the WHO and CDC are media.

    They are. They certainly aren't medical professional groups anymore.


    Billions of doses, millions of people, countless practitioners. These experiences can be waved away because a multinational corporation hasnt weighed in.

    Today, they would be arguing that Jenner and his smallpox treatment is a quack.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Trikester on Wed Jan 12 07:23:00 2022
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    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on
    Tue Jan 11 2022 08:54 am

    I fugure we will all get it. The risk is lowest when the vaccine has been
    I do not consider "boosters" ad infinitum an acceptable risk.

    "Risk"... Risk of what, exactly?

    Are you aware that things like the polio vaccine in the 50's and 60's required boosters, too, right?

    Boosters every 4 months?

    I nearly lost my mother due to complications (clots). My wife has developed an allergic response since then. I know someone who has also beed adverse effects.

    You are also unaware of the medical advice my familty has received, and how the state has mandated us take it, despite it.

    But to go on, you know my situation better. threaten my livelihood and claim to know better than me.

    You make your decisions, I'll make mine. These vaccines are NEW, yet you speak as if we have decades of data.


    we do NOT know long term effects. The data isn't there.


    In that they're blaming antivaxxers, or just 'the people'? We're seeing some pushback here toward antivaxxers here, and talk (that I don't think will go anywhere) about mandatory vaccinations.
    It is a diversion from the failure of their ideology. Modern neoliberalism isnt designed to cope with history. It is a weak ideology. The West is in decline, evidenced by how crisis lead to a permanent weakening. The ruling elite are trying to survive when they really are obsolete. It is panic, and a fear that their world order is shown to be a failure. China was building beds while the West was still figuring out whether closing the borders is a good idea, or not.

    Uh, not going to even touch this. I think you're down some unhealthy
    roads here.

    Maybe that's due to (and justified by) how things are in Aus at the moment, so I can't comment on them further.

    Its based on what I see. Australia ideologically follows the US, to our deteriment.

    it could have been balanced better. "The Economy" also means food on the table, medicine, ambulances, power, clothingm sanitation.
    we are still facing difficulties with suplly due to economic disruption which is affecting suplly of our products.
    That is what "the economy" is.

    There was supply disruption, economic disruption is separate.

    Our current economy has to change, there's no doubt about that, but how the money flows to the wealthy (our current economy) is meaningless in that regard. I don't have any sympathy for 'the 'conomy' as it is.

    This comes from a position of privilege. Peopke cannot afford to have their businesses forced closed.


    I know this could lead to many other examples of restrictions we already tolerate and that's certainly not my intention. I'm just saying that time will tell on this one.
    Hence why I supoort the protestors.
    about talking to anti-vaxxers, and one of the big issues seems to be people would rather die an actual death than a social death.
    To me that's kind of a wild concept, but it seems to have merit.
    I think it does have merit. Quality of life is critical. why be alive if it sucks??

    People are such pansies in regards to anything disrupting their
    miserable way of life as it currently is. The anti-vaxxers have made things worse, and drawn out your crappy western-world vision longer.

    Our leadership is at fault. We have none. Stop trying to pin it on average people. You are being conned and falling for their BS.

    Let me repeat, our leadership is rubbish. That is the source of the poor handling.
    blaming average joe, I dont buy it.


    A lot of people are failing to understand that other people have a different heirachy of values, so they come to different conclusions.
    What is claimed to be a misunderstanding of science is really a matter of values.

    Where do you think the different values come from? Listen to an anti-vaxxer for awhile, it ain't "values". It's poorly argued reasoning from a stance of generally gross misinformation.

    They exist, but I think the effect is overstated. I am considered an "anti-vaxxer", but I can agree with "the science". there are many like me. I simply dont accept the risk appetite.

    What risk?

    I have taken the vaccine. I am considered an anti vaxxer because I oppose segregation and mandates. I also (based on medical advice) recomended my wife avoid a particular one, and I am not comfortable giving to to my young children without more data.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Boraxman on Tue Jan 11 21:04:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Tue Jan 11 2022 08:16 am

    Was all that fuss about Freenode just about support for Trump? Is that the r rea
    people were in a tizzy?


    No, that was not the reason, but some people used the argument in an attempt t
    prove the new owner meant bad news for the network and was dangerous.

    I heard some drama, but can't remember what the issue was. Sometimes these Silicon
    Valley types are just silly.

    To be perfectly honest, I just think the administrators and the new owner disagreed on
    something, so the administrators kickstarted the wave to doom Freenode.

    That said, the new owner has managed to make Freenode unusable for my purposes, so
    maybe the admins had a point.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Tue Jan 11 21:08:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Arelor on Tue Jan 11 2022 12:45 am

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to Greenlfc on Mon Jan 10 2022 12:04 pm

    Now seriously, what I have heard from doctors here is that the dosage upon which
    Invermectine had a chance of being helpful (according to preliminary reports) is
    very close to being a dangerous dose. Invermectine is dangerous if taken lightly

    This was a while ago so I don't know if any new information has come up.


    whats the mg of dosage they recommend? i actually took ivermectin before.
    i tested it on myself before giving it to my rats.

    Do you mean which Invermectine dosage they are suggesting for COVID treatment? I dunno
    right now but I willtry and corner my boss and ask him today :-)

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Diamond Dave on Wed Jan 12 02:43:00 2022
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    My media? I wasnt aware the WHO and CDC are media.

    They are. They certainly aren't medical professional groups anymore.

    LOL! Then who do you believe for medical science? Donald Trump? LOOOOOLLLL!!!

    I believe what I read and research myself. I don't allow any "expert" tell me to accept what they say as fact without evidence.

    The CDC and WHO have been completely inconsistent and have been caught in too may lies to believe.

    Of course, there are morons who actually listen to politicians for their medical advice. They are getting exactly what they deserve.


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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Tue Jan 11 18:32:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Arelor on Tue Jan 11 2022 12:45 am

    Now seriously, what I have heard from doctors here is that the dosage
    upon which Invermectine had a chance of being helpful (according to
    preliminary reports) is very close to being a dangerous dose.
    Invermectine is dangerous if taken lightly.

    This was a while ago so I don't know if any new information has come
    up.


    whats the mg of dosage they recommend? i actually took ivermectin before. i tested it on myself before giving it to my rats.

    Did your rats have covid? and did they live?

    Ivermectine is pretty safe in the human prescription, I think it's halarious that retards went to cattle feed stores and bought and took Ivermectine for cattle, I call that thining the heard.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Wed Jan 12 08:16:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to MRO on Wed Jan 12 2022 02:08 am


    whats the mg of dosage they recommend? i actually took ivermectin before. i tested it on myself before giving it to my rats.

    Do you mean which Invermectine dosage they are suggesting for COVID treatment? I dunno right now but I willtry and corner my boss and ask him today :-)

    i know there's a per pound dosage and that's what i followed when treating my rats.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Wed Jan 12 08:18:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to MRO on Tue Jan 11 2022 11:32 pm

    Did your rats have covid? and did they live?


    no, this was before covid. i gave it to them as a preventative measure.
    i followed the per pound dosage and they were fine.

    Ivermectine is pretty safe in the human prescription, I think it's halarious that retards went to cattle feed stores and bought and took Ivermectine for cattle, I call that thining the heard.

    it's the same shit.

    i got the horse kind from amazon. bubblegum flavor.
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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Boraxman on Wed Jan 12 05:09:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on Wed Jan 12 2022 12:23 pm

    "Risk"... Risk of what, exactly?
    Are you aware that things like the polio vaccine in the 50's and 60's required boosters, too, right?
    Boosters every 4 months?

