• Re: Covid Delta

    From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Denn on Thu Sep 23 04:02:00 2021
    Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-

    They believe themselves to be more intellegent but prove time after
    time they're not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

    That's why I use the term "believe". They cannot mentally accept failure on their part, so they will always blame their failures on someone/something else.

    Yes they're a stuborn bunch who want to block the theraputics that are working to help alieviate Covid symtoms.

    If the theraputics work, then
    1) the not-vaccine is not necessary and all their promises of the not-vax "fixing" everything is proven false - painful for them.
    2) the COVID fear evaporates, which means that the population becomes harder to control again.


    ... Don't overtax yourself; that's the Government's job.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Denn on Thu Sep 23 04:04:00 2021
    Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I have not had the flu or a cold for two years now.

    I haven't either. But my doctor has had me on high-dose Vitamin D for a while now (my blood pressure medicine makes me photo-sensitive, so I rarely get enough sunlight).

    It's well known that Vitamin D helps your immune system and that "cold and flu" season is also known as "low Vitamin D" season - especially for the northern part of the U.S.


    ... Don't overtax yourself; that's the Government's job.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 04:08:00 2021
    DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-

    And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The posterboy for
    the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that may not jive with what
    he wants to believe.

    Lefties always project.


    ... Have a cold? Let me introduce you to Doc Jack Kevorkian.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to The Lizard Master on Thu Sep 23 04:11:00 2021
    The Lizard Master wrote to Tracker1 <=-

    The flu vaccine is typically less than 50% effective... then again,
    nobody ever tried to mandate people take it.

    It also leads to better outcomes if you do get the flu post vaccine similar to what we are seeing with C19.

    Which is why I started taking it decades ago. My grandparents had me get a flu shot one year and I was one of the few in my college that didn't get sick that year.

    Now, I fear that they will try to sneak the not-vaccine in while telling us that it's the "flu" shot.


    ... Bank Rule: To get a loan, first prove you don't need it.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From plt@VERT/SBBSVA to Dr. What on Thu Sep 23 06:16:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dr. What to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 08:08:00

    DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-

    And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The posterboy for the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that may not jive with what he wants to believe.

    Lefties always project.

    The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a conspiracy!

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ FTP Networks, over 170,000 downloadable files & online games --> sbbs.dynu.net 2
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Arelor on Thu Sep 23 04:11:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Arelor to DaiTengu on Wed Sep 22 2021 03:17 pm

    In fact authorities are making a point about vaccinating peple who has already beaten COVID around a month after they kick it out, and highlighting the need it NOT be the J&J one because the J&J one gives you the same immunity the virus gives, unlike the others.

    If that does not make sense to you, don't worry, because it does not for me either. Specially with the numbers that are rolling in according to which mRNA vaccines are an order of magnitude bellow disease granted immunity.

    It makes perfect sense to me. The J&J effacacy was only around 70% or so at preventing symptoms. It's also a traditional vaccine, so it's made from bits of the coronavirus, which means it's similar to getting the virus, just without all the horrible side effects.

    DaiTengu

    ... How do you tell when you're out of invisible ink?

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Denn on Thu Sep 23 04:15:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Denn to DaiTengu on Wed Sep 22 2021 11:01 pm

    The goal of masks is to reduce the viral load transmitted from the
    carrier. A cloth mask may reduce that load coming to you by maybe
    20% or so. It will reduce the viral load outgoing from a carrier by
    50-75%. That's why it's so important that everyone wears a mask,
    because you can be a carrier for days before you experience
    symptoms, and in some cases a carrier may not experience symptoms at
    all, but still spread the virus by breathing and talking.

    Fauci said paper and cloth masks would not keep out droplets.

    It sounds like you've picked out a line from a statement that fits your narrative. Context is king.

    DaiTengu

    ... A Vulcan can no sooner be disloyal than he can exist without breathing.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Denn on Thu Sep 23 04:21:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Denn to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 12:40 am

    I'm not telling people not to get the vax shot but for some Idiot to mandate and force people to get the shot is wrong, it's their choice, not yours, not mine and not Joe Bidens.
    I got my shots in march 2021 that was my choice, If someone decides not to get the vax and gets "Long haul Covid" it was thir choice.
    Even if you get the vaccine you can still get Covid, especially the Delta varient.

    You have a much lower chance of getting it, if everyone around you is also vaccinated. That's how vaccines work. That's why there's vaccine mandates.

    There are supreme court rulings that allow for vaccine mandates as far back as 1905.

    DaiTengu

    ... Not tonight honey, ...I feel a modem coming on.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Denn on Thu Sep 23 04:28:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Denn to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 12:43 am

    The more people that get Covid and recover along with those who get vaccinated the closer we get to heard imunity, It's idiot alarmists like you and plt I worry about.

    I'm not an alarmist. I am a pessimist though.

    I'm also a realist. You can keep living in your rose-colored bubble where no one you know gets sick or dies from COVID. Where none of your friends work in ICUs at hospitals, and you don't have to hear about them struggling to find space for people who are suffering from chest pains or other life-threatening issues due to the space being taken up by covid patients.

    DaiTengu

    ... If a circuit cannot fail, it will.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Thu Sep 23 04:35:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 03:27 am

    well, there's nothing we can do except work at being healthier. We just aren't healthy anymore and that's our best defense against covid and future viruses and diseases.

    Yes and no. There are plenty of fully healthy people getting seriously sick and even dying at this point.

    there's nothing else you can do. you will get covid. and you will get variants. right now i think i might have concentration problems and i feel kinda shakey at night when i'm at work. there's nothing i can do about it except soldier on. ---

    Man, I thought I was a pessimist. That's like saying "Well, my computer stopped working, I'll just throw it out, there's nothing I can do"

    If you're not good with computers, take your computer to someone who is. Or, in your case, go to a fucking doctor.

    DaiTengu

    ... The brain is as strong as its weakest think.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Lizard Master on Thu Sep 23 05:33:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: The Lizard Master to Dr. What on Thu Sep 23 2021 08:20 am

    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dr. What to Tracker1 on Wed Sep 22 2021 08:57 am

    I remember hearing that only about 20% of the population get the the flu vaccine.

    I have a feeling that number is going to go way down this year.

    I would suggest getting it. I have a friend in his early 30's who went on a vent. He had the unfortunate luck of getting the Flu and Covid at the same time. He survived thankfully.

    ---TLM

    how good is the vaccine against all these new variants, though.
    why even get it if it's not fine tuned to whats out there now.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Thu Sep 23 05:34:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dr. What to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 08:02 am

    Yes they're a stuborn bunch who want to block the theraputics that are working to help alieviate Covid symtoms.

    If the theraputics work, then
    1) the not-vaccine is not necessary and all their promises of the not-vax "fixing" everything is proven false - painful for them.
    2) the COVID fear evaporates, which means that the population becomes harder to control again.


    before they said the covid would go away if we all would wear masks.
    it's just illogical bullshit.

    take the vaccine so you wont get my vaccinated self sick. what?
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Thu Sep 23 05:35:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dr. What to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 08:04 am

    Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I have not had the flu or a cold for two years now.

    I haven't either. But my doctor has had me on high-dose Vitamin D for a while now (my blood pressure medicine makes me photo-sensitive, so I rarely get enough sunlight).

    It's well known that Vitamin D helps your immune system and that "cold and flu" season is also known as "low Vitamin D" season - especially for the northern part of the U.S.


    last month when i had covid i went out of the porch and sat in a chair in the noon sun for about half an hour. i certainly felt something working there.
    it felt like the uv light was soaking into my body and killing covid.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to plt on Thu Sep 23 05:23:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: plt to Dr. What on Thu Sep 23 2021 10:16 am

    And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The posterboy
    for the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that may not jive
    with what he wants to believe.

    Lefties always project.

    The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a conspiracy!

    the china virus (Covid-19) is very political.
    Yes the virus is real and can be deadly if you're Obese, Elderly or have comorbidities.
    You "WILL" get covid, does that mean you hide in a bunker for the rest of your life?

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dr. What on Thu Sep 23 04:59:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dr. What to The Lizard Master on Thu Sep 23 2021 08:11 am

    Which is why I started taking it decades ago. My grandparents had me get a flu shot one year and I was one of the few in my college that didn't get sick that year.

    I got a flu shot in 1999 (December, I think), and immediately got very sick. Ironically, my employer at the time had paid for the flu shot and I ended up having to stay home from work due to being sick.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From plt@VERT/SBBSVA to Denn on Thu Sep 23 08:13:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Denn to plt on Thu Sep 23 2021 09:23:21

    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: plt to Dr. What on Thu Sep 23 2021 10:16 am

    And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The posterboy Da>> for the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that may not jive Da>> with what he wants to believe.

    Lefties always project.

    The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a conspiracy!

    the china virus (Covid-19) is very political.
    Yes the virus is real and can be deadly if you're Obese, Elderly or have comorbidities.


    People are dead at the age of 60 and they are not elders. Your point is?

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ FTP Networks, over 170,000 downloadable files & online games --> sbbs.dynu.net 2
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 05:41:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: DaiTengu to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 08:15 am

    The goal of masks is to reduce the viral load transmitted from the
    carrier. A cloth mask may reduce that load coming to you by maybe
    20% or so. It will reduce the viral load outgoing from a carrier by
    50-75%. That's why it's so important that everyone wears a mask,
    because you can be a carrier for days before you experience
    symptoms, and in some cases a carrier may not experience symptoms
    at all, but still spread the virus by breathing and talking.

    Fauci said paper and cloth masks would not keep out droplets.

    It sounds like you've picked out a line from a statement that fits your narrative. Context is king.

    No, It's what Dr. Quack Fauci actually said and not out of context.
    There are many video's out there showing exactly what Dr. Flip Flop has said and then changed what he said to kiss the asses of his politcal party.
    Fuaci is a total fraud.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 05:53:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: DaiTengu to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 08:21 am

    I'm not telling people not to get the vax shot but for some Idiot to
    mandate and force people to get the shot is wrong, it's their
    choice, not yours, not mine and not Joe Bidens.
    I got my shots in march 2021 that was my choice, If someone decides
    not to get the vax and gets "Long haul Covid" it was thir choice.
    Even if you get the vaccine you can still get Covid, especially the
    Delta varient.

    You have a much lower chance of getting it, if everyone around you is also vaccinated. That's how vaccines work. That's why there's vaccine mandates.

    Since the virus dies after a couple of minutes on surfaces and is mainly spread through airisol particulates keeping a decent distance from people who are coughing, sneezing etc.. is about the only way to avoid it.
    so yeah you can't avoid it forever vaccinated or not you're going to get it. the antibodies your body produces after having contracted covid are showing to be way more effective than the china virus covid shots.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 06:03:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: DaiTengu to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 08:28 am

    The more people that get Covid and recover along with those who get
    vaccinated the closer we get to heard imunity, It's idiot alarmists
    like you and plt I worry about.

    I'm not an alarmist. I am a pessimist though.

    I'm also a realist. You can keep living in your rose-colored bubble where no one you know gets sick or dies from COVID. Where none of your friends work in ICUs at hospitals, and you don't have to hear about them struggling to find space for people who are suffering from chest pains or other life-threatening issues due to the space being taken up by covid patients.

