RE: BAJA question
BY: Beta to Aragorn on Wed Nov 25 1998 05:41 pm

no idea where to start with it! It's compilcated. It's 16-bit. It uses cu libraries that aren't included (at least not in source form, which means porting to other compilers is next to impossible unless you know exactly those libraries do and can thus write replacements)

The one I got off The Talamasca has all the librarys....

The one on here came from Rob off the official Sync FTP site. I do believe that it has everything excpet the compiler. Rod did intend for us tbe able to continue with the project, that is why he gave up the code.
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RE: Synchronet Source
BY: Tommyknocker to Beta on Wed Nov 25 1998 09:11 pm

The one I got off The Talamasca has all the librarys....

The one on here came from Rob off the official Sync FTP site. I do believ that it has everything excpet the compiler. Rod did intend for us tbe able t continue with the project, that is why he gave up the code.

Does Rob maintain the Sync FTP or does someone else???? UCD said last time he E-Mailed Rob about Sync he got no reply as well..... I was sorta hoping to get the compiler, just to have incase I ever get good enough to use it..
Beta

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RE: Synchronet Source
BY: Beta to Tommyknocker on Thu Nov 26 1998 08:29 pm

Does Rob maintain the Sync FTP or does someone else???? UCD said last time E-Mailed Rob about Sync he got no reply as well..... I was sorta hoping to g the compiler, just to have incase I ever get good enough to use it..

Rob maintains it. Rob does not answer much mail. Rob does not want to be bothered with all this any more.
As for the compiler, he cannot give that away as it is not a shareware program.
If you want to ask about the compiler, send a message to the Synchronet List Server at freelance.com. Rob monitors that list and has been known to answer a question or 2 there.
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RE: Synchronet Source
BY: Tommyknocker to Beta on Fri Nov 27 1998 08:20 am

Rob maintains it. Rob does not answer much mail. Rob does not want to be bothered with all this any more.
As for the compiler, he cannot give that away as it is not a shareware program.

Bummer.... And Bummer.....

If you want to ask about the compiler, send a message to the Synchronet List Server at freelance.com. Rob monitors that list and has been known to answer a question or 2 there.

I'm there! :)
Beta

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RE: Synchronet Source
BY: Tommyknocker to Beta on Wed Nov 25 1998 09:11 pm

no idea where to start with it! It's compilcated. It's 16-bit. It use libraries that aren't included (at least not in source form, which me porting to other compilers is next to impossible unless you know exac those libraries do and can thus write replacements)

The one I got off The Talamasca has all the librarys....

The one on here came from Rob off the official Sync FTP site. I do belie that it has everything excpet the compiler. Rod did intend for us tbe able continue with the project, that is why he gave up the code.

Yes, everything needed to compile it _with_ the compiler Rob used, which is commercial and outdated... That's one of the major problems getting in the way of people wanting to work with the SBBS source...


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RE: Synchronet Source
BY: Aragorn to Tommyknocker on Fri Nov 27 1998 01:16 pm

The one on here came from Rob off the official Sync FTP site. I do bel that it has everything excpet the compiler. Rod did intend for us tbe abl continue with the project, that is why he gave up the code.

Yes, everything needed to compile it _with_ the compiler Rob used, which is commercial and outdated... That's one of the major problems getting in the w of people wanting to work with the SBBS source...

At the time the source code was most substantially developed, Synchronet was a commercial product which required the best compilers available for a given
task to remain competitive (that's why different compiler versions from different manufacturers were used for different parts of the Synchronet package).

Then, and in my opinion, still today, the best compilers available for the PC platform were commercial (Borland and Microsoft's tools top my list today, but at the time of Synchronet v2 development, Borland and Watcom were the best tools for the task). This is simply the price you pay for features and performance. The gnu tools (for example) are great tools for the price (free), but pale in comparison to the productivity and performance offered by commerical development tools.

A gnu port of the Synchronet source (for example) is not a trivial task, but hardly impossible. 99% of the source is ANSI C and/or POSIX compliant and that spells "portability". I've personally ported the released source code to the latest Borland and Microsoft C/C++ compilers without much effort.

I'd like to imagine that the single "major problem" getting in the way of people wanting to work with the SBBS source is that the software was already stable and had all the features anyone could ever want. But in reality, I believe it is simply a lack of sufficient desire. When I first started modifying BBS source code (WWIV, back in the day), I didn't know the first thing about programming in C, but my desire outweighed my lack of knowledge
and experience. The rest is history... :-)

This message isn't intended as a stab at anyone. I realize programming isn't for everyone and there is an element of "natural talent" in good programmers. All I'm saying is that you can't blame the source code for the lack of any post-Digital Dynamics development. Speaking from first-hand knowledge, I can tell you that the source code is extremely portable and in hind-site, was pretty well-written. :-)

Rob

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RE: Synchronet Source
BY: Digital Man to Aragorn on Mon Nov 29 1999 05:35 pm

pretty well-written. :-)

We have known that for years!
TK

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RE: Synchronet Source
BY: Digital Man to Aragorn on Mon Nov 29 1999 17:35:00

tell you that the source code is extremely portable and in hind-site, was pretty well-written. :-)

Heck, I knew that WELL before I saw the source, (an opinion I'm sure several others here will agree with). :-)

Steve

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