    Who knows. That would likely be short term if it were necessary every 4 months. Why panic about it, it's not that big of a deal presently.

    I nearly lost my mother due to complications (clots). My wife has developed an allergic response since then. I know
    someone who has also beed adverse effects.
    But to go on, you know my situation better. threaten my livelihood and claim to know better than me.
    You make your decisions, I'll make mine. These vaccines are NEW, yet you speak as if we have decades of data.
    we do NOT know long term effects. The data isn't there.

    Please tell me you've spoken to a medical professional about these issues? I'm sorry to hear that there have been some complications.

    Our current economy has to change, there's no doubt about that, but how the money flows to the wealthy (our
    current economy) is meaningless in that regard. I don't have any sympathy for 'the 'conomy' as it is.
    This comes from a position of privilege. Peopke cannot afford to have their businesses forced closed.

    So what's your argument, 'conomy at all costs? Yes, I understand privilege, and I don't agree with all of our regional or federal decisions on how things should be handled. Considering the late-stage capitalism mess we're in, they did a pretty good job of supporting people through lockdowns.

    You know what would be better if you're so concerned about people being on their own? Abolish billionaires. Tax people appropriately. Give people across on the lower end a leg up and stop celebrating excess.

    Maybe fix our current bullshit systems so people can survive not being a cog in the 'conomy for a couple of months.

    People are such pansies in regards to anything disrupting their miserable way of life as it currently is. The anti-vaxxers have made things worse, and drawn out your crappy
    western-world vision longer.
    Our leadership is at fault. We have none. Stop trying to pin it on average people. You are being conned and falling
    for their BS.

    You're off on a topic that isn't relating to what I said.

    The pandemic isn't your leaders fault, it's a virus. Anti-vaxxers are disease spreaders, elongating the time to resolve this situation, making it worse. Your leaders may be doing things to elongate the timeline as well. One doesn't negate the other.

    I have taken the vaccine. I am considered an anti vaxxer because I oppose segregation and mandates. I also (based on
    medical advice) recomended my wife avoid a particular one, and I am not comfortable giving to to my young children
    without more data.

    All the power to 'ya.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Arelor on Wed Jan 12 05:12:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Wed Jan 12 2022 02:04 am

    To be perfectly honest, I just think the administrators and the new owner disagreed on something, so the administrators
    kickstarted the wave to doom Freenode.
    That said, the new owner has managed to make Freenode unusable for my purposes, so maybe the admins had a point.

    It was a hostile takeover of the IRC network, essentially.

    The bit about people being concerned about their email addresses going to the new owner seems a little odd considering if they're activists, they shouldn't be using sensitive email addresses to register with a chat bot (nickserv, part of the IRC services) in the first place.

    Not that there shouldn't be concerns at all, but it just seems like if that occurred they weren't handling their "private" data too well in the first place.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Trikester on Wed Jan 12 09:48:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Trikester to Arelor on Wed Jan 12 2022 10:12 am

    Not that there shouldn't be concerns at all, but it just seems like if that occurred they weren't handling their "private" data too well in the first place.


    People does that all the time.

    Managing private data in a reckless manner, then crying because it exploded in their faces.

    Keeping propper operationals security requires more discipline and focus than most people is willing to invest.



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Trikester on Wed Jan 12 10:42:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Trikester to Boraxman on Wed Jan 12 2022 10:09 am

    Are you aware that things like the polio vaccine in the 50's and 60' required boosters, too, right?
    Boosters every 4 months?

    Who knows. That would likely be short term if it were necessary every 4 mont Why panic about it, it's not that big of a deal presently.


    The EMA has issued an statement, according to which excessive dousing may cause cumulative immunodeficency.


    "[Boosters] can be done once, or maybe twice, but it's not something we can think should be repeated constantly" -- Marco Cavaleri, EMA.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Arelor on Wed Jan 12 15:28:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to Trikester on Wed Jan 12 2022 03:42 pm

    Are you aware that things like the polio vaccine in the 50's and 60' required boosters, too,
    right?
    Boosters every 4 months?
    Who knows. That would likely be short term if it were necessary every 4 mont Why panic about it,
    it's
    not that big of a deal presently.
    The EMA has issued an statement, according to which excessive dousing may cause cumulative
    immunodeficency.

    OK... good?

    It's evolving day by day, so guess we'll see where things are at when anybody's anywhere near the appropriate time frame for a possible 4th?

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Wed Jan 12 19:27:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Denn on Wed Jan 12 2022 01:18 pm

    no, this was before covid. i gave it to them as a preventative measure.
    i followed the per pound dosage and they were fine.

    Ivermectine is pretty safe in the human prescription, I think it's
    halarious that retards went to cattle feed stores and bought and took
    Ivermectine for cattle, I call that thining the heard.

    it's the same shit.

    It's the same drug different addatives and dosages.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Wed Jan 12 21:38:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to MRO on Thu Jan 13 2022 12:27 am

    halarious that retards went to cattle feed stores and bought and took
    Ivermectine for cattle, I call that thining the heard.

    it's the same shit.

    It's the same drug different addatives and dosages.

    i'm pretty sure if you do it per pound you get the correct results.
    you have to factor in the percentage.

    the one i had was 1.87%

    no clue what it was for humans, dont care.it worked. and i took i to test it and i didnt get sick.
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  • From Diamond Dave@VERT/DMINE to Dr. What on Thu Jan 13 00:26:00 2022

    I believe what I read and research myself. I don't allow any "expert" tell me to accept what they say as fact without evidence.

    What research? Super right wing YouTube videows?? Hahahahaha!!

    Got some links to back up your asinine claims?? I'm waiting.

    Are these non medical websites run by people who aren't doctors? LOOOOOOLL!!

    Sorry, I can't believe people who have done "research" when they can't back up their claims are going to websites that aren't run by doctors and have been backed up by the overall medical community (peer reviews, etc.)

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Thu Jan 13 11:37:00 2022
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    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on
    Tue Jan 11 2022 08:16 am


    To be perfectly honest, I just think the administrators and the new
    owner disagreed on something, so the administrators kickstarted the
    wave to doom Freenode.

    That said, the new owner has managed to make Freenode unusable for my purposes, so maybe the admins had a point.

    How did they make it unusable?


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Trikester on Thu Jan 13 11:56:00 2022
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    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on
    Wed Jan 12 2022 12:23 pm

    "Risk"... Risk of what, exactly?
    Are you aware that things like the polio vaccine in the 50's and 60's
    re
    quired boosters, too, right?
    Boosters every 4 months?

    Who knows. That would likely be short term if it were necessary every 4 months. Why panic about it, it's not that big of a deal presently.

    I'm worried they will mandate it. That panic and desperation to maintain an image will guide policy.

    Part of what drives decision making is politics. I do not want to be forced into a poor os sub optimal decision because people are panicking about Omicron and the government is despreate to boost the economy.

    I nearly lost my mother due to complications (clots). My wife has developed
    an allergic response since then. I know
    someone who has also beed adverse effects.
    But to go on, you know my situation better. threaten my livelihood and
    claim
    to know better than me.
    You make your decisions, I'll make mine. These vaccines are NEW, yet you
    spe
    ak as if we have decades of data.
    we do NOT know long term effects. The data isn't there.

    Please tell me you've spoken to a medical professional about these
    issues? I'm sorry to hear that there have been some complications.

    Yes, and technically the state overrides their advice. The complications are complicated, and the jury is still out.