    1st off, I know many people who got the virus, one older guy I knew died after being put on a vent, that's where thereputics possibly could have helped him. 2nd off the hospitals are not filling up, there is a nursing medical professional shortage, they don't have the staff they need so they're having a problem keeping up with hospitalizations.
    There are thereputics they're using now in some places like Florida that are proving to work.
    Most people I know that got the China virus have recovered and are doing fine.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Thu Sep 23 06:08:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to The Lizard Master on Thu Sep 23 2021 09:33 am

    I remember hearing that only about 20% of the population get the the
    flu vaccine.

    I have a feeling that number is going to go way down this year.

    I would suggest getting it. I have a friend in his early 30's who
    went on a vent. He had the unfortunate luck of getting the Flu and
    Covid at the same time. He survived thankfully.

    how good is the vaccine against all these new variants, though.
    why even get it if it's not fine tuned to whats out there now.

    That's a huge problem, we don't know how effective the China Virus shot will be against all the new strains.
    Like I keep saying and even Dr. Flip Flop quack Fauci has said it "Heard Immunity" is probably the only way to get this under controll.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Thu Sep 23 06:11:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to Dr. What on Thu Sep 23 2021 09:34 am

    If the theraputics work, then
    1) the not-vaccine is not necessary and all their promises of the
    not-vax "fixing" everything is proven false - painful for them.
    2) the COVID fear evaporates, which means that the population becomes
    harder to control again.


    before they said the covid would go away if we all would wear masks.
    it's just illogical bullshit.

    The paper masks we are forced to wear have very little protection against the airborn particulates of covid.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From plt@VERT/SBBSVA to Dr. What on Thu Sep 23 08:46:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dr. What to The Lizard Master on Thu Sep 23 2021 08:11:00

    Now, I fear that they will try to sneak the not-vaccine in while telling us that it's the "flu" shot.

    That is not true.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ FTP Networks, over 170,000 downloadable files & online games --> sbbs.dynu.net 2
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 07:29:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: DaiTengu to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 08:21 am


    You have a much lower chance of getting it, if everyone around you is also vaccinated. That's how vaccines work. That's why there's vaccine mandates.

    There are supreme court rulings that allow for vaccine mandates as far back as 1905.

    DaiTengu


    this is covid 19. everything we try with it doesn't work. mostly because of our own human stupidity and travel.

    if we would just ban travel for a period of time that would have stopped a lot of spread. masks werent cutting it. now the vaccines arent good enough.

    i got sick from a dude that was vaccinated. he thought it was fine to go out to huge super spreader events. he got sicker than me.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 07:31:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: DaiTengu to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 08:28 am

    I'm also a realist. You can keep living in your rose-colored bubble where no one you know gets sick or dies from COVID. Where none of your friends work in ICUs at hospitals, and you don't have to hear about them struggling to find space for people who are suffering from chest pains or other life-threatening issues due to the space being taken up by covid patients.


    be real and accept that the only thing we can do is become more healthy.
    that's the key.

    be healthy and have clean habits.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 07:35:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Thu Sep 23 2021 08:35 am

    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 03:27 am

    well, there's nothing we can do except work at being healthier. We just aren't healthy anymore and that's our best defense against covid and future viruses and diseases.

    Yes and no. There are plenty of fully healthy people getting seriously sick and even dying at this point.

    well your definition of plenty isnt enough to be plenty.

    being healthy is the best defense from having complications from covid-19. statistically.

    there's nothing else you can do. you will get covid. and you will get variants. right now i think i might have concentration problems and i feel kinda shakey at night when i'm at work. there's nothing i can do about it except soldier on. ---

    Man, I thought I was a pessimist. That's like saying "Well, my computer stopped working, I'll just throw it out, there's nothing I can do"


    i'm not being a pessimist. people need to get healthy. also like i said before, travel is playing a big part of keeping this shit circulating and coming back.

    If you're not good with computers, take your computer to someone who is. Or, in your case, go to a fucking doctor.

    whats a doctor going to do other than give me a big bill? weight me, take my blood pressure and then i pay 500-800 bucks. no thanks.

    doctors dont know shit and the world's doctors can't affect the spread of corona virus. that's a proven fact. we don't know how to handle this and we're lucky it's not a much deadly virus. we'd all be wiped the fuck out.

    well, except for vauci and the other elites.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 07:43:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: DaiTengu to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 08:21 am

    There are supreme court rulings that allow for vaccine mandates as far back 1905.

    Next time somebody disagrees with me, I am going to dig in History for the equivalent Roman law (since Spanish law drinks so much from Roman Law) and say:

    "My position is right. there is jurisprudence dating as far back as 125 a.c."

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Thu Sep 23 06:40:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Nightfox to Dr. What on Thu Sep 23 2021 08:59 am

    Which is why I started taking it decades ago. My grandparents had me
    get a flu shot one year and I was one of the few in my college that
    didn't get sick that year.

    I got a flu shot in 1999 (December, I think), and immediately got very sick. Ironically, my employer at the time had paid for the flu shot and I ended up having to stay home from work due to being sick.

    Win win, at least if your employer paid you for sick leave :)
    Well maybe not depending on how sick you got.
    I get the flu shot every year so far have had no problems.
    I have got mild flu after a shot once or twice but nothing bad enough to keep me from going to work.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to plt on Thu Sep 23 06:48:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: plt to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 12:13 pm

    And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The
    posterboy for the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that
    may not jive with what he wants to believe.

    Lefties always project.

    The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a
    conspiracy!

    the china virus (Covid-19) is very political.
    Yes the virus is real and can be deadly if you're Obese, Elderly or
    have comorbidities.


    People are dead at the age of 60 and they are not elders. Your point is?

    Even a child can have comorbidities and die from covid.
    your point was that covid is not political, it has become very political to the point where DemocRAT's are trying to use powers they don't have constatutionaly.
    If the DemocRAT's were really worried about covid why are they being caught time after time at large gathering having fun and no masks in sight?
    truth is they're not worried.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From plt@VERT/SBBSVA to Denn on Thu Sep 23 12:18:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Denn to plt on Thu Sep 23 2021 10:48:07

    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: plt to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 12:13 pm

    And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The
    posterboy for the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that Da>>> may not jive with what he wants to believe.

    Lefties always project.

    The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a
    conspiracy!

    the china virus (Covid-19) is very political.
    Yes the virus is real and can be deadly if you're Obese, Elderly or
    have comorbidities.


    People are dead at the age of 60 and they are not elders. Your point is?

    Even a child can have comorbidities and die from covid.
    your point was that covid is not political, it has become very political to the point where DemocRAT's are trying to use powers
    they don't have constatutionaly.
    If the DemocRAT's were really worried about covid why are they being caught time after time at large gathering having fun and
    no
    masks in sight?
    truth is they're not worried.


    Your analysis is wrong, they are only trying to stop the spread of the virus and more people from dying. For Chiina, Rusia and North Korea continues to spread false information, abuse during human rights and other things.

    It's wrong for people to task risk of getting other people infected with the virus.

    Even I was hospital I still follow CDC guidelines that is why I never get the virus.

    1. Get your shot
    2. Keep your hands clean
    3. Wear a mask when your acound people
    4. Stay away from large crowd of people.

    Last of all the Governor of Florida is a idiot

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ FTP Networks, over 170,000 downloadable files & online games --> sbbs.dynu.net 2
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to plt on Thu Sep 23 11:46:00 2021
    On 9/21/2021 7:09 PM, plt wrote:
    LOL, Trump is a proponent of the shot. He's the guy who green-lit
    all the liability shields, funding and emergency approvals.

    He stalle when it first started saying something like "I am not
    worried, it will o away". It's right on the news recording.

    Right... because nobody *EVER* changes their opinion when given more/new information.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Denn on Thu Sep 23 11:50:00 2021
    On 9/21/2021 11:17 PM, Denn wrote:
    It's all overblown... should people get the poke? probably... should
    they be forced to, or limited from social events, or have to take
    endless boosters? Absolutely not. It's absolutely a money grab, and
    unless the shield or limitations from liability are removed from the
    govt and the pharma companies, nobody should be consider forcing anyone
    to take it.

    Yep always follow the money trail, Biden is pushing hard for a third shot, what kind of kick back does he get?

    The third shot ("Booster") being considered would be one that got final approval from the FDA, not the earlier version sunder "emergency"
    provisions.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to The Lizard Master on Thu Sep 23 11:55:00 2021
    On 9/22/2021 5:21 AM, The Lizard Master wrote:
    govt and the pharma companies, nobody should be consider forcing
    anyone to take it.

    How about private enterprise? Many companies are taking a stand with
    this, it's not just govt and pharma.

    If an employer forces their employees to take the poke, they can be
    held legally liable for any complications as a result. *UNLESS* it
    is mandated by the government... again, I'm not in favor of government
    mandates on this as long as responsible parties are shielded from
    liability.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to MRO on Thu Sep 23 13:28:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to The Lizard Master on Thu Sep 23 2021 09:33 am

    I remember hearing that only about 20% of the population get the the flu vaccine.

    I have a feeling that number is going to go way down this year.

    I would suggest getting it. I have a friend in his early 30's who went on a vent. He had the unfortunate luck of getting the Flu and Covid at the same time. He survived thankfully.

    ---TLM

    how good is the vaccine against all these new variants, though.
    why even get it if it's not fine tuned to whats out there now.

    I was referring to the flu shot (which you might be talking about since there are a ton of variants there too). Moderna says they will have a delta booster by early 2022 and that by this time next year we should be back to a more "normal" state with this thing. Here's hoping.

    *remind me 1 year

    ---TLM

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Nite Eyes BBS - To make people happy about my tagline everywhere...
  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to MRO on Thu Sep 23 13:30:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to Dr. What on Thu Sep 23 2021 09:35 am

    I haven't either. But my doctor has had me on high-dose Vitamin D for a while now (my blood pressure medicine makes me photo-sensitive, so I rarely get enough sunlight).

    It's well known that Vitamin D helps your immune system and that "cold and flu" season is also known as "low Vitamin D" season - especially for the northern part of the U.S.


    last month when i had covid i went out of the porch and sat in a chair in the noon sun for about half an hour. i certainly felt something working there.
    it felt like the uv light was soaking into my body and killing covid.

    I also sat out in the sun. Everyone should check their Vitamin D levels. Mine were low at one point in my life, I just started taking a mutli-vitamin and walking/running out side a little and it's been perfect levels ever since.

    That's been a big factor since the beginning. Weight and Vitamin D are huge factors.

    ---TLM

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Nite Eyes BBS - To make people happy about my tagline everywhere...
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Thu Sep 23 14:13:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 11:29 am

    There are supreme court rulings that allow for vaccine mandates as far
    back as 1905.

    DaiTengu


    this is covid 19. everything we try with it doesn't work. mostly because of our own human stupidity and travel.
    if we would just ban travel for a period of time that would have stopped a lot of spread. masks werent cutting it. now the vaccines arent good enough.

