I've heard today (October 5, 2021) is the official release day of
Windows 11. I might see if a Windows 11 update appears in my Windows Update for my PC this evening (I've heard they're not rolling it out all at once). If you're using Windows 11, I'm curious what you think of it?
Nightfox
I don't use Windows, at all - however I just got a new laptop and think I should have some Windows install...
This new laptop is a powerhouse and... is it smart/the norm to run Windows 11 [or 10] in a VM? I don't really want/need to get OUT of Linux - only have Windows when needed. [Running RipTEL or some light steam games.]
And... does my Windows 10 key work for Windows 11? Hmmmmm....
I've heard today (October 5, 2021) is the official release day of Windows 11. I might see if a Windows 11 update appears in my Windows Update for my PC this evening (I've heard they're not rolling it out all at once). If you're using Windows 11, I'm curious what you think of it?
This new laptop is a powerhouse and... is it smart/the norm to run Windows 11 [or 10] in a VM? I don't really want/need to get OUT of Linux - only have Windows when needed. [Running RipTEL or some light steam games.]
Microsoft's compatibilty checker says my 16-core AMD Bulldozer server-class processor circa 2015 is not good enough to run Windows 11. I'll see if I can install/upgrade-to it on one of my other Windows systems, but from what I've seen in the preview videos, I'm in no hurry.
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Re: Windows 11
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Oct 06 2021 05:25 pm
Microsoft's compatibilty checker says my 16-core AMD Bulldozer server-class processor circa 2015 is not good enough to run Windows 11. I'll see if I can install/upgrade-to it on one of my
other Windows systems, but from what I've seen in the preview videos, I'm in no hurry.
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yeah i'm suprised to see that my i7-7700 processor cant handle it.
that's nuts. whats so special about windows 11.
i'm not going to upgrade; this processor is more than enough for what i do. when i download new games it plays them fine.
yeah i'm suprised to see that my i7-7700 processor cant handle it.
that's nuts. whats so special about windows 11.
i'm not going to upgrade; this processor is more than enough for what i do. when i download new games it plays them fine.
You can say that again. Why are regular consumers going to throw perfectly working gear in the trash in order to run a new Windows version is beyond me.
When I was a kid and I used Windows, every time Microsoft released a new version, I feel on my knees tearing my clothes appart and screamin "No, not again! They are forcing an upgrade again!"
Now I use something else, every time my Linux distribution or BSD provider releases something new, I jump up and down yellin "Yay, more awesome stuff for free!"
yeah i'm suprised to see that my i7-7700 processor cant handle it.
You can say that again. Why are regular consumers going to throw perfectly working gear in the trash in order to run a new Windows version is beyond me.
When I was a kid and I used Windows, every time Microsoft released a new version, I feel on my knees tearing my clothes appart and screamin "No, not again! They are forcing an upgrade again!"
i think it's because i have something disabled on my motherboard. it would have been nice if it told me WHAT the problem was.
Re: Windows 11
By: MRO to Digital Man on Wed Oct 06 2021 09:46 pm
yeah i'm suprised to see that my i7-7700 processor cant handle it.
An i7-7700 could probably handle Windows 11 just fine. Microsoft has just chosen not to support that processor.
Nightfox
Nightfox wrote to All <=-
I've heard today (October 5, 2021) is the official release day of
Windows 11. I might see if a Windows 11 update appears in my Windows Update for my PC this evening (I've heard they're not rolling it out
all at once). If you're using Windows 11, I'm curious what you think
of it?
paulie420 wrote to Nightfox <=-
I don't use Windows, at all - however I just got a new laptop and think
I should have some Windows install...
This new laptop is a powerhouse and... is it smart/the norm to run
Windows 11 [or 10] in a VM? I don't really want/need to get OUT of
Linux - only have Windows when needed. [Running RipTEL or some light
steam games.]
And... does my Windows 10 key work for Windows 11? Hmmmmm....
I don't see anything wrong with running Windows in a VM. There are Mac
OS and Linux users who do that.
Did your new laptop come with Windows? If so, I'd imagine you could
make a backup of that and restore the backup in a VM and see if/how well it works. I've heard current users who bought Windows 10 (or had
Windows 10 come with a PC/laptop) should be able to update to Windows 11 for free. I don't know if a Windows 10 key will work for a fresh
Windows 11 install, but at least a Windows 10 install could be able to update to Windows 11.
This new laptop is a powerhouse and... is it smart/the norm to run Og> p> Win
11 [or 10] in a VM? I don't really want/need to get OUT of Linux - Og> p> onl
have Windows when needed. [Running RipTEL or some light steam Og> p> games.]