    As for advice weve received feom our doctor, my wife is shouldn't take one of the vaccines, but the reason given is not a state approved reason.

    for our children, advice is mixed. From my risk management perspective (and I do this professionally), I have to take into account unknown unknowns. I would feel more comfortable to see more long term data.

    I'm not opposed to vaccinating my children, but I would want there to be more certainty there are no long term effects or side effects.


    Our current economy has to change, there's no doubt about that, but how
    the money flows to the wealthy (our
    current economy) is meaningless in that regard. I don't have any
    sympath
    y for 'the 'conomy' as it is.
    This comes from a position of privilege. Peopke cannot afford to have their
    businesses forced closed.

    So what's your argument, 'conomy at all costs? Yes, I understand privilege, and I don't agree with all of our regional or federal
    decisions on how things should be handled. Considering the late-stage capitalism mess we're in, they did a pretty good job of supporting
    people through lockdowns.

    You know what would be better if you're so concerned about people being
    on their own? Abolish billionaires. Tax people appropriately. Give
    people across on the lower end a leg up and stop celebrating excess.

    Maybe fix our current bullshit systems so people can survive not being
    a cog in the 'conomy for a couple of months.

    That is a discussion for another thread. I agree we need fundamental changes, I support an owership economy, but that is something I might start as another thread.

    People are such pansies in regards to anything disrupting their miserable way of life as it currently is. The anti-vaxxers have made
    thi
    ngs worse, and drawn out your crappy
    western-world vision longer.
    Our leadership is at fault. We have none. Stop trying to pin it on average
    p
    eople. You are being conned and falling
    for their BS.

    You're off on a topic that isn't relating to what I said.

    The pandemic isn't your leaders fault, it's a virus. Anti-vaxxers are disease spreaders, elongating the time to resolve this situation,
    making it worse. Your leaders may be doing things to elongate the
    timeline as well. One doesn't negate the other.

    The pandemic isn't, but the response was initially slow and confused. I remember the early days when an Italian Mayor was encouraging people to hug Chinese, there was anguish here about people wanting to not go out, and discussion how it was wrong to close the borders.

    We had PPE shipped offshore and our leaders did nothing. I havent forgotten this.

    I have taken the vaccine. I am considered an anti vaxxer because I oppose
    se
    gregation and mandates. I also (based on
    medical advice) recomended my wife avoid a particular one, and I am not
    comfo
    rtable giving to to my young children
    without more data.

    All the power to 'ya

    Thanks. I have (and still do) argue againt anti vaxxers. I vaccinated my children againt a plethora of diseases I am glad are gone or rare. I dont believe they are poison, but the risk associated with COVID varies greatly by age and comorbidity People act as it the risk matrix has no other vatiables.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Thu Jan 13 12:10:00 2022
    Arelor wrote to Trikester <=-

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    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Trikester to Boraxman on
    Wed Jan 12 2022 10:09 am

    Are you aware that things like the polio vaccine in the 50's and 60' required boosters, too, right?
    Boosters every 4 months?

    Who knows. That would likely be short term if it were necessary every 4 mont Why panic about it, it's not that big of a deal presently.


    The EMA has issued an statement, according to which excessive dousing
    may cause cumulative immunodeficency.


    "[Boosters] can be done once, or maybe twice, but it's not something we can think should be repeated constantly" -- Marco Cavaleri, EMA.

    YOU are responsible for your health, not the state.

    This is why I bristle at the idea that we can be mandated to take these vaccines. You have to decide what is best for you.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Trikester on Thu Jan 13 01:59:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Trikester to Arelor on Wed Jan 12 2022 08:28 pm

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to Trikester on Wed Jan 12 2022 03:42 pm

    Are you aware that things like the polio vaccine in the 50's a
    60' required boosters, too,
    right?
    Boosters every 4 months?
    Who knows. That would likely be short term if it were necessary every mont Why panic about it, it's
    not that big of a deal presently.
    The EMA has issued an statement, according to which excessive dousing may cause cumulative immunodeficency.

    OK... good?

    It's evolving day by day, so guess we'll see where things are at when anybod anywhere near the appropriate time frame for a possible 4th?


    My point is that it is not wise to assume we can keep increasing the number of boosters we get ad infinitum.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Boraxman on Thu Jan 13 02:04:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Thu Jan 13 2022 04:37 pm

    Arelor wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on
    Tue Jan 11 2022 08:16 am


    To be perfectly honest, I just think the administrators and the new owner disagreed on something, so the administrators kickstarted the wave to doom Freenode.

    That said, the new owner has managed to make Freenode unusable for my purposes, so maybe the admins had a point.

    How did they make it unusable?



    They made it unusable _for my purposes_ by banning known shell services (such as the one I use) because they don't want 400 users connecting from the same place or somesuch.

    Some people has also complained because user auth is now mandatorily enforced to be done over SASL.

    I think the biggestfuckup they made was to nuke their services. They wanted to migrate Freenode to new infrasttructure, so instead of migrating their services to the new systems, they nuked the old ones and installed the new ones from scratch. That means registered users were deleted, channel ownership was voided, and a lot of people started complaining (and rightly so)


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Denn on Thu Jan 13 03:25:00 2022
    Denn wrote to MRO <=-

    Ivermectine is pretty safe in the human prescription, I think it's halarious that retards went to cattle feed stores and bought and took Ivermectine for cattle, I call that thining the heard.

    Actually, no one used the horse Ivermectin on themselves. That was a compete fabrication by CNN.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Diamond Dave on Thu Jan 13 03:40:00 2022
    Diamond Dave wrote to Dr. What <=-

    What research? Super right wing YouTube videows?? Hahahahaha!!

    That would be no worse than the left wing propaganda that's been pushed in the news". I'll pass on both, though.

    Got some links to back up your asinine claims?? I'm waiting.

    Got some links to back up your asinine claims? I don't think so. People like you can only quote the Narrative your leaders feed you. You are unable to think for yourself.

    I have better things to do with my time than to do your leg work just so that you can dismiss it. If you wish to be willfully ignorant, that's your problem.
    Not mine.

    Are these non medical websites run by people who aren't doctors? LOOOOOOLL!!

    Did your 5 year old hack your password?

    Sorry, I can't believe people who have done "research" when they can't back up their claims are going to websites that aren't run by doctors
    and have been backed up by the overall medical community (peer reviews, etc.)

    When your only "argument" is to criticize and belittle, you gain no respect. Whether you believe me or not is irrelevant since no one cares about what you "think".


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  • From TheMemeWarrior@VERT/TMBBS to DR. WHAT on Thu Jan 13 02:49:00 2022
    Ivermectin has already been proven to work in other countries.

    The problem is with anecdotal evidence is we do not know if there were
    other variables that made it effective, and to play devil's advocate
    here, it could be that Ivermectin either could be completely ineffective
    or requires some other component. That is why I advocate for clinical
    trial data.

    Yes, we do know. But we have to look at other countries for that information because everything around COVID has been politicized here
    in the U.S.

    Yup, if it was mentioned by Trump then a specific set of people will
    oppose it. It could be the cure for cancer and they would write articles
    saying that cancer is actually good. Now, that is an observation from
    the last 5 years of watching both sides.

    It's impossible to have clinincal trials when the gov't Elites override the medical professionals.

    They're doing clinical trials for it but they have not started yet or completed. It will take a long time if they do it properly and we will
    probably not find out this year.
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  • From TheMemeWarrior@VERT/TMBBS to TRIKESTER on Thu Jan 13 03:06:00 2022
    It's been put in to practise in some pretty big cases, and shown to not
    be at all effective and withdrawn. Make of it what you will.