    If we would have banned travel and large gathrings it wouldn't have helped either because Democrats would still break the rules like at Obama's Birthday party, and Republicans would have as well.
    earlier vaccines like Polio actually worked to a large extent, much better than the Covid vaccines, Still getting the China Flu shot for the Elderly, Obese and those with Comorbidities seems to at least help.
    Some people don't want the China shot, as long as I have mine I should be ok, I am still somewhat careful when I goto stores and restraunts and places like that, If someone coughs or sneezes I stay out of their viral load space.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Thu Sep 23 13:32:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Tracker1 to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 03:50 pm

    Yep always follow the money trail, Biden is pushing hard for a third
    shot, what kind of kick back does he get?

    The third shot ("Booster") being considered would be one that got final approval from the FDA, not the earlier version sunder "emergency" provisions.

    I had heard that the 1st & 2nd doses of Pfizer and Moderna were the same. I thought a 3rd booster dose would also be the same as the first 2 doses..

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to plt on Thu Sep 23 14:39:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: plt to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 04:18 pm

    Even a child can have comorbidities and die from covid.
    your point was that covid is not political, it has become very
    political to the point where DemocRAT's are trying to use powers they
    don't have constatutionaly. If the DemocRAT's were really worried
    about covid why are they being caught time after time at large
    gathering having fun and no masks in sight?
    truth is they're not worried.


    Your analysis is wrong, they are only trying to stop the spread of the virus and more people from dying. For Chiina, Rusia and North Korea continues to spread false information, abuse during human rights and other things.

    No, I am right the China Virus is political to a fault, and there are several lawsuits right now of Bidens unconstitutional abuse of power.

    It's wrong for people to task risk of getting other people infected with the virus.

    Even I was hospital I still follow CDC guidelines that is why I never get the virus.

    1. Get your shot

    People have the right to Decide if they get the China shot or not.

    2. Keep your hands clean

    Yes wash your hands often, this helps to some degree.

    3. Wear a mask when your acound people

    No, Obama dosen't wear a mask in large gatherins, Gavin Newsome dosent either, neither does London Breed mayor of San Fran Cisco.

    4. Stay away from large crowd of people.

    Uhm no, Americans love colledge football, Baseball, Nascar et.... we will not bend the knee to the leftist elitist's.
    people will keep shouting f*ck Joe Biden in arena's all across America.

    Like I said before, if you have had covid you have antibodies far superior to the China shot.
    If you had the China shot you're at least 80% protected 6 months after the shot.
    at least I agree with point #2 of yours.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Tracker1 on Thu Sep 23 14:45:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Tracker1 to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 03:50 pm

    Yep always follow the money trail, Biden is pushing hard for a third
    shot, what kind of kick back does he get?

    The third shot ("Booster") being considered would be one that got final approval from the FDA, not the earlier version sunder "emergency" provisions.

    The point is Biden is trying to mandate shots for all and a booster shot after a period of time.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From plt@VERT/SBBSVA to Tracker1 on Thu Sep 23 18:22:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Tracker1 to plt on Thu Sep 23 2021 15:46:47

    On 9/21/2021 7:09 PM, plt wrote:
    LOL, Trump is a proponent of the shot. He's the guy who green-lit
    all the liability shields, funding and emergency approvals.

    He stalle when it first started saying something like "I am not
    worried, it will o away". It's right on the news recording.

    Right... because nobody *EVER* changes their opinion when given more/new information.

    Speaking the truth that some posted there option without looking up the true facts.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ FTP Networks, over 170,000 downloadable files & online games --> sbbs.dynu.net 2
  • From plt@VERT/SBBSVA to Denn on Thu Sep 23 18:29:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Denn to plt on Thu Sep 23 2021 18:39:54

    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: plt to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 04:18 pm

    Even a child can have comorbidities and die from covid.
    your point was that covid is not political, it has become very
    political to the point where DemocRAT's are trying to use powers they
    don't have constatutionaly. If the DemocRAT's were really worried
    about covid why are they being caught time after time at large
    gathering having fun and no masks in sight?
    truth is they're not worried.


    Your analysis is wrong, they are only trying to stop the spread of the virus and more people from dying. For Chiina, Rusia
    and
    North Korea continues to spread false information, abuse during human rights and other things.

    No, I am right the China Virus is political to a fault, and there are several lawsuits right now of Bidens unconstitutional
    abuse
    of power.

    It's wrong for people to task risk of getting other people infected with the virus.

    Even I was hospital I still follow CDC guidelines that is why I never get the virus.

    1. Get your shot

    People have the right to Decide if they get the China shot or not.

    The leader of China, Russian and North Korea even Hilter.


    2. Keep your hands clean

    Yes wash your hands often, this helps to some degree.

    It may be enough if the individuals do not follow the other CDC guidelines.


    3. Wear a mask when your acound people

    No, Obama dosen't wear a mask in large gatherins, Gavin Newsome dosent either, neither does London Breed mayor of San Fran
    Cisco.

    4. Stay away from large crowd of people.

    Uhm no, Americans love colledge football, Baseball, Nascar et.... we will not bend the knee to the leftist elitist's.
    people will keep shouting f*ck Joe Biden in arena's all across America.

    Making a bad decision could be the individuals own fault if they get the virus.


    Like I said before, if you have had covid you have antibodies far superior to the China shot.
    If you had the China shot you're at least 80% protected 6 months after the shot.
    at least I agree with point #2 of yours.

    Getting the shot does not give you 100% guarantee even if you had the virus. More research is still being done.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ FTP Networks, over 170,000 downloadable files & online games --> sbbs.dynu.net 2
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to plt on Thu Sep 23 12:11:00 2021
    On 9/22/2021 8:01 PM, plt wrote:

    I speak with clear logic and it shows that you you have to much brain
    damage because your mother knocked you over the head with a frying pan
    to many times.

    You appear to be an ignorant, arrogant asshole who doesn't understand
    that ad hominem attacks aren't a valid argument.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Denn on Thu Sep 23 12:16:00 2021
    On 9/22/2021 10:01 PM, Denn wrote:

    So just to reiterate: Things Fauci said in the order he said them.
    ...
    Fauci said paper and cloth masks would not keep out droplets.

    Fauci is an idiot/ass who was more concerned about protecting his
    connections and reputation than actually delivering an appropriate message.

    What it *SHOULD* have been, is try to maintain an appropriate distance
    (6') in public, avoid large gatherings, wear a mask indoors around other people, even a cloth mask (while not perfect, will help)

    Regarding any shutdowns, they should have centered around large social
    centers (stadiums, theaters, churches and bars) where people are close together for long periods of time.

    If they'd done that, and just that, it would have gone much better. The messaging was inconsistent, politicized bullshit for the most part. The reactions way over the top, especially in Australia and Canada.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Thu Sep 23 12:21:00 2021
    On 9/23/2021 1:27 AM, MRO wrote:

    well, there's nothing we can do except work at being healthier. We
    just aren't healthy anymore and that's our best defense against covid
    and future viruses and diseases.

    Single biggest correlating factor to hospitalization and death is
    Vitamin D deficiency. Of course that is often a large part of not
    having healthy fats in the diet and not getting enough sun. Second is
    obesity (which is heavier correlation to deaths under 80yo).
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Dr. What on Thu Sep 23 12:23:00 2021
    On 9/23/2021 5:04 AM, Dr. What wrote:
    I have not had the flu or a cold for two years now.

    I haven't either. But my doctor has had me on high-dose Vitamin D for a while
    now (my blood pressure medicine makes me photo-sensitive, so I rarely get enough sunlight).

    It's well known that Vitamin D helps your immune system and that "cold and flu"
    season is also known as "low Vitamin D" season - especially for the northern part of the U.S.

    Just make sure to get a good fatty acid profile for better absorption...
    Eggs (esp yolks from pasture raised) are a good option.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to plt on Thu Sep 23 12:26:00 2021
    On 9/23/2021 7:16 AM, plt wrote:

    The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a conspiracy!

    The reactions to the virus are absolutely politicized, from early
    warnings being dismissed as racist conspiracy theory (including the
    origins being man-made) to the excessive lockdowns to the reactionary
    panic, and anti-vax response.

    And, frankly, you're absolutely biased in a way that matches what appear
    to be your political leanings.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 12:31:00 2021
    On 9/23/2021 6:21 AM, DaiTengu wrote:

    You have a much lower chance of getting it, if everyone around you is
    also vaccinated. That's how vaccines work. That's why there's vaccine mandates.

    There are supreme court rulings that allow for vaccine mandates as far
    back as 1905.

    I'm fine with vaccines, and people getting them... I'm not okay with
    mandates accompanied by shields from liability. The government has made
    some detrimental decisions regarding health and safety along with
    corporate interests time and time again. I don't think that they should mandate anything that they aren't liable for.

    Most of the mandates also don't provide appropriate exclusions for those
    at high risk from the vaccines themselves. Although, there's usually a religious exception (which also applies to prior mandate rulings).
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Denn on Thu Sep 23 12:38:00 2021
    On 9/23/2021 9:11 AM, Denn wrote:

    The paper masks we are forced to wear have very little protection
    against the airborn particulates of covid.

    While I would rather take my risks... that's not quite true... the masks
    help, hell scarves and cloth masks help. Are they a perfect barrier
    solution, no... but they are effective enough to help.

    That's where I think the early messaging was entirely crap. They should
    have just said, wear some kind of mask/covering when in public near
    other people. It never needed to be a perfect solution, but the
    flip-flop and inconsistencies were too bullshit. The lockdowns over the
    top. The politics around it all as "anything but what Trump says" was
    fucking bullshit.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Thu Sep 23 12:41:00 2021
    On 9/23/2021 9:29 AM, MRO wrote:

    this is covid 19. everything we try with it doesn't work. mostly
    because of our own human stupidity and travel.

    if we would just ban travel for a period of time that would have
    stopped a lot of spread. masks werent cutting it. now the vaccines
    arent good enough.

    i got sick from a dude that was vaccinated. he thought it was fine to
    go out to huge super spreader events. he got sicker than me.

    I think letting it run its' natural course as expediently as possible is
    still the best answer. Minimal lockdowns/mandates etc. It's been
    politicized to hell. In the end, the only concerns should have been to minimize overwhelming emergency resources. Everything in excess of that single goal was too much.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Arelor on Thu Sep 23 12:43:00 2021
    On 9/23/2021 9:43 AM, Arelor wrote:

    Next time somebody disagrees with me, I am going to dig in History for the equivalent Roman law (since Spanish law drinks so much from Roman Law) and say:

    "My position is right. there is jurisprudence dating as far back as 125 a.c."

    Morality is not always aligned with society or law. There are lots of
    things governments and people do and get away with that still aren't right.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Thu Sep 23 19:37:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Thu Sep 23 2021 05:32 pm

    The third shot ("Booster") being considered would be one that got
    final approval from the FDA, not the earlier version sunder
    "emergency" provisions.

    I had heard that the 1st & 2nd doses of Pfizer and Moderna were the same. I thought a 3rd booster dose would also be the same as the first 2 doses..

    I just read it could be taylored to include the new covid strains, fingers crossed they can do this.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to plt on Thu Sep 23 19:49:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: plt to Tracker1 on Thu Sep 23 2021 10:22 pm

    He stalle when it first started saying something like "I am not
    worried, it will o away". It's right on the news recording.

