All links I have found for NetRunner point to the 2.0 Beta 18 executable on the Mystic BBS Web site, but is the source available anywhere?
Papa wrote to All <=-
All links I have found for NetRunner point to the 2.0 Beta 18
executable on the Mystic BBS Web site, but is the source
available anywhere?
Underminer wrote to Papa <=-
Re: NetRunner source
By: Papa to All on Mon Aug 17 2020 07:56 pm
All links I have found for NetRunner point to the 2.0 Beta 18 executable on the Mystic BBS Web site, but is the source available anywhere?
Due to some recent bad experiences with code theft, James has
stopped making the source for Mystic/NetRunner available, but the
binaries are simple and work. ---
All links I have found for NetRunner point to the 2.0 Beta 18 executable on the Mystic BBS Web site, but is the source available anywhere?
Not sure how "recent" that may have been, but both have been closed-source for as long as I can remember...
Re: NetRunner source
By: Papa to All on Mon Aug 17 2020 07:56 pm
All links I have found for NetRunner point to the 2.0 Beta 18
executable on the Mystic BBS Web site, but is the source available
anywhere?
Due to some recent bad experiences with code theft, James has stopped making the source for Mystic/NetRunner available, but the binaries are
Due to some recent bad experiences with code theft, James has stopped making th
source for Mystic/NetRunner available, but the binaries are simple and work.
So it was open source but not really?
is that the story now :D
Re: NetRunner source
By: MRO to Underminer on Tue Aug 18 2020 05:06 pm
is that the story now :D
That's the published story. I don't know the truth of what was in his head and wasn't even a user so all I have to go on is the stated reasons. *shrugs*
where is it published?
the real reason is g00r00 doesnt like having his stuff open sourced and doesnt see the benefit of
it, even with the obvious example of synchronet's success right under his nose.
Re: NetRunner source
By: MRO to Underminer on Tue Aug 18 2020 22:56:45
where is it published?
https://bbs.electronicchicken.com/?page=001-forum.ssjs&sub=fsxnet_fsx_mys& threa d=5345#5375
Or in case that link's too long:
https://tinyurl.com/y3r5xpyj
the real reason is g00r00 doesnt like having his stuff open sourced
and doesnt see the benefit of it, even with the obvious example of
synchronet's success right under his nose.
He acknowledged Synchronet's success, but said that no such thing happened for Mystic. I dunno, I have a hard time imagining him being collaborative enough for that to work out. Likely butted heads with contributors and got touchy about criticism.
Re: NetRunner source
By: echicken to MRO on Wed Aug 19 2020 01:37 am
Re: NetRunner source
By: MRO to Underminer on Tue Aug 18 2020 22:56:45
Or in case that link's too long:
https://tinyurl.com/y3r5xpyj
He acknowledged Synchronet's success, but said that no such thing happened for Mystic. I dunno, I have a hard time imagining him being collaborative enough for that to work out. Likely butted heads with contributors and got touchy about criticism.
Due to some recent bad experiences with code theft, James has
stopped making the source for Mystic/NetRunner available, but the
binaries are simple and work. ---
Rampage wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: NetRunner source
By: Gamgee to Underminer on Tue Aug 18 2020 07:47:00
Due to some recent bad experiences with code theft, James has
stopped making the source for Mystic/NetRunner available, but the
binaries are simple and work. ---
Gamgee> Not sure how "recent" that may have been, but both have
Gamgee> been closed-source for as long as I can remember...
i had a copy of the repo for the v1.11 series when it was open
source... he killed the repo for several reasons... 1) bug
reports on things he had already fixed but hadn't pushed to the
repo for others to pull... 2) code submissions he didn't like for
some reason... 3) general trolling on code stuffs... nothing at
all was said about "code theft" at the time... it was more stress
than anything else that lead to the repo being killed... it just
fit his workflow better to not be open source like that... RL
stress as well as the bug reports just stacked up and he wasn't a
happy grasshopper... i recognized certain code libraries being
used (MKSMG) with no attribution at that time... not that it was
any big deal... but nothing about code theft that i recall...