    So anecdotal evidence with a very small sample size with no control
    groups and without knowing the other conditions. It was not studied
    properly and withdrawn for what specific reasons? You have other
    countries who have said it has helped providing the same level of your
    view of acceptable research, anecdotal. If by your standards you accept
    one anecdotal evidence then you need to accept the other.

    I mean come on... it is quite easy to see your ideology influencing your
    views here. At least with clinical trials you could hide your ideology
    behind the data if it supports your view.

    You may want to look up what a straw man argument is, as I don't
    think it means what you think it does.

    You mean incorrectly stating your opponents arguments so you can attack
    them? ;)

    Blather.

    Such a compelling thought out argument.


    Nobody's been able to show efficacy for Ivermectin against COVID.

    Probably because there is no clinical trial data to prove whether it
    does or does not? I think we hit the crux of the problem! You think
    abscense of any clinical trial data, except the anecdotal evidence you cherry-picked, is proof it does not work.

    The COVID vaccine rollouts are amongst the most successful in
    history.

    Sure thing there buddy, I would have said smallpox vaccine since we
    eradicated smallpox but you go on believing that. :P
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  • From TheMemeWarrior@VERT/TMBBS to DR. WHAT on Thu Jan 13 03:10:00 2022
    To the Left, "science" is no different from "religion".

    Even then they cherry-pick science to validate their views.

    They are. They certainly aren't medical professional groups anymore.

    They're less so than CNN or FoxNews but you are correct. WHO would not
    even acknowledge human to human transmission until it was already a
    pandemic despite having the data. They're also a pawn of china and were
    doing damage control at the start of the pandemic.
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  • From TheMemeWarrior@VERT/TMBBS to THUMPER on Thu Jan 13 03:13:00 2022
    I'm starting to be concerned as I've had on Brother-In-Law die from bloodclots
    in the lungs. Another Brother-In-Law survived the bloodclot in the lungs and now my Dad was rushed to the hospital with a bloodclot in the lungs. Just seems
    strange.....

    Which of the vaccines did they take?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to all on Thu Jan 13 04:08:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Diamond Dave to Dr. What on Thu Jan 13 2022 05:26 am

    Got some links to back up your asinine claims?? I'm waiting.

    ^^

    gee, where have i seen this before
    Sorry, I can't believe people who have done "research" when they can't back up their claims are going to websites that aren't run by doctors and have been backed up by the overall medical community (peer reviews, etc.)

    so we can trust our medical community?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Thu Jan 13 04:11:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Thu Jan 13 2022 07:04 am




    They made it unusable _for my purposes_ by banning known shell services (such as the one I use) because they don't want 400 users connecting from the same place or somesuch.

    Some people has also complained because user auth is now mandatorily

    that's probably because of attackers. all irc networks were attacked with this > I think the biggestfuckup they made was to nuke their services. They wanted
    to migrate Freenode to new infrasttructure, so instead of migrating their services to the new systems, they nuked the old ones and installed the new ones from scratch. That means registered users were deleted, channel ownership was voided, and a lot of people started complaining (and rightly so)
    freenode drama.

    that information was probably encrypted and couldnt be migrated.

    try to put yourself in the other guy's shoes.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Thu Jan 13 04:11:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Denn on Thu Jan 13 2022 08:25 am

    Actually, no one used the horse Ivermectin on themselves. That was a compete fabrication by CNN.



    i did, it was just years earlier.
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Thu Jan 13 04:01:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Denn on Thu Jan 13 2022 02:38 am

    halarious that retards went to cattle feed stores and bought and
    took Ivermectine for cattle, I call that thining the heard.

    it's the same shit.

    It's the same drug different addatives and dosages.

    i'm pretty sure if you do it per pound you get the correct results.
    you have to factor in the percentage.

    the one i had was 1.87%

    no clue what it was for humans, dont care.it worked. and i took i to test it and i didnt get sick.

    My point is that people were taking horse, cattle doses, the human dosage is much less.


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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Diamond Dave on Thu Jan 13 04:07:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Diamond Dave to Dr. What on Thu Jan 13 2022 05:26 am

    I believe what I read and research myself. I don't allow any "expert"
    tell me to accept what they say as fact without evidence.

    What research? Super right wing YouTube videows?? Hahahahaha!!
    Got some links to back up your asinine claims?? I'm waiting.
    Are these non medical websites run by people who aren't doctors? LOOOOOOLL!!

    Sorry, I can't believe people who have done "research" when they can't back up their claims are going to websites that aren't run by doctors and have been backed up by the overall medical community (peer reviews, etc.)

    You have a computer and Internet right?
    Some of the fact's come from the CDC website, you have the ability to look stuff up and try to prove or disprove claims same as anyone here.

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  • From TheMemeWarrior@VERT/TMBBS to DR. WHAT on Thu Jan 13 03:33:00 2022
    Actually, no one used the horse Ivermectin on themselves. That was a compete
    fabrication by CNN.

    It was worse than that. Anyone who was prescribed it, like Joe Rogen,
    were mocked for taking "horse paste" because they saw some article
    unrelated. These screeching harpies on social media think no human is prescribed Ivermectin.

    If they only knew how much we ship to third world countries so people
    have access to it...smh
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dr. What on Thu Jan 13 04:22:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Denn on Thu Jan 13 2022 08:25 am

    Ivermectine is pretty safe in the human prescription, I think it's
    halarious that retards went to cattle feed stores and bought and
    took Ivermectine for cattle, I call that thining the heard.

    Actually, no one used the horse Ivermectin on themselves. That was a compete fabrication by CNN.

    There actually were people buying the animal Ivermectine and trying self treatments, those were the dumb asses of society.
    It was more than just CNN reporting it.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Thu Jan 13 05:11:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to all on Thu Jan 13 2022 09:08 am

    Got some links to back up your asinine claims?? I'm waiting.

    ^^

    gee, where have i seen this before

    Sounds like the same guy with a new name to me.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Thumper on Wed Jan 12 01:58:00 2022
    Thumper wrote to TheMemeWarrior <=-

    For a second, I thought that you were replying to Time Warrior. That was a name (handle) from the past!




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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Thu Jan 13 08:03:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to MRO on Thu Jan 13 2022 09:01 am

    no clue what it was for humans, dont care.it worked. and i took i to test it and i didnt get sick.

    My point is that people were taking horse, cattle doses, the human dosage is much less.

    they should take the dosage per pound and should be fine.
    i'm not sure what the percentage is for human.

    but looks like you can follow this guidline for other ailments https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/ivermectin-oral-route/proper-use/drg-20064397
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Thu Jan 13 08:04:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to Dr. What on Thu Jan 13 2022 09:22 am

    There actually were people buying the animal Ivermectine and trying self treatments, those were the dumb asses of society.
    It was more than just CNN reporting it.


    they should do it under their doctor's supervision. regardless, it probably did nothing if they took it wrong.

    it probably killed parasites they had.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Thu Jan 13 08:05:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to MRO on Thu Jan 13 2022 10:11 am

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to all on Thu Jan 13 2022 09:08 am

    Got some links to back up your asinine claims?? I'm waiting.

    ^^

    gee, where have i seen this before

    Sounds like the same guy with a new name to me.

    no i mean the 'show me proof' shit.

    diamond dave is a real person.
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  • From Diamond Dave@VERT/DMINE to Dr. What on Thu Jan 13 11:16:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Diamond Dave on Thu Jan 13 2022 08:40 am

    Got some links to back up your asinine claims? I don't think so. People li you can only quote the Narrative your leaders feed you. You are unable to think for yourself.

    So in other words, you haven't done any "research". Prove you've done this so-called research? Bueller? Bueller?