    Right... because nobody *EVER* changes their opinion when given
    more/new information.

    Speaking the truth that some posted there option without looking up the true facts.

    Actually allot of us here do our research, sounds to me like you just watch CNN and MSNBC all day, you really should try real research and not the spoon fed pablem you've been dispensing here.
    For instance in my state they just opened a monoclonal antibody treatment center like those in Florida, they would'nt do that if there wasn't something to it, it takes 3 to 4 hours total to get the monoclonal treatment, that includes 1 to 2 hours for them to make sure you don't have adverse reactions.
    In most cases I've read people are feeling really good 24 to 48 hours after this treatment as they went in with full blown covid.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Tracker1 on Thu Sep 23 20:02:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Tracker1 to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 04:16 pm

    So just to reiterate: Things Fauci said in the order he said them.
    ...
    Fauci said paper and cloth masks would not keep out droplets.

    Fauci is an idiot/ass who was more concerned about protecting his connections and reputation than actually delivering an appropriate message.

    It's so sad that there is now a Fauci cult in America.
    I can see that masks can keep live particulates from spreading to far.
    but definatley far from perfect.

    Regarding any shutdowns, they should have centered around large social centers (stadiums, theaters, churches and bars) where people are close together for long periods of time.

    And if 5 Governers had not put Covid infected patients in elderly care facilities the virus could have been at least slowed down in these states.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Tracker1 on Thu Sep 23 20:06:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Tracker1 to Dr. What on Thu Sep 23 2021 04:23 pm

    I have not had the flu or a cold for two years now.

    I haven't either. But my doctor has had me on high-dose Vitamin D for
    a while now (my blood pressure medicine makes me photo-sensitive, so I
    rarely get enough sunlight).

    It's well known that Vitamin D helps your immune system and that "cold
    and flu" season is also known as "low Vitamin D" season - especially
    for the northern part of the U.S.

    Just make sure to get a good fatty acid profile for better absorption... Eggs (esp yolks from pasture raised) are a good option.

    It's a good thing I guess that we eat allot of farm fresh eggs.
    two of our kids have chickens so we get free eggs lol.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Tracker1 on Thu Sep 23 20:17:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Tracker1 to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 04:38 pm

    The paper masks we are forced to wear have very little protection
    against the airborn particulates of covid.

    While I would rather take my risks... that's not quite true... the masks help, hell scarves and cloth masks help. Are they a perfect barrier solution, no... but they are effective enough to help.

    That's where I think the early messaging was entirely crap. They should have just said, wear some kind of mask/covering when in public near
    other people. It never needed to be a perfect solution, but the
    flip-flop and inconsistencies were too bullshit. The lockdowns over the top. The politics around it all as "anything but what Trump says" was fucking bullshit.

    My wife made our masks during the hieght of hysteria, we wore them out shopping and such.
    while they probably do help some indoors, I have seen people out walking the dog wearing a mask nobody near them, people riding bicycles, in a car by themselves, it just makes me laugh a little, they're paranoid like plt.
    it's good to be cautious but when you live your life scared to go outside that's a bit to Cautious.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From plt@VERT/SBBSVA to Denn on Thu Sep 23 22:32:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Denn to plt on Thu Sep 23 2021 23:49:17

    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: plt to Tracker1 on Thu Sep 23 2021 10:22 pm

    He stalle when it first started saying something like "I am not
    worried, it will o away". It's right on the news recording.

    Right... because nobody *EVER* changes their opinion when given
    more/new information.

    Speaking the truth that some posted there option without looking up the true facts.

    Actually allot of us here do our research, sounds to me like you just watch CNN and MSNBC all day, you really should try real
    research and not the spoon fed pablem you've been dispensing here.
    For instance in my state they just opened a monoclonal antibody treatment center like those in Florida, they would'nt do that
    if
    there wasn't something to it, it takes 3 to 4 hours total to get the monoclonal treatment, that includes 1 to 2 hours for them
    to
    make sure you don't have adverse reactions.
    In most cases I've read people are feeling really good 24 to 48 hours after this treatment as they went in with full blown

    You all continue to fail to post the facts, so its just giving out false information.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ FTP Networks, over 170,000 downloadable files & online games --> sbbs.dynu.net 2
  • From plt@VERT/SBBSVA to Tracker1 on Thu Sep 23 22:35:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Tracker1 to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 16:38:16

    Whre you are you getting your information from The GOP?

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ FTP Networks, over 170,000 downloadable files & online games --> sbbs.dynu.net 2
  • From plt@VERT/SBBSVA to Tracker1 on Thu Sep 23 22:40:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Tracker1 to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 16:16:37

    most part. The reactions way over the top, especially in Australia and Canada.

    China, Russia and North Korea spread more B.S then they can shovel.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ FTP Networks, over 170,000 downloadable files & online games --> sbbs.dynu.net 2
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to The Lizard Master on Fri Sep 24 04:02:00 2021
    The Lizard Master wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I would suggest getting it. I have a friend in his early 30's who went on a vent. He had the unfortunate luck of getting the Flu and Covid at the same time. He survived thankfully.

    The flu, as well the common cold, both have a tendancy to develop into pneumonia if left untreated. That's been happening for many, many years.


    ... Both of his feet are firmly planted in the air.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to plt on Fri Sep 24 04:03:00 2021
    plt wrote to Dr. What <=-

    The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a
    conspiracy!

    And Lefties always have to push their false Narrative.


    ... Love of money is the root of all politics.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Nightfox on Fri Sep 24 04:07:00 2021
    Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I got a flu shot in 1999 (December, I think), and immediately got very sick. Ironically, my employer at the time had paid for the flu shot
    and I ended up having to stay home from work due to being sick.

    Not uncommon with the flu shots since they were actual vaccines with weakened or dead flu viruses. You actually got the flu after the shot, but that was your body responding to create its defence to the flu.

    Your immune system is like anything else in your body: It needs to be exercised on a regular basis to stay strong. We've known for a long time now that over use of anti-biotics, anti-bacterials, etc. have a drawback of not letting our immune system be exercised as much.


    ... SWF, blonde bombshell, seeks man now. No SYSOPs.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Denn on Fri Sep 24 04:36:00 2021
    Denn wrote to DaiTengu <=-

    2nd off the hospitals are not filling up, there is a
    nursing medical professional shortage, they don't have the staff they
    need so they're having a problem keeping up with hospitalizations.

    And this was caused by the GOVERNMENT'S response to COVID. The gov't shut down hospitals for "non-essential" stuff to prepare for a COVID "surge" that never happened and the prediction was proven to be a complete fabrication.

    That causes a good deal of hospital staff to get laid off and many of them changed careers.

    Now you have the hospitals pushing the unnecessary, unscientific "vaccine" mandate - which is causing even more hospital staff to leave.

    IHMO: The not-vaccine push for hospital staff comes from the gov't mandating it or the hospital will lose their medicaid funding.

    Remember: The gov't never solves problems. It only creates them - especially if its run by the Lefties.


    ... My other computer is a TRS-80 Pocket Computer 2.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Tracker1 on Fri Sep 24 04:39:00 2021
    Tracker1 wrote to plt <=-

    You appear to be an ignorant, arrogant asshole who doesn't understand
    that ad hominem attacks aren't a valid argument.

    In other words: a Leftie. (The term is much shorter than your description.) :)


    ... A narrow mind is usually accompanied by a wide mouth.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Fri Sep 24 05:23:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Thu Sep 23 2021 04:41 pm

    I think letting it run its' natural course as expediently as possible is still the best answer. Minimal lockdowns/mandates etc. It's been politicized to hell. In the end, the only concerns should have been to minimize overwhelming emergency resources. Everything in excess of that single goal was too much.
    --

    well we fucked that up. so it keeps popping up.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Denn on Fri Sep 24 05:08:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Denn to Tracker1 on Fri Sep 24 2021 12:06 am

    It's a good thing I guess that we eat allot of farm fresh eggs.

    What is an allot of eggs?

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Denn on Fri Sep 24 05:09:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Denn to Tracker1 on Fri Sep 24 2021 12:17 am

    while they probably do help some indoors, I have seen people out walking the dog wearing a mask nobody near them, people riding bicycles, in a car by themselves, it just makes me laugh a little, they're paranoid like plt.

    It's a bit silly to wear a mask alone in a car etc., but there have been times when I got back in my car and forgot I had a mask on for several minutes..

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to plt on Fri Sep 24 06:17:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: plt to Denn on Fri Sep 24 2021 02:32 am

    Speaking the truth that some posted there option without looking
    up the true facts.

    Actually allot of us here do our research, sounds to me like you just
    watch CNN and MSNBC all day, you really should try real research and
    not the spoon fed pablem you've been dispensing here. For instance in
    my state they just opened a monoclonal antibody treatment center like
    those in Florida, they would'nt do that if there wasn't something to
    it, it takes 3 to 4 hours total to get the monoclonal treatment, that
    includes 1 to 2 hours for them to make sure you don't have adverse
    reactions. In most cases I've read people are feeling really good 24
    to 48 hours after this treatment as they went in with full blown

    You all continue to fail to post the facts, so its just giving out false information.

    Actually you and your co conspiritors are trying to block actual facts because it goes outside your spoon fed DNC approved narratives.
    there it is above go research it monoclonal antibody treatment.
    I know you won't but there it is for you just in case.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to plt on Fri Sep 24 06:21:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: plt to Tracker1 on Fri Sep 24 2021 02:35 am

    Whre you are you getting your information from The GOP?

    I see you're just here playing on Mommies computer while she is at work.
    Did I nail it or what?

    ... Eat a bat and the whole world eats with you -covid-19

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dr. What on Fri Sep 24 06:34:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dr. What to Denn on Fri Sep 24 2021 08:36 am

    2nd off the hospitals are not filling up, there is a
    nursing medical professional shortage, they don't have the staff
    they need so they're having a problem keeping up with
    hospitalizations.

    And this was caused by the GOVERNMENT'S response to COVID. The gov't shut down hospitals for "non-essential" stuff to prepare for a COVID "surge" that never happened and the prediction was proven to be a complete fabrication.
    That causes a good deal of hospital staff to get laid off and many of them changed careers. Now you have the hospitals pushing the unnecessary, unscientific "vaccine" mandate - which is causing even more hospital staff to leave.

    That's so true, Even my step daughter who is a RN was laid off from a head nurse postion they restructured the staff tittles and duties.
    She imeadiatly got another job where she works less hours but still makes great money.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Fri Sep 24 06:36:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to Tracker1 on Fri Sep 24 2021 09:23 am

    I think letting it run its' natural course as expediently as possible
    is still the best answer. Minimal lockdowns/mandates etc. It's been
    politicized to hell. In the end, the only concerns should have been
    to minimize overwhelming emergency resources. Everything in excess of
    that single goal was too much.
    --

    well we fucked that up. so it keeps popping up.

    Thanks to people like Dr. Flip Flop Fauci.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Fri Sep 24 06:40:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Nightfox to Denn on Fri Sep 24 2021 09:08 am

    It's a good thing I guess that we eat allot of farm fresh eggs.