How did you configure your framework laptop?
What's the battery life like?
My computer is not likely going to handle Windows 11. Ryzen 7 1700, but I am thinking I
might just get a mac mini 16gb ram with 512gb storage and go from there.
My policy is not to upgrade my hardware just because some shinny software appeared over the horizon. Specially if I don't need the new software. Most often I can't justify the expense.
Re: Windows 11
By: Arelor to MATTHEW MUNSON on Wed Oct 20 2021 07:13 am
My policy is not to upgrade my hardware just because some shinny software appeared over the
horizon. Specially if I don't need the new software. Most often I can't justify the expense
I heard Windows 10 will still be supported until 2025. So there's still some time.
Nightfox
My computer is not likely going to handle Windows 11. Ryzen 7 1700, but I am might just get a mac mini 16gb ram with 512gb storage and go from there.
Re: Windows 11
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Sun Oct 17 2021 07:17 pm
My computer is not likely going to handle Windows 11. Ryzen 7 1700, but I am might just get a mac mini 16gb ram with 512gb storage and go from there.
No better time to ditch Windows than during a new version release. You'll never miss it unless you're a pc gamer
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Re: Windows 11
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on
Sun Oct 17 2021 07:17 pm
My computer is not likely going to handle Windows 11. Ryzen 7 1700, but I am thinking I
might just get a mac mini 16gb ram with 512gb storage and go from there.
My policy is not to upgrade my hardware just because some shinny
software appeared over the horizon. Specially if I don't need the new software. Most often I can't justify the expense.
I mean I am running on junk hardware from 2007 and I am more productive than a lot of people running the newest cool thing on the newest cool hardware.
No better time to ditch Windows than during a new version release.
You'll never miss it unless you're a pc gamer
well we have 25 years. pretty sure windows 11 wont be around by then. for
well we have 25 years. pretty sure windows 11 wont be around by then. for
25 years? What's happening in 2046?
No better time to ditch Windows than during a new version release.
You'll never miss it unless you're a pc gamer
well we have 25 years. pretty sure windows 11 wont be around by then. for whatever their reasons for blacklisting some processors, there's a chance they will create a work around.
i prefer windows 10 but i always have a linux console open.
The fucking start menu though. ooh boy. I hate it. I hate it more than I hated the fuckup that was Windows 8.
It's been running fine. I barely notice any difference, other than right-click menus being drastically simplified (grr). I was able to move
Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-
I couldn't care less. OpenBSD 7.0 got released recently and that is
what I am upgrading stuff too. Yay!
I've heard today (October 5, 2021) is the official release day of
Windows 11. I might see if a Windows 11 update appears in my Windows
Update for my PC this evening (I've heard they're not rolling it out
all at once). If you're using Windows 11, I'm curious what you think
of it?
yeah i'm suprised to see that my i7-7700 processor cant handle it.
An i7-7700 could probably handle Windows 11 just fine. Microsoft
has just chosen not to support that processor.
On 10/7/21 9:08 AM, Nightfox wrote:
yeah i'm suprised to see that my i7-7700 processor cant handle it.
An i7-7700 could probably handle Windows 11 just fine. Microsoft
has just chosen not to support that processor.
They're drawing a line in the sand at TPM2 and Secure Boot.
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An i7-7700 could probably handle Windows 11 just fine. Microsoft
has just chosen not to support that processor.
They're drawing a line in the sand at TPM2 and Secure Boot.
It's been running fine. I barely notice any difference, other than
right-click menus being drastically simplified (grr). I was able to
move
One of the items on this page explains how to get the full context menus back in Windows 11: https://cnet.co/3DVyuv0
Full URL: https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/youve-just-installed-windo ws-11 -heres-how-to-make-it-more-like-windows-10/
matches your desktop.
I went back to the Win10 layout because I oddly miss my tiles in my start menu. But now I need to try and rearrange them all in groups like I had them.
For the record, Stardock's licensing is trash. and I'm only using this because i foolishly gave them money a long time ago. I'll use it until I can't, then I'll figure something else out.
Apparently I had an old, but still valid Stardock license. Start11 (which is still in beta) replaces the start menu with a Win10, Win7, or even a "Modern" style which is more like WinXP's layout but with a look that matches your desktop.
For the record, Stardock's licensing is trash. and I'm only using this because i foolishly gave them money a long time ago. I'll use it until I can't, then I'll figure something else out.
I'd love to switch over to pure Linux, but I have too many programs and games that rely on Windows. Hell my Windows 11 install has multiple Linux distros installed via W4L already that I use, and I have a half dozen other machines in myself that run Linux or *BSD.