    I have better things to do with my time than to do your leg work just so tha you can dismiss it. If you wish to be willfully ignorant, that's your probl
    Not mine.

    Then nobody will believe you. I certainly don't!

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  • From Diamond Dave@VERT/DMINE to Denn on Thu Jan 13 11:17:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to Diamond Dave on Thu Jan 13 2022 09:07 am

    You have a computer and Internet right?
    Some of the fact's come from the CDC website, you have the ability to look stuff up and try to prove or disprove claims same as anyone here.

    LOL! You're as bad as Dr. Whatever.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Boraxman on Thu Jan 13 12:44:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on Thu Jan 13 2022 04:56 pm

    I'm worried they will mandate it. That panic and desperation to maintain an image will guide policy.
    Part of what drives decision making is politics. I do not want to be forced into a poor os sub optimal
    decision because people are panicking about Omicron and the government is despreate to boost the
    economy.

    Here's hoping that mandates at this point are minimal. I don't mind our usage of the vaccine 'passport' bit for getting in to various public places. The closest thing we have here mandate-wise is a proposed anti-vax tax in Quebec. It'll be interesting to see how that one plays out.

    I think the reason I don't mind it is that if it puts money back in to our/their already-in-crisis-pre-covid healthcare system, that's not a bad thing.

    for our children, advice is mixed. From my risk management perspective (and I do this professionally),
    I have to take into account unknown unknowns. I would feel more comfortable to see more long term
    data.

    What will it take? If mRNA vaccines have been studied for years, and notable side effects presenting after a couple of months are nearly non-existent, then, is it just you need a few more years, or specific consensus on the long-term risk?

    We had PPE shipped offshore and our leaders did nothing. I havent forgotten this.

    That sounds pretty stupid - I presume that was at a point where it was already known it was necessary at home?

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Arelor on Thu Jan 13 12:46:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to Trikester on Thu Jan 13 2022 06:59 am

    It's evolving day by day, so guess we'll see where things are at when anybod anywhere near the
    appropriate time frame for a possible 4th?
    My point is that it is not wise to assume we can keep increasing the number of boosters we get ad
    infinitum.

    I don't really care at this point - if that were to be what's necessary, including them adding the COVID vax to the yearly flu vax, then I'm happy to follow along with it.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Dr. What on Thu Jan 13 12:47:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Denn on Thu Jan 13 2022 08:25 am

    Actually, no one used the horse Ivermectin on themselves. That was a compete fabrication by CNN.

    So the animal feed stores selling out of it before they knew what was happening at exactly the same time
    people were going mad for it is completely coincidental.

    Yeah, must've all been CNN, even in other countries.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Dr. What on Thu Jan 13 12:50:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Diamond Dave on Thu Jan 13 2022 08:40 am

    When your only "argument" is to criticize and belittle, you gain no respect. Whether you believe me or
    not is irrelevant since no one cares about what you "think".

    You continually disprove yourself. If that were the case, you'd stop responding rather than continually trying to belittle those you disagree with. You care. You care BIG TIME.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to TheMemeWarrior on Fri Jan 14 09:06:00 2022
    TheMemeWarrior wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    @MSGID: <61E05A9E.122693.dove-gen@vert.synchro.net>
    Actually, no one used the horse Ivermectin on themselves. That was a
    compete

    fabrication by CNN.

    It was worse than that. Anyone who was prescribed it, like Joe Rogen,
    were mocked for taking "horse paste" because they saw some article unrelated. These screeching harpies on social media think no human is prescribed Ivermectin.

    If they only knew how much we ship to third world countries so people
    have access to it...smh
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    Even worse. they were upset Joe got better and didn't die. The people who want to tell you how to look after your health were upset that someones attempts to get over COVID worked.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Diamond Dave on Thu Jan 13 18:51:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Diamond Dave to Dr. What on Thu Jan 13 2022 04:16 pm

    So in other words, you haven't done any "research". Prove you've done this so-called research? Bueller? Bueller?


    very cringe worthy
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Diamond Dave on Thu Jan 13 18:52:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Diamond Dave to Denn on Thu Jan 13 2022 04:17 pm

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to Diamond Dave on Thu Jan 13 2022 09:07 am

    You have a computer and Internet right?
    Some of the fact's come from the CDC website, you have the ability to look stuff up and try to prove or disprove claims same as anyone here.

    LOL! You're as bad as Dr. Whatever.

    oh yeah, heaven forbid he provide a source when you asked for one.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Thu Jan 13 19:05:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to TheMemeWarrior on Fri Jan 14 2022 02:06 pm

    Even worse. they were upset Joe got better and didn't die. The people who want to tell you how to look after your health were upset that someones attempts to get over COVID worked.


    that was hillarius how cnn colored his photo gray to make him look sick.
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Thu Jan 13 19:37:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Denn on Thu Jan 13 2022 01:04 pm

    There actually were people buying the animal Ivermectine and trying
    self treatments, those were the dumb asses of society.
    It was more than just CNN reporting it.


    they should do it under their doctor's supervision. regardless, it probably did nothing if they took it wrong.

    it probably killed parasites they had.

    Maybe..

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Thu Jan 13 19:39:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Denn on Thu Jan 13 2022 01:05 pm

    Got some links to back up your asinine claims?? I'm waiting.

    ^^

    gee, where have i seen this before

    Sounds like the same guy with a new name to me.

    no i mean the 'show me proof' shit.

    diamond dave is a real person.

    Isn't he the dude from Diamond Mine BBS?


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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Diamond Dave on Thu Jan 13 19:47:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Diamond Dave to Denn on Thu Jan 13 2022 04:17 pm

    You have a computer and Internet right?
    Some of the fact's come from the CDC website, you have the ability to
    look stuff up and try to prove or disprove claims same as anyone here.

    LOL! You're as bad as Dr. Whatever.

    You're just here to act like an elitist.
    you have the tools and a brain go look shit up.
    Learn ! get out of your bubble and figure out whats true or false.
    Get out of your Moms Basement.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Thu Jan 13 20:13:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Diamond Dave on Thu Jan 13 2022 11:52 pm

    You have a computer and Internet right?
    Some of the fact's come from the CDC website, you have the ability
    to look stuff up and try to prove or disprove claims same as anyone
    here.

    LOL! You're as bad as Dr. Whatever.

    oh yeah, heaven forbid he provide a source when you asked for one.

    He's trying to bait everyone into a verbal fight.


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  • From Diamond Dave@VERT/DMINE to Denn on Fri Jan 14 00:13:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to Diamond Dave on Fri Jan 14 2022 12:47 am

    You're just here to act like an elitist.
    you have the tools and a brain go look shit up.
    Learn ! get out of your bubble and figure out whats true or false.
    Get out of your Moms Basement.

    LOL! You think you're funny, but you're not.

    You have no credibility just like Dr. Whatever because you haven't done jack shit with your "research". LOL!

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Trikester on Fri Jan 14 00:28:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Trikester to Arelor on Thu Jan 13 2022 05:46 pm

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to Trikester on Thu Jan 13 2022 06:59 am

    It's evolving day by day, so guess we'll see where things are at when anybod anywhere near the appropriate time frame for a possible 4th?
    My point is that it is not wise to assume we can keep increasing the numb of boosters we get ad infinitum.

    I don't really care at this point - if that were to be what's necessary, including them adding the COVID vax to the yearly flu vax, then I'm happy to follow along with it.


    I think I don't understand you. You want to mean that you don't care if boosters are done with intervals smaller than those deemed troublesome by health authorities, if it is what is necessary? (Necessary for what?)