    What is an allot of eggs?

    me personally maybe a dozen eggs a week lol, maybe not allot of eggs comapred to what some people consume.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Fri Sep 24 06:42:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Nightfox to Denn on Fri Sep 24 2021 09:09 am

    while they probably do help some indoors, I have seen people out
    walking the dog wearing a mask nobody near them, people riding
    bicycles, in a car by themselves, it just makes me laugh a little,
    they're paranoid like plt.

    It's a bit silly to wear a mask alone in a car etc., but there have been times when I got back in my car and forgot I had a mask on for several minutes..

    It's fine if it makes them feel more sucure, I would never bully them over it.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to DaiTengu on Fri Sep 24 03:50:00 2021
    DaiTengu wrote to Denn <=-

    Fauci said paper and cloth masks would not keep out droplets.

    It sounds like you've picked out a line from a statement that fits
    your narrative. Context is king.

    Chet Fauci - he's a bagger at the A&P Market in Evanston.


    ... You can only make one dot at a time
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to DaiTengu on Fri Sep 24 03:56:00 2021
    DaiTengu wrote to Denn <=-

    You have a much lower chance of getting it, if everyone around you is also vaccinated. That's how vaccines work. That's why there's vaccine mandates.

    One of the best metaphors I've seen used moustraps with ping-pong balls to represent the public. Drop one ping-pong ball on a mousetrap and it starts a chain reaction.

    Make every 5 or so traps a glass holding a ping-pong ball (representing a vaccinated individual) and the spread of sprung traps reduces *greatly* -
    and takes longer to run through the exercise. At the end, some of the traps aren't sprung. If you think of a limited number of hospital beds available
    at any time, the speed and frequency of spread becomes a critical part of
    the equation. Anything you could do to slow the spread (even a little bit) like wearing a mask makes a difference.

    That's a great metaphor for the spread of a virus, the ability for vaccines
    to slow down the spread and to lighten the load on the health care systems around the world.


    ... You can only make one dot at a time
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Fri Sep 24 09:07:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 11:29 am

    i got sick from a dude that was vaccinated. he thought it was fine to go out to huge super spreader events. he got sicker than me. ---

    Ah, yes, your giant sample size of ... 2, is it? means it's how it works for everyone.

    A few days ago I posted a whole bunch of :words: about how the virus is transmitted, why masks work, why social distancing works and why vaccines work.
    It can also explain why breakthrough cases happen.

    DaiTengu

    ... A fast has no real nutritional value.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Fri Sep 24 09:09:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 11:31 am

    be real and accept that the only thing we can do is become more healthy. that's the key.

    be healthy and have clean habits.


    I'm all for that, but it's simply not realistic for most people. Shit food is cheap.

    DaiTengu

    ... My other computer is a 486.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Fri Sep 24 09:10:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 11:35 am

    Yes and no. There are plenty of fully healthy people getting seriously
    sick and even dying at this point.

    well your definition of plenty isnt enough to be plenty.

    being healthy is the best defense from having complications from covid-19. statistically.

    Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defense against having serious complications from Covid-19.

    Being healthy is second, for those that are unvaccinated.






    DaiTengu

    ... A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths a statistic.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Arelor on Fri Sep 24 09:14:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Arelor to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 11:43 am

    There are supreme court rulings that allow for vaccine mandates as far
    back 1905.

    Next time somebody disagrees with me, I am going to dig in History for the equivalent Roman law (since Spanish law drinks so much from Roman Law) and say:

    Great. The problem is, Roman Law isn't enforced here in the USA.

    Vaccine mandates are constitutionaly allowed according to a 1905 ruling by the US Supreme Court.

    I mean, unless you'd still like to follow Emperor Decius' decree that all people are required to perform sacrifices to the Roman gods...

    DaiTengu

    ... All work and no play make Jack a dull boy and Jill a wealthy widow.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From plt@VERT/SBBSVA to Denn on Fri Sep 24 13:37:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Denn to plt on Fri Sep 24 2021 10:21:05

    Whre you are you getting your information from The GOP?

    I see you're just here playing on Mommies computer while she is at work. Did I nail it or what?

    ... Eat a bat and the whole world eats with you -covid-19

    Talk like a adult and not like a f*cking child.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ FTP Networks, over 170,000 downloadable files & online games --> sbbs.dynu.net 2
  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Fri Sep 24 12:28:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Nightfox to Denn on Fri Sep 24 2021 09:08 am

    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Denn to Tracker1 on Fri Sep 24 2021 12:06 am

    It's a good thing I guess that we eat allot of farm fresh eggs.

    What is an allot of eggs?

    Nightfox


    Some people I know who is hardcore into muscle building has a massive breakfast of bread and eggs.

    They eat like 8 times a day in order to get the protein necessary to build massive ammounts of muscle.

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Tracker1 on Fri Sep 24 15:49:00 2021
    Hello Tracker1!

    ** On Thursday 23.09.21 - 16:16, Tracker1 wrote to Denn:

    What it *SHOULD* have been, is try to maintain an
    appropriate distance (6') in public, avoid large
    gatherings, wear a mask indoors around other people, even a
    cloth mask (while not perfect, will help)

    Regarding any shutdowns, they should have centered around
    large social centers (stadiums, theaters, churches and
    bars) where people are close together for long periods of
    time.

    If they'd done that, and just that, it would have gone much
    better. The messaging was inconsistent, politicized
    bullshit for the most part. The reactions way over the top,
    especially in Australia and Canada.

    Right. Then, business could at least have been "as usual"
    while avoiding bottle-neck lineups and crowded shops as soon as
    lockdowns and stay-at-home orders were lifted, and.. many
    businesses wouldn't have had to go out of business.


    --- OpenXP 5.0.50
    * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)
    þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to plt on Fri Sep 24 19:15:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: plt to Denn on Fri Sep 24 2021 05:37 pm

    I see you're just here playing on Mommies computer while she is at
    work. Did I nail it or what?

    ... Eat a bat and the whole world eats with you -covid-19

    Talk like a adult and not like a f*cking child.

    So is english your 2nd or 3rd language?

    ... What happens if you're scared half to death twice?

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From plt@VERT/SBBSVA to Denn on Fri Sep 24 21:54:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Denn to plt on Fri Sep 24 2021 23:15:24

    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: plt to Denn on Fri Sep 24 2021 05:37 pm

    I see you're just here playing on Mommies computer while she is at
    work. Did I nail it or what?

    ... Eat a bat and the whole world eats with you -covid-19

    Talk like a adult and not like a f*cking child.

    So is english your 2nd or 3rd language?

    Why do not you try and stop jacking off with you self and get a real life.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ FTP Networks, over 170,000 downloadable files & online games --> sbbs.dynu.net 2
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Sep 25 00:51:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to DaiTengu on Fri Sep 24 2021 07:56 am

    That's a great metaphor for the spread of a virus, the ability for vaccines to slow down the spread and to lighten the load on the health care systems around the world.


    not really. you have to STOP the spread. not slow the spread.

    our health care systems are not overtaxed, that's a media lie.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Sat Sep 25 00:54:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Fri Sep 24 2021 01:07 pm

    i got sick from a dude that was vaccinated. he thought it was fine to go out to huge super spreader events. he got sicker than me. ---

    Ah, yes, your giant sample size of ... 2, is it? means it's how it works for everyone.

    i'm just talking about personal experience. whats wrong with that?
    also where i live has a large concentration of people with corona virus and super spreader events. it's viable information.

    A few days ago I posted a whole bunch of :words: about how the virus is transmitted, why masks work, why social distancing works and why vaccines work. It can also explain why breakthrough cases happen.

    DaiTengu

    yeah it was bullshit too. just like all the other :science: you post.
    if i want to hear BS, i'll turn on CNN.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Sat Sep 25 00:57:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Fri Sep 24 2021 01:09 pm

    healthy. that's the key.

    be healthy and have clean habits.


    I'm all for that, but it's simply not realistic for most people. Shit food is cheap.

    i'm not saying eat organic foods. i'm on a good diet and i'm barely spending any money on food. i'm even buying meat.

    it is entirely realistic. you ever take a family of 4 to mcdonalds? it's expensive. same as any other place.

    in some cases buying prepared food will be cheaper than purchasing ingredients and putting it together yourself. you can still eat something different and come out ahead health wise and financially.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Sat Sep 25 00:57:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Fri Sep 24 2021 01:10 pm

    being healthy is the best defense from having complications from covid-19. statistically.

    Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defense against having serious complications from Covid-19.


    wrong. vaccines dont work.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Sat Sep 25 00:58:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Fri Sep 24 2021 04:28 pm



    Some people I know who is hardcore into muscle building has a massive breakfast of bread and eggs.

    you also can get incredibly hungry after working out.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to plt on Sat Sep 25 04:36:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: plt to Denn on Sat Sep 25 2021 01:54 am

    So is english your 2nd or 3rd language?

    Why do not you try and stop jacking off with you self and get a real life.

    Far left move avoid the qustion and throw out an insault.
    I say far left beacuse there are still many Democrats who are centered same for Republicans, there are extremest wacko's like you on both sides.

    ... A lie can be half way round the world before the truth has got its boots on.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Sat Sep 25 08:24:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Sat Sep 25 2021 04:54 am

    yeah it was bullshit too. just like all the other :science: you post.
    if i want to hear BS, i'll turn on CNN.


    See. therein lies the problem. It's not bullshit. It's facts. Backed up by years, decades and in some cases even a century or more of supporting evidence.
    But feel free to go back and pick it apart, show me where I'm wrong. I've shown in the past I'll admit to mistakes, and change my mind when someone can offer proof that what I've said is factually inaccurate. Here's an opportunity to set me straight.

    DaiTengu

    ... A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Sat Sep 25 08:28:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Sat Sep 25 2021 04:57 am

    i'm not saying eat organic foods. i'm on a good diet and i'm barely spending any money on food. i'm even buying meat.

    it is entirely realistic. you ever take a family of 4 to mcdonalds? it's expensive. same as any other place.

    in some cases buying prepared food will be cheaper than purchasing ingredients and putting it together yourself. you can still eat something different and come out ahead health wise and financially. ---

    I mean, when it comes down to it in order to lose weight (or maintain weight) you need to eat as many or fewer calories than you burn.

    That said, If you're eating nothing but foods loaded with sugar, high fructose corn syrup, or the like, your chances of getting Type 2 Diabetes are pretty good.

    Now, I realize I'm the pot calling the kettle black here, as I'm a fatty fat fat fat, but at least I know _why_ I'm fat. (I'm fat because food is delicious).

    DaiTengu

    ... The OFFICIAL tagline of the 1996 Olympics!

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Sat Sep 25 08:34:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Sat Sep 25 2021 04:57 am

    Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defense
    against having serious complications from Covid-19.

    wrong. vaccines dont work.

    Every area in the US that has a high overall vaccine rate currently has a low hospitalization rate.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/23/covid-vaccination-hospitalizat ion-map/

    (yeah I know, you're going to whine about the "Washington Post" but the facts and figures are there in graphical format. they did the legwork, so they get the click)

    And here's a screenshot of the main map with annotations: https://i.imgur.com/20wHxU0.png

    DaiTengu

    ... We now return to our regularly scheduled flame-throwing.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sat Sep 25 08:57:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Sep 25 2021 04:51 am

    not really. you have to STOP the spread. not slow the spread.