what it all boils down to is from day one he did not want to be open sourced and he wanted to find a
reason to yank it.
i'm not sure if someone really stuck their name on mystic bbs.
we talked about this at length on zeronet and he got really pissed. he really does not like open
source, he does not like collaboration. that's his right, though. the truth is he put mystic source
I don't know what the whole fsxNet thing was about, and if it was a case of butting heads with
Paul(Avon)....geesh, my interactions with Paul have always left me thinking very favourably about
him and his ease of interaction.
That said though, you and I both know that devs can be a little less socially dexterous than might
be ideal; that tends to get elevated if you're working with something you consider your life's work.
I don't think it was anything that Paul did; at most, it was what he didn't do
Some other people were being critical and argumentative and, I dunno, nobody t
d them to stop? Not sure.
* SLMR 2.1a * Four snack groups: frozen, crunchies, cakes and sweets.
I believe they were pointing out issues with the software, specifically the
ftn bits that were causing issues. He also did not like that FSXnet was a
ftn bits that were causing issues. He also did not like that FSXnet was a network with more than one hub... I got the impression that the ftn issues
The othernet he moved to only has one central hub.
Dumas Walker wrote to ECHICKEN <=-do
I don't think it was anything that Paul did; at most, it was what he didn't
Some other people were being critical and argumentative and, I dunno, nobodyt
d them to stop? Not sure.
I believe they were pointing out issues with the software,
specifically the ftn bits that were causing issues. He also did
not like that FSXnet was a network with more than one hub... I
got the impression that the ftn issues caused problems when there
were multiple hubs on a network (like FSX or fido have), so maybe
that was why.
I've had kind of the opposite curve, being quite embarrassed of my shitty code early on and defensive because I'd worked hard on it. Took me some time to learn to deal with criticism and disagreements on how things should be done, etc. If you can get past all of that, there's a lot of room for growth and improvement.
I've had kind of the opposite curve, being quite embarrassed of my shitty code early on and defensive because I'd worked hard on it. Took me some time to learn to deal with criticism and disagreements on how things should be done, etc. If you can get past all of that, there's a lot of room for growth and improvement.
* SLMR 2.1a * Four snack groups: frozen, crunchies, cakes and sweets.
Do you file salties under crunchies?
I believe they were pointing out issues with the software, specifically the
ftn bits that were causing issues. He also did not like that FSXnet was a
Yes, and to be fair, some were being absolute dicks about it. One guy in partic
lar was having a massive overreaction to the problem. So things just heated up >n both sides.
ftn bits that were causing issues. He also did not like that FSXnet was a >DW> network with more than one hub... I got the impression that the ftn issues
That would be a pretty wacky thing to dislike about an FTN, but okay. :)
That's how I remember the issue, too. I think the FTN issues were
because there were so many different versions (of Mystic) in use,
with so many different bugs, that there were communication and
dupe issues between the hubs. Also something about messages being
truncated after 256 characters as I recall.
The bottom line was that the software wasn't performing well, and
he got tired of hearing the complaints, I guess.
but i had to learn how to use baja and some synchronet javascript[once there were examples for me to learn from], and i did have someone take my stuff and then put their name on it. and i admit it did piss me off a bit. but it was timewarrior and everything he did pissed me off.
Re: NetRunner source
By: MRO to echicken on Wed Aug 19 2020 10:18 pm
but i had to learn how to use baja and some synchronet javascript[once
there were examples for me to learn from], and i did have someone take
my stuff and then put their name on it. and i admit it did piss me
off a bit. but it was timewarrior and everything he did pissed me
off.
Ha! I hear ya...
Re: NetRunner source
By: Digital Man to MRO on Fri Aug 21 2020 12:38 am
Re: NetRunner source
By: MRO to echicken on Wed Aug 19 2020 10:18 pm
but i had to learn how to use baja and some synchronet
javascript[once there were examples for me to learn from], and i did
have someone take my stuff and then put their name on it. and i
admit it did piss me off a bit. but it was timewarrior and
everything he did pissed me off.