No better time to ditch Windows than during a new version release.My main gaming is on the PS5 and Switch. I play some retro games on the
You'll
never miss it unless you're a pc gamer
They're drawing a line in the sand at TPM2 and Secure Boot.Even if I am TPM2 and reinstalled in secure boot, they will not let me
I'd love to switch over to pure Linux, but I have too many programs and games that rely on Windows. Hell my Windows 11 install has multiple Linux distros installed via W4L already that I use, and I have a half dozen other machines in
paulie420 wrote to DaiTengu <=-
It might be a good OS for you to give a try... it costs $39, but like I stated above you can try Core out for free - I think that Core still
has WINE installed... just no support from the Zorin folks.
I somehow found myself looking up 1TB SSDs on Amazon. Just to make sure the card works... :)
For the record, Stardock's licensing is trash. and I'm only using this
because i foolishly gave them money a long time ago. I'll use it
until I can't, then I'll figure something else out.
does classic start work out fine for you? it's on nnite.
what i remember about windowblinds is it takes up a lot of resources and craps out a lot. ---
I'd love to switch over to pure Linux, but I have too many programs
and games that rely on Windows. Hell my Windows 11 install has
multiple Linux distros installed via W4L already that I use, and I
have a half dozen other machines in myself that run Linux or *BSD.
What do you mean by "pure Linux"?
I'm currently giving ZorinOS Pro an install. It, unlike ZorinOS Core, has Win/MacOS and other themes included and also has WINE *setup* for a user that might not grasp how to do that in a usable way. WINE allows you to run some, if not most, Windows applications under Linux.
It might be a good OS for you to give a try... it costs $39, but like I stated above you can try Core out for free - I think that Core still has WINE installed... just no support from the Zorin folks.
I'd love to switch over to pure Linux, but I have too many programs
What do you mean by "pure Linux"?
I have 6 computers here at home. 2 run Windows, 5 run various flavors of Linux, and one runs FreeBSD (pfSense), but I don't really count that as a PC I use, since it's really just functions as a router.
If I moved my two Windows PCs to Linux, I'd consider that "pure linux". Really it's just a phrase I picked up from talking to various other Sysadmin/DevOps/SREs, who say they work in a "pure linux shop"
Also, newer video games never run well under WINE, if at all. I just picked up the new Guardians of the Galaxy game, as of right now reports are it won't run at all under WINE (or any of the forks designed for PC Gaming).
The other reason I stick with Windows is because it's mindless. I can install and run whatever without having to tinker and fiddle with
things, or edit 30 different config files, or find the right library for compatability.
I tried to find "Classic Start" as a standalone (Not part of NiNite), and can only come up with "Classic Shell". the Classic Shell website appears to be unresponsive for me right now.
DaiTengu
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Re: Re: Windows 11
By: paulie420 to DaiTengu on
Mon Oct 25 2021 03:46 pm
I'm currently giving ZorinOS Pro an install. It, unlike ZorinOS Core, has Win/MacOS and other themes included and also has WINE *setup* for a user that might not grasp how to do that in a usable way. WINE allows you to run some, if not most, Windows applications under Linux.
It might be a good OS for you to give a try... it costs $39, but like I stated above you can try Core out for free - I think that Core still has WINE installed... just no support from the Zorin folks.
I'm pretty familiar with WINE. The ham radio applications I use on Windows don't have an equivelant counterpart under Linux, and are too complex for WINE to deal with, with serial connections audio cabling
and whatnot.
Also, newer video games never run well under WINE, if at all. I just picked up the new Guardians of the Galaxy game, as of right now reports are it won't run at all under WINE (or any of the forks designed for PC Gaming).
The other reason I stick with Windows is because it's mindless. I can install and run whatever without having to tinker and fiddle with
things, or edit 30 different config files, or find the right library
for compatability.
I spent all day dealing with Linux at work. when I'm done with work, I don't want to spend my free time dealing with it, too.
Moondog wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON <=-My old laptop can not handle new releases of Windows 10 :( So I installed ibuntu on it, now it loads faster. 2nd gen i5 laptop with 8gb ram. Maybe I
No better time to ditch Windows than during a new version release.
You'll never miss it unless you're a pc gamer
Moondog wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON <=-
No better time to ditch Windows than during a new version release. You'll never miss it unless you're a pc gamerMy old laptop can not handle new releases of Windows 10 :( So I installed ibuntu on it, now it loads faster. 2nd gen i5 laptop with 8gb ram. Maybe I could find a 7200 rpm laptop hard drive, but the laptop is almost 10 years l
Desktop computers that can game are becoming too pricey. I cant justify burning 1500 bucks on one now.