    I don't think it can be totally stopped. Like the flu, it mutates and other strains of the virus start to go around. Just like we've never stopped the spread of flu viruses, I don't think we'll totally stop covid from spreading. It's looking like we're going to be dealing with covid like the flu and dealing with different strains for a long time.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to PLT on Sat Sep 25 06:26:00 2021
    1. Get your shot

    People have the right to Decide if they get the China shot or not.

    The leader of China, Russian and North Korea even Hilter.

    Seeing as how all of those examples are of the "do what I say or else" governing philosophy, I am not sure I see your point here. You seem to be making Denn's point for him.

    Making a bad decision could be the individuals own fault if they get the virus.

    At this point, that is not an untrue statement.


    * SLMR 2.1a * All animals are equal, some more than others.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to TRACKER1 on Sat Sep 25 06:29:00 2021
    The reactions to the virus are absolutely politicized, from early
    warnings being dismissed as racist conspiracy theory (including the
    origins being man-made) to the excessive lockdowns to the reactionary
    panic, and anti-vax response.

    Ironically, those early reactions ("that's racist!") and those later overreactions, both mostly originated from the same side of the political spectrum here in the US.

    Now that I re-read this statement, maybe it is not so ironic after all.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Politics n. Poly "many" + ticks "blood sucking insects"

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DENN on Sat Sep 25 06:33:00 2021
    while they probably do help some indoors, I have seen people out walking the dog wearing a mask nobody near them, people riding bicycles,

    Getting them dirty or wet supposedly lowers their effectiveness, which
    would make wearing them in these situations seem counter productive for
    sure.


    * SLMR 2.1a * War is God's way of teaching us geography.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Sat Sep 25 06:37:00 2021
    It's a bit silly to wear a mask alone in a car etc., but there have been times
    hen I got back in my car and forgot I had a mask on for several minutes..

    If you are making a lot of stops that are not very far apart, it might be better to leave it on rather than touch it to take it off/put it on more
    often.

    That said, I always take mine off between stops if, like you, I remember I
    have one on, unless it is really cold out and the mask is keeping my face
    warm.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Make headlines! Use a corduroy pillow.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DAITENGU on Sat Sep 25 06:47:00 2021
    Vaccine mandates are constitutionaly allowed according to a 1905 ruling by the >US Supreme Court.

    Yes but, considering all of the exceptions to vaccine requirements that
    have been made over the years to accomodate the anti-vaccine crowd, I would
    not be surprised if that ruling is challenged, and possibly overturned,
    based on precident.


    * SLMR 2.1a * A paid up computer is, by definition, obsolete.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to DaiTengu on Sat Sep 25 09:06:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Sat Sep 25 2021 12:34 pm

    Every area in the US that has a high overall vaccine rate currently has a low hospitalization rate.

    I'd tend to think vaccines generally work, but I've heard Israel has had a new surge in covid cases, despite having a fairly high vaccination rate.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to DaiTengu on Sat Sep 25 10:28:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Sat Sep 25 2021 12:34 pm

    Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defense
    against having serious complications from Covid-19.

    wrong. vaccines dont work.

    Every area in the US that has a high overall vaccine rate currently has a low hospitalization rate.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/23/covid-vaccination-hospita lizat ion-map/

    Yeah I probably wouldn't reference the Washinton post, NYT's or the LA Times, their writters are pretty biased for the most part, there are a few honest writters at these papers but the dis-honest writters have overtaken these papers.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Sun Sep 26 08:50:00 2021
    MRO wrote to DaiTengu <=-

    being healthy is the best defense from having complications from covid-19. statistically.

    Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defense against having serious complications from Covid-19.


    wrong. vaccines dont work.

    Vaccines do work. We have a great deal of evidence over the decades on that.

    But the COVID "vaccine" isn't a vaccine.


    ... "Ground Beef" -- A Cow With No Legs!
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Sun Sep 26 17:36:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Sat Sep 25 2021 12:24 pm

    See. therein lies the problem. It's not bullshit. It's facts. Backed up by years, decades and in some cases even a century or more of supporting evidence. But feel free to go back and pick it apart, show me where I'm wrong. I've shown in the past I'll admit to mistakes, and change my mind when someone can offer proof that what I've said is factually inaccurate. Here's an opportunity to set me straight.


    i'm not here to change your mind or spend 45 mins getting you links to shit you wont read.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Sun Sep 26 17:42:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Sat Sep 25 2021 12:28 pm

    I mean, when it comes down to it in order to lose weight (or maintain weight) you need to eat as many or fewer calories than you burn.


    it's not really that simple. it's types of food, you have to drink enough water and you need some exercise. also it's about how your body is.

    for example right now i'm eating a lot but i'm not putting on weight. i've been binge eating sometimes since i had covid. i've gone off my high protein diet for some time.

    so losing weight, maintaining and weight gain is more than 1+1=2
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Sun Sep 26 17:44:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Sat Sep 25 2021 12:34 pm

    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Sat Sep 25 2021 04:57 am

    Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defense
    wrong. vaccines dont work.

    Every area in the US that has a high overall vaccine rate currently has a low hospitalization rate.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/23/covid-vaccination-hospitali zat ion-map/

    i've seen reports where they say there's more vaccinated people sick than unvaccinated.


    i dont really believe what the media reports. they have been lying to us for a long time.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sun Sep 26 17:44:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Sep 25 2021 12:57 pm

    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Sep 25 2021 04:51 am

    not really. you have to STOP the spread. not slow the spread.

    I don't think it can be totally stopped. Like the flu, it mutates and other strains of the virus start to go around. Just like we've never stopped the spread of flu viruses, I don't think we'll totally stop covid from spreading. It's looking like we're going to be dealing with covid like the flu and dealing with different strains for a long time.


    yep. we can't deal with it. nothing we do works.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sun Sep 26 17:46:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Sat Sep 25 2021 10:33 am

    while they probably do help some indoors, I have seen people out walking the dog wearing a mask nobody near them, people riding bicycles,

    Getting them dirty or wet supposedly lowers their effectiveness, which
    would make wearing them in these situations seem counter productive for sure.


    i saw a story about someone who dropped a mask in the bathroom into a puddle of piss and washed it and dried it under a blower. they had to wear it all day long and breathe in piss.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Sun Sep 26 17:48:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Sun Sep 26 2021 12:50 pm

    MRO wrote to DaiTengu <=-

    being healthy is the best defense from having complications from covid-19. statistically.

    Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defense against having serious complications from Covid-19.


    wrong. vaccines dont work.

    Vaccines do work. We have a great deal of evidence over the decades on that.

    But the COVID "vaccine" isn't a vaccine.


    yeah i was just trolling. the covid vaccines are the ones i have distrust in. ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Nightfox on Wed Sep 29 06:17:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Sat Sep 25 2021 01:06 pm

    Every area in the US that has a high overall vaccine rate currently
    has a low hospitalization rate.

    I'd tend to think vaccines generally work, but I've heard Israel has had a new surge in covid cases, despite having a fairly high vaccination rate.


    Breakthrough cases happen. Especially with new mutations and whatnot. if that spike protien mutates enough, the antibodies built up by the vaccine won't be able to recognize it...

    DaiTengu

    ... Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to DaiTengu on Wed Sep 29 07:03:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Wed Sep 29 2021 10:17 am

    Every area in the US that has a high overall vaccine rate currently
    has a low hospitalization rate.

    I'd tend to think vaccines generally work, but I've heard Israel
    has had a new surge in covid cases, despite having a fairly high
    vaccination rate.


    Breakthrough cases happen. Especially with new mutations and whatnot. if that spike protien mutates enough, the antibodies built up by the vaccine won't be able to recognize it...

    So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they keep saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could understand it.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DENN on Wed Sep 29 12:53:00 2021
    So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they keep saying >"Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could understand it.

    On one of the news shows/channels the other day, a lady from the government suggested that the use of "breakthrough" was probably no longer appropriate
    due to the number of cases in vaccinated people that delta has caused.


    * SLMR 2.1a * sophisticated, adj. deprived of its native simplicity.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to DaiTengu on Wed Sep 29 17:25:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Wed Sep 29 2021 10:17 am

    Breakthrough cases happen. Especially with new mutations and whatnot. if that spike protien mutates enough, the antibodies built up by the vaccine won't be able to recognize it...


    if you say so. sounds like russian roulette to me. the cost outweighs the benefits. stop making excuses for these people.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dumas Walker on Wed Sep 29 19:44:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Wed Sep 29 2021 04:53 pm

    So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they keep
    saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could
    understand it.

    On one of the news shows/channels the other day, a lady from the government suggested that the use of "breakthrough" was probably no longer appropriate due to the number of cases in vaccinated people that delta has caused.

    I totally agree with her.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 30 04:09:00 2021
    DaiTengu wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Breakthrough cases happen. Especially with new mutations and whatnot.
    if that spike protien mutates enough, the antibodies built up by the vaccine won't be able to recognize it...

    But our natural immunity doesn't seem to have a problem dealing with the mutations.

    Of course, if the COVID "vaccine" was actually a vaccine, it would handle the mutations as well.


    ... Don't take life seriously...it isn't permanent.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Denn on Thu Sep 30 04:11:00 2021
    Denn wrote to DaiTengu <=-

    So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they keep saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could
    understand it.

    One thing that the Left likes to do is wordsmith.

    Sometimes they use terms incorrectly, changing the definition of those terms (ex: "vaccine").

    Other times they use similar words to create impressions. Did you notice that Lefties live in "houses" or "estates", but Conservatives live in "compounds"?


    ... ...and I betcha she can say it in 10 different languages!
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Thu Sep 30 04:35:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Denn to Dumas Walker on Wed Sep 29 2021 11:44 pm

    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Wed Sep 29 2021 04:53 pm

    So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they keep
    saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could
    understand it.

    On one of the news shows/channels the other day, a lady from the government suggested that the use of "breakthrough" was probably no longer appropriate due to the number of cases in vaccinated people that delta has caused.

    I totally agree with her.

    it's crazy how people parrot the bullshit that is told to them in the media. we've never heard of breakthrough cases of any vaccine until now.
    NEVER.

    now everyone uses that term
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Thumper@VERT/THEWASTE to Dr. What on Thu Sep 30 04:22:00 2021
    Dr. What wrote to Denn <=-

    Denn wrote to DaiTengu <=-

    So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they keep saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could
    understand it.

    One thing that the Left likes to do is wordsmith.

    Sometimes they use terms incorrectly, changing the definition of those terms (ex: "vaccine").

    Other times they use similar words to create impressions. Did you
    notice that Lefties live in "houses" or "estates", but Conservatives
    live in "compounds"?


    They also like to claim all Conservatives live in Trailer Parks....




    ... If a sloth were to clap, it will always sound sarcastic.
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ -=The Wastelands BBS=- -=Since 1990=-
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dr. What on Thu Sep 30 07:19:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dr. What to Denn on Thu Sep 30 2021 08:11 am

    So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they
    keep saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could
    understand it.

    One thing that the Left likes to do is wordsmith.

    and they love to parse words as well.