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to TheMemeWarrior on Fri Jan 14 03:29:00 2022
    TheMemeWarrior wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    Ivermectin has already been proven to work in other countries.

    The problem is with anecdotal evidence is we do not know if there were

    You've made the leap to "anecdotal" by making assumptions. It's not anecdotal in other countries.



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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to TheMemeWarrior on Fri Jan 14 03:31:00 2022
    TheMemeWarrior wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    To the Left, "science" is no different from "religion".

    Even then they cherry-pick science to validate their views.

    And that's why I laugh when I hear them cry "follow the science".

    They're less so than CNN or FoxNews but you are correct. WHO would not even acknowledge human to human transmission until it was already a pandemic despite having the data. They're also a pawn of china and were doing damage control at the start of the pandemic.

    And that's one of the real casualities of the scamdemic: the loss of trust in these groups.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Diamond Dave on Fri Jan 14 03:33:00 2022
    Diamond Dave wrote to Dr. What <=-

    So in other words, you haven't done any "research". Prove you've done
    this so-called research? Bueller? Bueller?

    Your words... er... delusion.

    Then nobody will believe you. I certainly don't!

    You really need to get over yourself. I don't care if you believe me.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Arelor on Fri Jan 14 03:36:00 2022
    Arelor wrote to Trikester <=-

    My point is that it is not wise to assume we can keep increasing the number of boosters we get ad infinitum.

    We are already starting to see evidence that the not-vaccines actually make future infections WORSE.

    And we already know that the mRNA stuff isn't a vaccine since you can still get and spread COVID after getting the jab.


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  • From TheMemeWarrior@VERT/TMBBS to BORAXMAN on Fri Jan 14 10:36:00 2022
    Even worse. they were upset Joe got better and didn't die. The people
    who want to tell you how to look after your health were upset that
    someones attempts to get over COVID worked.

    The people who wants everyone to have access to affordable healthcare
    say healthcare should be denied to unvaccinated people. Let that sink
    in...

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  • From TheMemeWarrior@VERT/TMBBS to DR. WHAT on Fri Jan 14 10:39:00 2022
    You've made the leap to "anecdotal" by making assumptions. It's not anecdotal in other countries.

    Yes, I'm making assumptions that India, Egypt, Turkey, and Brazil don't
    exactly have the quality of testing that is done, for example, in the
    USA. I can take what they have and use it as justification for doing
    clinical trials though.
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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Arelor on Fri Jan 14 07:36:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Arelor to Trikester on Fri Jan 14 2022 05:28 am

    I don't really care at this point - if that were to be what's necessary, including them adding the COVID vax to the
    yearly flu vax, then I'm happy to follow along with it.
    I think I don't understand you. You want to mean that you don't care if boosters are done with intervals smaller than
    those deemed troublesome by health authorities, if it is what is necessary? (Necessary for what?)

    That's not what's being prescribed, at least not in my neck of the woods. There's not really anything to discuss in this regard. We're not there yet.

    Have you been prescribed boosters at a rate above what has been deemed useful?

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Fri Jan 14 13:21:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to MRO on Fri Jan 14 2022 12:39 am


    diamond dave is a real person.

    Isn't he the dude from Diamond Mine BBS?


    yeah he's the sysop and he has the bbs guide.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Fri Jan 14 13:26:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Arelor on Fri Jan 14 2022 08:36 am

    number of boosters we get ad infinitum.

    We are already starting to see evidence that the not-vaccines actually make future infections WORSE.

    And we already know that the mRNA stuff isn't a vaccine since you can still get and spread COVID after getting the jab.



    this is sorta related.

    we have a guy who returned to work after being sick for 5 days. he took 2 days off and returned. that's way too soon in my book.

    anyways, dude has his mask off and is upclose talking to people. it's loud in some places and we have to yell too.

    so last night i started feeling like i did when i had covid. i was hitting the bathroom a lot, had the chills and cold sweats and my hips and back hurt. i couldnt sleep all night.

    i took a covid test and it's negative. so i wonder if my body was fighting off covid OR, did i just get something new that is like covid. also i probably took the test too soon so i'm taking my sunday test. right now i feel fine one day later.

    fun!
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Trikester on Sat Jan 15 07:39:00 2022
    Trikester wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to Trikester on
    Thu Jan 13 2022 04:56 pm

    I'm worried they will mandate it. That panic and desperation to maintain an
    image will guide policy.
    Part of what drives decision making is politics. I do not want to be forced
    into a poor os sub optimal
    decision because people are panicking about Omicron and the government is
    des
    preate to boost the
    economy.


    I would rather tax speculators, property flippers and hoarders. The peoblem is "fully vaxxed" is meaningless, as you need constant boosters for effectiveness.
    Having someone as a second class citizen because they arent taking boosters on demand isn't the way we do things.

    The whole "treat people as individuals and not by their group" ideal got thrown out really quick here.J

    Here's hoping that mandates at this point are minimal. I don't mind our
    usage of the vaccine 'passport' bit for getting in to various public places. The closest thing we have here mandate-wise is a proposed
    anti-vax tax in Quebec. It'll be interesting to see how that one plays out.

    I think the reason I don't mind it is that if it puts money back in to our/their already-in-crisis-pre-covid healthcare system, that's not a
    bad thing.

    for our children, advice is mixed. From my risk management perspective (and
    I do this professionally),
    I have to take into account unknown unknowns. I would feel more comfortable
    to see more long term
    data.

    What will it take? If mRNA vaccines have been studied for years, and notable side effects presenting after a couple of months are nearly non-existent, then, is it just you need a few more years, or specific consensus on the long-term risk?

    We had PPE shipped offshore and our leaders did nothing. I havent forgotten
    this.

    That sounds pretty stupid - I presume that was at a point where it was already known it was necessary at home?

    Some were arguing we needed this, yes, but not "the establishment". Media were reposrting it, but the notion we were facing a real problem was still "alarmism". Besides, it would have been considered xenophobic to stop it because of the profile of people doing the shipping.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Sat Jan 15 07:42:00 2022
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    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Boraxman to TheMemeWarrior on Fri Jan 14 2022 02:06 pm

    Even worse. they were upset Joe got better and didn't die.

    yeah, they like to change skin tone. Dien,t they make Zimmerman pale?

    want to tell you how to look after your health were upset that someones attempts to get over COVID worked.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to TheMemeWarrior on Sat Jan 15 07:45:00 2022
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    Even worse. they were upset Joe got better and didn't die. The people
    Most human being make moral statements to grandstand. They rarely are about deep beleifs.

    Like how it was wring to jusge somone by thier group, instead of their individual actions.

    Now, we judge "unvaxxed" as a group, even if an individual unvaxxed may not carry the virus ans is of no danger to others.

    someones attempts to get over COVID worked.

    The people who wants everyone to have access to affordable healthcare
    say healthcare should be denied to unvaccinated people. Let that sink in...

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Diamond Dave on Fri Jan 14 18:22:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Diamond Dave to Denn on Fri Jan 14 2022 05:13 am

    You're just here to act like an elitist.
    you have the tools and a brain go look shit up.

    LOL! You think you're funny, but you're not.

    I think you're an absolute Idiot, and you are.

    You have no credibility just like Dr. Whatever because you haven't done jack shit with your "research". LOL!

    I have and do look stuff up, unlike yourself just a puppet for the left.



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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dr. What on Fri Jan 14 18:24:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to TheMemeWarrior on Fri Jan 14 2022 08:29 am

    Ivermectin has already been proven to work in other countries.