... Don't compromise your freedoms for protection.
Utopian Galt wrote to Moondog <=-
Desktop computers that can game are becoming too pricey. I cant justify burning 1500 bucks on one now.
Utopian Galt wrote to Moondog <=-
Desktop computers that can game are becoming too pricey. I cant justify burning 1500 bucks on one now.
I bought a used Dell Inspiron 3847 with an i7 and 16 GB of RAM for $175. Added a $100 Nvidia card, think it's a GT1030, and I can get 60 FPS out of War Thunder at medium res. 40 at high. 50 when I custom tune it based on the Nvidia optimizing app.
... Simple subtraction
I probably should not be asking this, but did you buy it from a shady guy in
a dark alley in Detroit or something? Because dealers of used IT have computers like that in store but they don't sell them for 175 bucks precisely.
They're drawing a line in the sand at TPM2 and Secure Boot.
Even if I am TPM2 and reinstalled in secure boot, they will
not let me run Win 11 on my Ryzen.
just use this https://ninite.com/classicstart/
just use this https://ninite.com/classicstart/
I would suggest getting chocolatey set up and doing:
choco install classic-shell
The advantage is that choco is actually something close to a package manager. It'll track dependencies, and handle upgrades.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I probably shoul-d not be asking this, but did you buy it from a shady
guy in a dark alley in Detroit or something? Because dealers of used IT have computers like that in store but they don't sell them for 175
bucks precisely.
operation run for seniors. They do building material recycling,I think that is a good idea, help to make older technology usable. Make a
e-waste,
operation run for seniors. They do building material recycling,I think that is a good idea, help to make older technology usable. Make a
e-waste,
10 year old laptop serviable for another 5 years, or use parts from older desktops to make a semi updated computer.
using old stuff just doesnt pan out.
Re: Re: Windows 11
By: Utopian Galt to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Nov 12 2021 09:06 pm
operation run for seniors. They do building material recycling, e-waste,I think that is a good idea, help to make older technology usable. Make a 10 year old laptop serviable for another 5 years, or use parts from older desktops to make a semi updated computer.
as an electronics tech who worked in RMA departments, i'd have to say puttin
that computer will just blow out something and then it will have to be servi
using old stuff just doesnt pan out.
using old stuff just doesnt pan out.
My own experience is that reusing is fine, if and only if:
- Decent case (positive air flow, filters, not an oven).
- Good PSU (By the popular "psu tier list", tier 2 at worst).
I have found these two points make the difference between "hardware breaks, eventually" and "hardware doesn't break, ever".
My family (extended) is all using old parts, and so far (~10 year) no issues.
My policy is not to upgrade my hardware just because some shinny software appeared over the horizon. Specially if I don't need the new software. Most often I can't justify the expense.
I mean I am running on junk hardware from 2007 and I am more productive than a
lot of people running the newest cool thing on the newest cool hardware.
On 10/20/2021 7:13 AM, ARELOR wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON:
My policy is not to upgrade my hardware just because some shinny software appear
over the horizon. Specially if I don't need the new software. Most often I can't
justify the expense.
I mean I am running on junk hardware from 2007 and I am more productive than a
lot of people running the newest cool thing on the newest cool hardware.
I am thinking just getting a 1tb SSD stick for my desktop and just enjoy my ryzen b
for
another 3-4 years. PC Gaming is becoming way too expensive.
I'm pretty familiar with WINE. The ham radio applications I use on Windows don't have an equivelant counterpart under Linux, and are too complex for WINE to deal with, with serial connections audio cabling and whatnot.
You could do worse than that.
You can play a lot of cool old games with junkyard computers. Experience the full
power of DOS games! Hell you can even play the original Diablo using FOSS engines on
pretty low end hardware.
pretty low end hardware.
Yeah, I think I am getting burned out of gaming. There is a huge backlog of unplayed
games I have. Its a first world collectors burden.
I'm pretty familiar with WINE. The ham radio applications I use on
Windows don't have an equivelant counterpart under Linux, and are too
complex for WINE to deal with, with serial connections audio cabling
and whatnot.
What ham apps are you running in Windows?
Yeah, I think I am getting burned out of gaming. There is a huge backlog of unplayed games I have. Its a first world collectors burden.
must be nice. i work so much i don't have time for playing games.
do you have a full time job?
must be nice. i work so much i don't have time for playing games.
do you have a full time job?
Yes, I have been employed except for some down time between jobs.
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