    Sometimes they use terms incorrectly, changing the definition of those terms (ex: "vaccine").

    Other times they use similar words to create impressions. Did you notice that Lefties live in "houses" or "estates", but Conservatives live in "compounds"?

    That's due to their elitism views, they think they're the chosen and can fix everything, look how they fixed California.
    If you goto LA or Sanfrancisco you better know how to Play shit and needle hopscotch.
    hey raise taxes to fix roads and then they use the money for pork barrel instead.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Thu Sep 30 07:31:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: MRO to Denn on Thu Sep 30 2021 08:35 am

    So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they
    keep saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could >>>understand it.

    On one of the news shows/channels the other day, a lady from the
    government suggested that the use of "breakthrough" was probably
    no longer appropriate due to the number of cases in vaccinated
    people that delta has caused.

    I totally agree with her.

    it's crazy how people parrot the bullshit that is told to them in the media. we've never heard of breakthrough cases of any vaccine until now. NEVER.

    This is so true, if you listen to CNN, MSNBC read NYT or the washington post or any of the leftist meadia the use the exact same wording parroting what the masters at the DNC tell them.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Dr. What on Thu Sep 30 10:24:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dr. What to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 30 2021 08:09 am

    But our natural immunity doesn't seem to have a problem dealing with the mutations.

    Er, it does. There are many, many, MANY examples of people who have had COVID more than once. even before the vaccines came about.

    Of course, if the COVID "vaccine" was actually a vaccine, it would handle the mutations as well.

    Once again, you're ignoring the J&J vaccine, which is a traditional vaccine and reportedly not as effective as the mRNA ones.

    DaiTengu

    ... Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Dr. What on Thu Sep 30 10:31:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dr. What to Denn on Thu Sep 30 2021 08:11 am


    Sometimes they use terms incorrectly, changing the definition of those terms (ex: "vaccine").

    Are you talking about the CDC changing "immunity" to "protection" in their definition? Because no vaccination has ever been 100% effective, as far as I can tell.

    Other times they use similar words to create impressions. Did you notice that Lefties live in "houses" or "estates", but Conservatives live in "compounds"?

    Do you live in a compound? I live in a house. I'm pretty sure any of my conservative-leaning friends also live in houses. Although I guess some may live in apartments or Duplexes....


    Speaking of wordsmithery, Here's a question:

    Can you make a single post without using the word "Leftie" ?

    It doesn't bother me, I'm just curious, I have never, ever, ever, seen a post from you that doesn't feature that word. It sounds like progressives/liberals/democrats have really set up shop and are living rent free in your head.




    DaiTengu

    ... Finagle's Sixth Law: Do NOT believe in miracles -- rely on them!

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Thumper on Fri Oct 1 04:19:00 2021
    Thumper wrote to Dr. What <=-

    They also like to claim all Conservatives live in Trailer Parks....

    I thought that's where they said the White Supremacists live.


    ... A narrow mind is usually accompanied by a wide mouth.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to DaiTengu on Fri Oct 1 04:25:00 2021
    DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-

    But our natural immunity doesn't seem to have a problem dealing with the mutations.

    Er, it does. There are many, many, MANY examples of people who have
    had COVID more than once. even before the vaccines came about.

    And so.... You only prove my point.

    There's an old saying: You don't need to parachute to go sky diving. You need a parachute to go sky diving AGAIN.

    Since, as you claim, there are many examples of people who had COVID more than once, those people recovered. Natural Immunity wins again.

    Or are you buying into the Propaganda that there's a magical substance that will cure a virus forever? It's never happened before. That's why they offer a flu shot every year.

    Once again, you're ignoring the J&J vaccine, which is a traditional vaccine and reportedly not as effective as the mRNA ones.

    A "vaccine" that kills people in other ways is not a vaccine either.


    ... It's not worth it. I'm going back to bed.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Fri Oct 1 06:50:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dr. What to Thumper on Fri Oct 01 2021 08:19 am

    Thumper wrote to Dr. What <=-

    They also like to claim all Conservatives live in Trailer Parks....

    I thought that's where they said the White Supremacists live.


    i lived in a trailer park for a short while. it was great.
    except for the landlord. he was a greedy asshole.

    he mailed out my security deposit almost 9 months later hoping it would bounce back.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Dr. What on Fri Oct 1 08:30:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dr. What to DaiTengu on Fri Oct 01 2021 08:25 am

    But our natural immunity doesn't seem to have a problem dealing with
    the mutations.

    Er, it does. There are many, many, MANY examples of people who have
    had COVID more than once. even before the vaccines came about.

    And so.... You only prove my point.

    There's an old saying: You don't need to parachute to go sky diving. You need a parachute to go sky diving AGAIN.

    Since, as you claim, there are many examples of people who had COVID more than once, those people recovered. Natural Immunity wins again.

    Or are you buying into the Propaganda that there's a magical substance that will cure a virus forever? It's never happened before. That's why they offer a flu shot every year.

    Smallpox. Polio. Yellow fever, Rubella, Diptheria. all eradicated from the USA thanks to vaccinations. Measles _WAS_ declared eradicated, but a bunch of idiots went on a tear about vaccines being "bad for you" and ... well...

    here we are.

    Hell, Smallpox has actually been eradicated from the planet, and Polio is nearly there.

    Once again, you're ignoring the J&J vaccine, which is a traditional
    vaccine and reportedly not as effective as the mRNA ones.

    A "vaccine" that kills people in other ways is not a vaccine either.

    6 women got blood clots from the J&J vaccine, out of 7 million. Based on numbers, you have a 2.4% chance of getting COVID-19, and a 0.05% chance from dying from it.

    Women have a 0.000086% chance of getting blood clots from the J&J vaccine. The chances of a random person dying from covid are many orders of magnitude higher than the chances of getting blood clots from a vaccine.

    The Smallpox vaccination had life-threatening reactions in 14-52 people per million. No one had a problem with it.

    The Polio vaccination actually had a .0002% chance of GIVING You paralytic polio. People were fine with it.

    Not to mention all the people that have adverse reactions to any vaccination, which is far more common than any of the above instances.

    So, what you're saying is that no vaccine ever developed is a "vaccine", I guess?







    DaiTengu

    ... Is man one of God's blunders or is god one of Man's blunders?

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Fri Oct 1 11:59:00 2021
    They also like to claim all Conservatives live in Trailer Parks....

    I thought that's where they said the White Supremacists live.

    "They" say that all white supremacists are conservatives, and vise versa,
    so...


    * SLMR 2.1a * Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to DaiTengu on Sat Oct 2 15:58:00 2021
    DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-

    @MSGID: <615745D2.8221.dove-debate@warensemble.com>
    @REPLY: <61570358.44457.dove-debate@dmine.net>
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dr. What to DaiTengu on
    Fri Oct 01 2021 08:25 am

    But our natural immunity doesn't seem to have a problem dealing with
    the mutations.

    Er, it does. There are many, many, MANY examples of people who have
    had COVID more than once. even before the vaccines came about.

    And so.... You only prove my point.

    There's an old saying: You don't need to parachute to go sky diving. You need a parachute to go sky diving AGAIN.

    Since, as you claim, there are many examples of people who had COVID more than once, those people recovered. Natural Immunity wins again.

    Or are you buying into the Propaganda that there's a magical substance that will cure a virus forever? It's never happened before. That's why they offer a flu shot every year.

    Smallpox. Polio. Yellow fever, Rubella, Diptheria. all eradicated
    from the USA thanks to vaccinations. Measles _WAS_ declared
    eradicated, but a bunch of idiots went on a tear about vaccines being
    "bad for you" and ... well...

    here we are.

    Hell, Smallpox has actually been eradicated from the planet, and Polio
    is nearly there.

    Once again, you're ignoring the J&J vaccine, which is a traditional
    vaccine and reportedly not as effective as the mRNA ones.

    A "vaccine" that kills people in other ways is not a vaccine either.

    6 women got blood clots from the J&J vaccine, out of 7 million. Based
    on numbers, you have a 2.4% chance of getting COVID-19, and a 0.05%
    chance from dying from it.

    Women have a 0.000086% chance of getting blood clots from the J&J
    vaccine. The chances of a random person dying from covid are many
    orders of magnitude higher than the chances of getting blood clots from
    a vaccine.

    The Smallpox vaccination had life-threatening reactions in 14-52 people per million. No one had a problem with it.

    The Polio vaccination actually had a .0002% chance of GIVING You
    paralytic polio. People were fine with it.

    Not to mention all the people that have adverse reactions to any vaccination, which is far more common than any of the above instances.

    So, what you're saying is that no vaccine ever developed is a
    "vaccine", I guess?

    This vaccine will not eradicate Sars-COV-2. Firsty, it is not fully effective in preventing someone contracting and transmitting the virus. Secondly, in order to have a chance at eliminating it, we need to know when people have it. But as many people seems to have this and are either asymptomatic, or have very mild symptoms, identifying those who have it is difficult.

    This makes this disease difficult to eradicate. Also, it is likely to further mutate.

    The constant comparisons to Polio are flawed.

    ... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.org
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Sat Oct 2 04:44:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Boraxman to DaiTengu on Sat Oct 02 2021 07:58 pm

    effective in preventing someone contracting and transmitting the virus. Secondly, in order to have a chance at eliminating it, we need to know when people have it. But as many people seems to have this and are either asymptomatic, or have very mild symptoms, identifying those who have it is difficult.

    This makes this disease difficult to eradicate. Also, it is likely to further mutate.

    exactly. we arent smart enough to test everybody once a week. it's easy and fast to do so, but we cant pull it off.

    also people think if they have the vaccine they are bulletproof.

    i had a woman in a bar the other night yelling at me saying she cant get covid because she had the vaccine. and people that had health problems are the ones that need to worry. i partially believe that but everyone will get it and some people will have issues. that shit goes into your brain. i have concentration problems now. i am doing dumb shit at work that i would have never done before.

    like stuff i'm programmed to do by muscle memory isnt working anymore, so that's when i know something is up.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to DaiTengu on Sat Oct 2 04:55:00 2021
    DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Smallpox. Polio. Yellow fever, Rubella, Diptheria. all eradicated
    from the USA thanks to vaccinations. Measles _WAS_ declared
    eradicated, but a bunch of idiots went on a tear about vaccines being
    "bad for you" and ... well...

    All correct. And all of the above were long tested before they were recommended for everyone. So we knew the side effects (and worked to remove them) and knew how well they worked (and worked to make them better).

    But this is the Left's usual compairson of apples to oranges.

    The COVID vaccine is not a vaccine - by the (non-Left modified) definition of "vaccine". It does not provide immunity. And the makers of it NEVER advertised it as such. It was advertised from the start as a way to do nothing more than reduce COVID symptoms in the high risk people.

    Where are the results from all the tests for the COVID not-vaccine?
    Where are the studies showing all the side effects?
    Where are the studies showing the long term results?

    We have data showing that the not-vaccine doesn't work (as a vaccine).
    We have data showing that the not-vaccine actually makes symptoms from the variants WORSE.
    We have data showing a growing list of (usually really bad) side effects - specially in the young.
    And it hasn't been around long enough do determine any long term results.