Ha! I hear ya...
i'm glad tw moved on from bbsing. he hasnt had a job his entire life and he has way too much time and crazy energy. not sure what he will do when his dad dies and there's nobody to support him.
agh i just watched a minute of one of his youtube videos and it gave me a headache ---
Re: NetRunner source
By: MRO to all on Sat Aug 22 2020 01:56 am
agh i just watched a minute of one of his youtube videos and it gave
me a headache ---
Who is he on YouTube?
Ha! I hear ya...
i'm glad tw moved on from bbsing. he hasnt had a job his entire life and he has way too much time and crazy energy. not sure what he will do when his dad dies and there's nobody to support him.
paradigm shift and educational comedy v2.0
Re: NetRunner source
By: MRO to Digital Man on Sat Aug 22 2020 01:50 am
Ha! I hear ya...
i'm glad tw moved on from bbsing. he hasnt had a job his entire life
and he has way too much time and crazy energy. not sure what he will
do when his dad dies and there's nobody to support him.
This hobby seems to attract *all* kinds, but yeah, I don't miss his SynchroWebSuportNet.org or whatever it was. There was an online video of an XpressitNet "meetup" at one time. Check that out if you can find it. :-)
Re: NetRunner source
By: MRO to Underminer on Sat Aug 22 2020 10:31 am
paradigm shift and educational comedy v2.0
Whelp, I couldn't get through a video to get a sense of anything.
Re: NetRunner source
By: Digital Man to MRO on Sat Aug 22 2020 02:59 pm
Re: NetRunner source
By: MRO to Digital Man on Sat Aug 22 2020 01:50 am
Ha! I hear ya...
i'm glad tw moved on from bbsing. he hasnt had a job his entire life
and he has way too much time and crazy energy. not sure what he will
do when his dad dies and there's nobody to support him.
This hobby seems to attract *all* kinds, but yeah, I don't miss his SynchroWebSuportNet.org or whatever it was. There was an online video of an XpressitNet "meetup" at one time. Check that out if you can find it. :-)
yeah it was a huge dork fest.
yeah it was a huge dork fest.
Well "huge" might be an overstatement. :-)
digital man
yeah it was a huge dork fest.
right now he has videos that will probably drive a person insane. there's peopl
talking and weird loud music playing at the same time that osciliates.
yeah it was a huge dork fest.peopl
right now he has videos that will probably drive a person insane.
there's
talking and weird loud music playing at the same time that osciliates.
That sounds a little like CHEEZ BURGER's videos.
yeah it was a huge dork fest.peopl
right now he has videos that will probably drive a person insane.
there's
talking and weird loud music playing at the same time that osciliates.
That sounds a little like CHEEZ BURGER's videos.
no it's horrible. and instead of some pretending to be stupid, it's someone on a whole 'nother level of everything.
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no it's horrible. and instead of some pretending to be stupid, it's someone on a whole 'nother level of everything.
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wheres the link, or what do i search so i can watch for context? i missed the first part of this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO4nxiWNw3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzEyJtMplfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO4nxiWNw3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzEyJtMplfM
Re: Re: NetRunner source
By: paulie420 to MRO on Sun Aug 23 2020 06:49 pm
no it's horrible. and instead of some pretending to be stupid,
it's someone on a whole 'nother level of everything.
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wheres the link, or what do i search so i can watch for context? i
missed the first part of this thread.
Well, there's this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO4nxiWNw3s
and there's this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzEyJtMplfM
oh that aint shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8El9KeeN1Ns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO4nxiWNw3s
and there's this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzEyJtMplfM
oh that aint shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8El9KeeN1Ns
i dare anybody to watch this until the end
Well, there's this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO4nxiWNw3s
and there's this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzEyJtMplfM
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