    The problem is with anecdotal evidence is we do not know if there
    were

    You've made the leap to "anecdotal" by making assumptions. It's not anecdotal in other countries.

    It has been work here in the USA, Joe Rogan is an example.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dr. What on Fri Jan 14 18:32:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Diamond Dave on Fri Jan 14 2022 08:33 am

    So in other words, you haven't done any "research". Prove you've
    done this so-called research? Bueller? Bueller?

    Your words... er... delusion.

    He's probably the same old Idiot New name that I've twitlisted 4 or 5 times already, same pattern berate, belittle, call everyone a liar etc...
    Just twitlist him like I'm going to do right now.
    If he's not smart enough to have a civil discussion then let him talk to himself.

    Nice try trikester.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Fri Jan 14 18:41:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Denn on Fri Jan 14 2022 06:21 pm

    Re: Re: Booster
    diamond dave is a real person.

    Isn't he the dude from Diamond Mine BBS?


    yeah he's the sysop and he has the bbs guide.

    To bad he's a jackass.
    He's another leftist, probably a flat earther.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Trikester on Sat Jan 15 02:02:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Trikester to Arelor on Fri Jan 14 2022 12:36 pm

    That's not what's being prescribed, at least not in my neck of the woods. There's not really anything to discuss in this regard. We're not there yet.

    Have you been prescribed boosters at a rate above what has been deemed usefu


    Not me, but certainly some people in Europe was talking about intervals as short as 3 months, which I think is the reason why the EMA issued the statement to begin with.

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  • From Diamond Dave@VERT/DMINE to Denn on Sat Jan 15 03:14:00 2022

    You have no credibility just like Dr. Whatever because you haven't done jack shit with your "research". LOL!

    I have and do look stuff up, unlike yourself just a puppet for the left.

    You are incorrect. I'm actually conservative. But I'm also an engineer so I do have a brain, unlike you and Dr. Whatever.

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  • From Diamond Dave@VERT/DMINE to Dr. What on Sat Jan 15 03:15:00 2022
    DD> Then nobody will believe you. I certainly don't!

    You really need to get over yourself. I don't care if you believe me.

    Nope. I don't believe you. You have no credibility. Same with that other guy who thinks he's hot shit.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sat Jan 15 05:43:00 2022
    i took a covid test and it's negative. so i wonder if my body was fighting off
    ovid OR, did i just get something new that is like covid. also i probably took
    he test too soon so i'm taking my sunday test. right now i feel fine one day ter.

    Hope it is not COVID again. :( There is something going around here that apparently is not COVID because people test negative for it. They run a
    fever above 100F, usually for more than one day. The other symptoms are mostly gastro-intestinal (like some of the early COVID strains were) and fatigue.

    One guy I work with (remote, thank goodness!) tested negative and thinks it
    is food poisoning. He has been sick for at least 4 days now, though.


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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Denn on Sat Jan 15 03:31:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to Dr. What on Fri Jan 14 2022 11:24 pm

    It has been work here in the USA, Joe Rogan is an example.

    It has not been work anywhere. Quote Captain Pseudoscience is not good reference point.

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  • From Trikester@VERT/DOVEMOD/BSMNTQQ to Denn on Sat Jan 15 03:34:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to Dr. What on Fri Jan 14 2022 11:32 pm

    Nice try trikester.

    Wow. What kind of delusion is it to believe everyone who disagrees with you is the same person?

    I guess because some of those names you're glomming in to 'the boogeyman' called you out for spreading lies & misinformation, they're all baddies for calling you names?

    It would be good if this guy could take a look in the mirror.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Sat Jan 15 10:59:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to Dr. What on Fri Jan 14 2022 11:32 pm

    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to Diamond Dave on Fri Jan 14 2022 08:33 am

    So in other words, you haven't done any "research". Prove you've
    done this so-called research? Bueller? Bueller?

    Your words... er... delusion.

    He's probably the same old Idiot New name that I've twitlisted 4 or 5 times already, same pattern berate, belittle, call everyone a liar etc...
    Just twitlist him like I'm going to do right now.
    If he's not smart enough to have a civil discussion then let him talk to himself.

    Nice try trikester.

    no that's really diamond dave. and that george account is dave at work.
    yes, an old man went through the trouble of connecting to vert from work, making another account just to call me an asshole.

    and he's mad at me just because he couldnt get wordpress working and i asked to have my bbses removed because the entries were junked.

    very petty, pig faced man.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Diamond Dave on Sat Jan 15 11:00:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Diamond Dave to Denn on Sat Jan 15 2022 08:14 am


    You have no credibility just like Dr. Whatever because you haven't done jack shit with your "research". LOL!

    I have and do look stuff up, unlike yourself just a puppet for the left.

    You are incorrect. I'm actually conservative. But I'm also an engineer so I do have a brain, unlike you and Dr. Whatever.

    i doubt you're an engineer. you can't even setup wordpress and you always
    had other people setup your websites for you.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sat Jan 15 11:02:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sat Jan 15 2022 10:43 am

    i took a covid test and it's negative. so i wonder if my body was fighting off
    ovid OR, did i just get something new that is like covid. also i probably took
    he test too soon so i'm taking my sunday test. right now i feel fine one day ter.

    Hope it is not COVID again. :( There is something going around here that apparently is not COVID because people test negative for it. They run a fever above 100F, usually for more than one day. The other symptoms are mostly gastro-intestinal (like some of the early COVID strains were) and fatigue.

    One guy I work with (remote, thank goodness!) tested negative and thinks it is food poisoning. He has been sick for at least 4 days now, though.


    yeah i took another test and it's not covid.
    i'm taking my scheduled lab test sunday so i'll have to provide that to work.
    i dont think i'm getting paid time off either.

    there's this 'not covid' going on at work and a lady that trained me had it. feels like covid.
    i had the shits and my hips and back were aching so bad i couldnt sleep. i even had a heating pad under me until i burnt my back.
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  • From Diamond Dave@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Sat Jan 15 15:20:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Diamond Dave on Sat Jan 15 2022 04:00 pm

    You are incorrect. I'm actually conservative. But I'm also an engineer so
    I
    do have a brain, unlike you and Dr. Whatever.

    i doubt you're an engineer. you can't even setup wordpress and you always had other people setup your websites for you.

    Engineers and computer programmers are different. But of course you're too dumb to realize that. Otherwise you wouldn't have posted that.

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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to THEMEMEWARRIOR on Sat Jan 15 13:31:00 2022
    And, yes, I am vaccinated. I just believe it is not my place to make
    yours or anyone elses medical decisions due to mass hysteria. Look at Omicron, the media is trying to scare you by telling you its way more contagious but then leave out that it is a lot more milder and lung
    tissue infection is much lower than the original strain.
    I got hired as a temp worker at a hospital because they know their
    office staff is going to get sick sooner than later and they would
    rather have more floaters to fill in.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Diamond Dave on Sat Jan 15 15:57:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Diamond Dave to MRO on Sat Jan 15 2022 08:20 pm

    I
    do have a brain, unlike you and Dr. Whatever.

    i doubt you're an engineer. you can't even setup wordpress and you always had other people setup your websites for you.

    Engineers and computer programmers are different. But of course you're too dumb to realize that. Otherwise you wouldn't have posted that.

    you just compared computer programming with setting up wordpress.
    that's something you can do by clicking.

    i remember when you are were totally lost with wordpress, it was fucking pathetic. little stupid ugly man.

    why arent i getting a reply from your sock puppet you use at work.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Denn on Sun Jan 16 05:15:00 2022
    Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-

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    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dr. What to TheMemeWarrior
    on Fri Jan 14 2022 08:29 am

    Ivermectin has already been proven to work in other countries.

    The problem is with anecdotal evidence is we do not know if there
    were

    You've made the leap to "anecdotal" by making assumptions. It's not anecdotal in other countries.

    It has been work here in the USA, Joe Rogan is an example.

    Jow threw a lot at it. Can't really conclude what helped and what didn't.


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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Diamond Dave on Sat Jan 15 18:03:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Diamond Dave to Denn on Sat Jan 15 2022 08:14 am

    You have no credibility just like Dr. Whatever because you haven't
    done jack shit with your "research". LOL!

    I have and do look stuff up, unlike yourself just a puppet for the
    left.

    You are incorrect. I'm actually conservative. But I'm also an engineer so I do have a brain, unlike you and Dr. Whatever.

    HAHAHAHAA, an engineer.
    So are you a Janatorial Engineer? that must be it.
    See that's why I think you're a leftist, you use the same tactics like acting as though you're smarter than everyone else, the belittling and berating instead of debating.
    If you think that makes you look smart think again.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Diamond Dave on Sat Jan 15 18:07:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Diamond Dave to Dr. What on Sat Jan 15 2022 08:15 am

    Then nobody will believe you. I certainly don't!

    You really need to get over yourself. I don't care if you believe me.

    Nope. I don't believe you. You have no credibility. Same with that other guy who thinks he's hot shit.

    Like Dr What said, nobody gives two shits what you think.
    If you want to debate do your research and prove people wrong, If you just want to be a JackAss then keep doing what you're doing.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Sat Jan 15 19:41:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to Diamond Dave on Sat Jan 15 2022 11:03 pm

    HAHAHAHAA, an engineer.
    So are you a Janatorial Engineer? that must be it.
    See that's why I think you're a leftist, you use the same tactics like acting as though you're smarter than everyone else, the belittling and berating instead of debating.
    If you think that makes you look smart think again.


    dave is so stupid he couldnt pour piss out of a boot if the instructions
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Sat Jan 15 18:17:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Denn on Sat Jan 15 2022 03:59 pm

    So in other words, you haven't done any "research". Prove you've
    done this so-called research? Bueller? Bueller?

    Your words... er... delusion.

    He's probably the same old Idiot New name that I've twitlisted 4 or 5
    times already, same pattern berate, belittle, call everyone a liar
    etc... Just twitlist him like I'm going to do right now.
    If he's not smart enough to have a civil discussion then let him talk
    to himself.

    Nice try trikester.

    no that's really diamond dave. and that george account is dave at work. yes, an old man went through the trouble of connecting to vert from work, making another account just to call me an asshole.

    Well, he's pretty full of himself, and if he did that he's pretty petty.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Sat Jan 15 21:56:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Denn to MRO on Sat Jan 15 2022 11:17 pm

    no that's really diamond dave. and that george account is dave at work. yes, an old man went through the trouble of connecting to vert from work, making another account just to call me an asshole.

    Well, he's pretty full of himself, and if he did that he's pretty petty.


    he's just someone who never grew up.
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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to TheMemeWarrior on Sun Jan 16 04:57:00 2022
    TheMemeWarrior wrote to BORAXMAN <=-

    The people who wants everyone to have access to affordable healthcare
    say healthcare should be denied to unvaccinated people. Let that sink in...

    Lefties are the biggest hypoctites in history.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Diamond Dave on Sun Jan 16 04:59:00 2022
    Diamond Dave wrote to Denn <=-

    You are incorrect. I'm actually conservative. But I'm also an engineer
    so I do have a brain, unlike you and Dr. Whatever.

    Your statements say otherwise.

    *Plonk*


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Dumas Walker on Sun Jan 16 05:04:00 2022
    Dumas Walker wrote to MRO <=-

    Hope it is not COVID again. :( There is something going around here
    that apparently is not COVID because people test negative for it. They run a fever above 100F, usually for more than one day. The other
    symptoms are mostly gastro-intestinal (like some of the early COVID strains were) and fatigue.

    Our immune system is like everything else in our bodies. i.e. it needs to be exersized to stay strong.

    For the last 2 years, we've been subjected to an overuse of hand sanitizer and other sterilization procedures hell bent on not allowing us to be exposed to any microorganisms.

    Also, we've been prohibited from being in groups (for the most part), which also lowers our exposure rate.

    Speculation:
    What we are seeing is simply our bodies reacting to the normal colds and flus that are out at this time of year and, because our immune systems haven't been exercised as much over the last 2 years, our bodies have to work harder to fight them off.


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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Sun Jan 16 04:14:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: MRO to Denn on Sun Jan 16 2022 12:41 am

    HAHAHAHAA, an engineer.
    So are you a Janatorial Engineer? that must be it.
    See that's why I think you're a leftist, you use the same tactics like
    acting as though you're smarter than everyone else, the belittling and
    berating instead of debating.
    If you think that makes you look smart think again.


    dave is so stupid he couldnt pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the bottom.

    Just LOL :)

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sun Jan 16 06:39:00 2022
    there's this 'not covid' going on at work and a lady that trained me had it. els like covid.
    i had the shits and my hips and back were aching so bad i couldnt sleep. i eve
    had a heating pad under me until i burnt my back.

    From what I have heard, it sounds almost worse that COVID.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sun Jan 16 12:56:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Jan 16 2022 11:39 am

    there's this 'not covid' going on at work and a lady that trained me had it. els like covid.
    i had the shits and my hips and back were aching so bad i couldnt sleep. i eve
    had a heating pad under me until i burnt my back.

    From what I have heard, it sounds almost worse that COVID.



    i think people get better quicker.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Mon Jan 17 06:12:00 2022
    there's this 'not covid' going on at work and a lady that trained me had it. els like covid.
    i had the shits and my hips and back were aching so bad i couldnt sleep. eve
    had a heating pad under me until i burnt my back.

    From what I have heard, it sounds almost worse that COVID.



    i think people get better quicker.

    That would be good. Someone who works in the building next door to mine supposedly lost ~18 lbs in a couple of days with it.


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  • From ROBERT WOLFE@VERT/OTHETA to DUMAS WALKER on Mon Jan 17 06:09:00 2022

    On Jan 17, 2022 11:12am, DUMAS WALKER wrote to :

    i think people get better quicker.

    That would be good. Someone who works in the building next door to mine supposedly lost ~18 lbs in a couple of days with it.

    Not a good way to lose weight. :(

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Mon Jan 17 09:15:00 2022
    Speculation:
    What we are seeing is simply our bodies reacting to the normal colds and flus that are out at this time of year and, because our immune systems haven't been
    exercised as much over the last 2 years, our bodies have to work harder to fight them off.

    Before this, they were warning us not to use too much hand sanitizer and
    other such products for similar reasons. I have not heard them say don't
    use it since. I am guessing it will eventually become "it is ok to overuse
    it just so long as it is made and distributed by a 'woke' company.
    Otherwise, overuse is dangerous."


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Mon Jan 17 19:35:00 2022
    Re: Re: Booster
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Mon Jan 17 2022 11:12 am

    i think people get better quicker.

    That would be good. Someone who works in the building next door to mine supposedly lost ~18 lbs in a couple of days with it.


    you mean with this flu thing going around? that's probably water weight.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Tue Jan 18 11:49:00 2022
    i think people get better quicker.

    That would be good. Someone who works in the building next door to mine supposedly lost ~18 lbs in a couple of days with it.


    you mean with this flu thing going around? that's probably water weight.

    With the not-COVID tummy bug going around, yes.


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