    It made sense to give it to the high-risk people, since the risk of dying from COVID was about the risk of dying from the not-vaccine.

    But there is absolutely no science showing that it will help the general public.

    And then there's the Elephant-in-the-Room: Natural immunity - which the vast majority of the public already has - but the Left keeps ignoring it.

    So the real question is "Why are the leftie Tyrants pushing it on everyone?"

    on numbers, you have a 2.4% chance of getting COVID-19, and a 0.05%
    chance from dying from it.

    I take a larger risk driving to work every day.

    COVID simply isn't the problem the Propaganda Ministry - and shills for it like you - make it out to be.


    ... If she can't take the heat, get her out of the oven!
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sat Oct 2 14:30:00 2021
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Saturday 02.10.21 - 08:44, MRO wrote to Boraxman:

    also people think if they have the vaccine they are
    bulletproof.

    They say that on one hand, but then on the other hand they are
    afraid of people who are unvaccinated.

    i have concentration problems now. i am doing dumb shit at
    work that i would have never done before.

    I detect no communication changes from you. You're still
    dishing out the same shit! :D

    like stuff i'm programmed to do by muscle memory isnt
    working anymore, so that's when i know something is up. -+-

    Blame stress from thinking about what that covid-vacc-poison
    might be doing to your brain.


    --- OpenXP 5.0.50
    * Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)
    þ Synchronet þ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sat Oct 2 22:24:00 2021
    Re: Covid Delta
    By: Ogg to MRO on Sat Oct 02 2021 06:30 pm

    i have concentration problems now. i am doing dumb shit at
    work that i would have never done before.

    I detect no communication changes from you. You're still
    dishing out the same shit! :D

    like stuff i'm programmed to do by muscle memory isnt
    working anymore, so that's when i know something is up. -+-

    Blame stress from thinking about what that covid-vacc-poison
    might be doing to your brain.

    no it's something that's happened to me. i still have some weird problems. hopefully it will go away. i'm not stressed about it.
    i didnt have the vaccine. i had covid and now i have antibodies.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Dr. What on Sun Oct 3 06:02:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dr. What to DaiTengu on Sat Oct 02 2021 08:55 am

    Smallpox. Polio. Yellow fever, Rubella, Diptheria. all eradicated
    from the USA thanks to vaccinations. Measles _WAS_ declared
    eradicated, but a bunch of idiots went on a tear about vaccines
    being "bad for you" and ... well...

    All correct. And all of the above were long tested before they were recommended for everyone. So we knew the side effects (and worked to remove them) and knew how well they worked (and worked to make them better).

    All of those vaccinations were pushed out to the public quite quickly after they were developed. Over the years, some were improved and updated. NO VACCINE IS 100% EFFECTIVE.

    Where are the results from all the tests for the COVID not-vaccine?
    Where are the studies showing all the side effects?
    Where are the studies showing the long term results?

    All of this information is avilable. Published by the vaccine manufacturers in various journals and in various governmental repositories throughout the world.
    We have data showing that the not-vaccine doesn't work (as a vaccine).

    Yep, breakthrough cases happen. they happen a lot with stuff like the measels vaccination too! That's why we started to have measels outbreaks in the last decade or so.

    We have data showing that the not-vaccine actually makes symptoms from the variants WORSE.

    I've been able to find no information about this from any medical source. Sounds like you're making shit up here.


    We have data showing a growing list of (usually really bad) side effects - specially in the young.

    It made sense to give it to the high-risk people, since the risk of dying from COVID was about the risk of dying from the not-vaccine.

    Are you talking about the VAERS data? You're not actually that stupid, are you? Tell me you aren't that stupid.


    But there is absolutely no science showing that it will help the general public.

    Except for the mountains and mountains of data that prove it already is. Covid cases and deaths are far lower in areas with high vaccination rates compared to those areas where vaccination rates are low.

    And then there's the Elephant-in-the-Room: Natural immunity - which the vast majority of the public already has - but the Left keeps ignoring it.

    There's no data to back up your claim.

    on numbers, you have a 2.4% chance of getting COVID-19, and a 0.05%
    chance from dying from it.

    I take a larger risk driving to work every day.

    And you probably put your seatbelt on (as mandated by the government), and drive carefully, right? taking precautions, you follow street signs, stop at a red light, etc.? or do you floor it all the way there, blowing through intersections screaming "MY BODY, MY CHOICE!"



    COVID simply isn't the problem the Propaganda Ministry - and shills for it like you - make it out to be.

    Hey, since you've got such a raging hard-on for by-the-book definitions, let's look at the definition for the word "shill"

    noun. a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house, auction, confidence game, etc. a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.

    Do you think someone called me up and is paying me to "shill" for vaccinations on an obscure, dying communications medium? Am I supposed to be getting paid for this? because I have no friends in big pharma, and no loyalty to any political party. I hold no stock in any pharmecutical company (which, in hindsight is something I probably should have corrected a couple years ago, but ... oh well!). So, the reason must be self-interest, but why, if I've already been vaccniated? Is it because, maybe, the vaccine works, and works better the more people get vaccinated?

    So, I'm glad we both agree. the vaccine is safe and effective, because I'm shilling for it.





    Pull your finger out of your ass.

    DaiTengu

    ... Any club that would accept me as a member, I wouldn't want to join.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Denn on Mon Oct 4 00:58:00 2021
    On 9/23/2021 11:17 PM, Denn wrote:

    My wife made our masks during the hieght of hysteria, we wore them out shopping
    and such.
    while they probably do help some indoors, I have seen people out walking the
    dog wearing a mask nobody near them, people riding bicycles, in a car by themselves, it just makes me laugh a little, they're paranoid like plt.
    it's good to be cautious but when you live your life scared to go outside that's a bit to Cautious.

    Anyone wearing a mask by themselves is an idiot, and you should probably
    avoid them.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to plt on Mon Oct 4 00:59:00 2021
    On 9/23/2021 11:35 PM, plt wrote:
    Whre you are you getting your information from The GOP?
    You first... let me guess, the same resources that have failed time and
    time again, and/or are more concerned with profits than safety.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Ogg on Mon Oct 4 01:06:00 2021
    On 9/24/2021 4:49 PM, Ogg wrote:
    What it *SHOULD* have been, is try to maintain an
    appropriate distance (6') in public, avoid large
    gatherings, wear a mask indoors around other people, even a
    cloth mask (while not perfect, will help)

    Regarding any shutdowns, they should have centered around
    large social centers (stadiums, theaters, churches and
    bars) where people are close together for long periods of
    time.

    If they'd done that, and just that, it would have gone much
    better. The messaging was inconsistent, politicized
    bullshit for the most part. The reactions way over the top,
    especially in Australia and Canada.

    Right. Then, business could at least have been "as usual"
    while avoiding bottle-neck lineups and crowded shops as soon as
    lockdowns and stay-at-home orders were lifted, and.. many
    businesses wouldn't have had to go out of business.

    Depends on the business... too many are and have been interdependent on on-demand shipments and limited inventory. Combined with what have been production issues in China/Taiwan/SK etc, were in a large part outside
    US policy control.

    It still would have sucked in a lot of ways/places, but likely better
    overall.
    --
    Michael J. Ryan - tracker1@roughneckbbs.com
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Roughneck BBS - roughneckbbs.com
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Mon Oct 4 17:45:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Tracker1 to Denn on Mon Oct 04 2021 04:58 am


    Anyone wearing a mask by themselves is an idiot, and you should probably avoid them.

    i wear it because i forget about it or i'm just 'dressed' to go someplace else ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Tracker1 on Tue Oct 5 03:54:00 2021
    Tracker1 wrote to Ogg <=-

    Depends on the business... too many are and have been interdependent on on-demand shipments and limited inventory.

    That's the lean inventory system. Many companies have gone to that over time. No warehouses, no stock loss. A big retailer here in Michigan doesn't have warehouses. They just have cross dock facilities. Manufacturer trucks pull in on one end, and unload. The stock goes through the facility, gets split up and comes out the other end to a truck destined for a store.

    The problem isn't lean inventory. It's offshoring of manufacturing, which many companies did to save money because of 1) unions demanding professional level compensation for still-less jobs and 2) the gov't raising the cost of maintaining an employee (think unemployment, insurance, gov't regulations, etc.).


    ... If corn oil comes from corn, where does baby oil . . .
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MRO on Tue Oct 5 03:55:00 2021
    MRO wrote to Tracker1 <=-

    Anyone wearing a mask by themselves is an idiot, and you should probably avoid them.

    i wear it because i forget about it or i'm just 'dressed' to go
    someplace else ---

    I just assume that they are horribly ugly (or didn't bother to brush their teeth this morning) as the reason they are wearing a mask. 8)


    ... Proofread carefully to see if you any words out!
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Tue Oct 5 05:20:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dr. What to Tracker1 on Tue Oct 05 2021 07:54 am


    That's the lean inventory system. Many companies have gone to that over time. No warehouses, no stock loss. A big retailer here in Michigan doesn't have warehouses. They just have cross dock facilities. Manufacturer trucks pull in on one end, and unload. The stock goes through the facility, gets split up and comes out the other end to a truck destined for a store.

    The problem isn't lean inventory. It's offshoring of manufacturing, which

    i worked for a company that supplied caterpillar. they would order X transmissions. BUT.. would want 1 delivered every x amount of days. essentially they were using us as a free warehouse. if we delivered more, they would send it back and fine us.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Dr. What on Tue Oct 5 14:46:00 2021
    Re: Re: Covid Delta
    By: Dr. What to Tracker1 on Tue Oct 05 2021 07:54 am

    Tracker1 wrote to Ogg <=-

    Depends on the business... too many are and have been interdependent on on-dem
    shipments and limited inventory.

    That's the lean inventory system. Many companies have gone to that over time. No
    warehouses, no stock loss. A big retailer here in Michigan doesn't have warehouses
    They just have cross dock facilities. Manufacturer trucks pull in on one end, and
    unload. The stock goes through the facility, gets split up and comes out the other
    end to a truck destined for a store.

    The problem isn't lean inventory. It's offshoring of manufacturing, which many
    companies did to save money because of 1) unions demanding professional level
    compensation for still-less jobs and 2) the gov't raising the cost of maintaining a
    employee (think unemployment, insurance, gov't regulations, etc.).


    ... If corn oil comes from corn, where does baby oil . . .

    At college every professor promoted working without deep inventories as the end all be
    all of stocks administration.

    There is a bunch of markets where such a thing does not work at all I am afraid. If
    you don't have deep stocks you cannot absorb spikes of demand. If your regular saleflow is 100 per week and you store 100 units only, if you get some psycho to
    purchase 90 units on monday you are screwed because chances are you won't get supply
    enough quickly enough for tuesday and every unit you cannot supply will be sold to
    your would-be-customers by your competitors.

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Arelor on Wed Oct 6 04:03:00 2021
    Arelor wrote to Dr. What <=-

    There is a bunch of markets where such a thing does not work at all I
    am afraid. If you don't have deep stocks you cannot absorb spikes of demand.

    And I think that's one of the lessons learned from the scamdemic. I think you'll see companies running lean - with some warehousing to handle the spikes.


    ... I've met zucchini with more potential.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA