I worked in tech for years, and one of the things that drove me crazy
were people who worked late.
Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Although a few were "rock stars" in the sense that they were good at
what they did
seem to get a whole lot done during regular business hours. IMHO, they were not capable of keeping regular hours. They got just enough done
to keep their job, and those were the ones that complained the most.
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hoem before the eclipse. Just because I don't want to be on the road while the idiots smash into each other.
Although a few were "rock stars" in the sense that they were good at what they didfighters".
I work in traditional IT operations, we followed structured processes
around systems, including understanding the underlying OSes,
networking, backups, and basic systems administration.
Every once in a while we'd get a User who'd stand up a system that got
hoem before the eclipse. Just because I don't want to be on the road while the idiots smash into each other.
Not a bad plan. I learned from the last one that trying to travel on the day of a eclipse is not a good idea -- urban style traffic jams out in the middle of nowhere. ;)
i was literally working outside during the eclipse. we saw a lot of people walk out of businesses and stare into the sun. -+-
Quoting Dumas Walker to Tiny <=-
Not a bad plan. I learned from the last one that trying to travel on
the day of a eclipse is not a good idea -- urban style traffic jams out
in the middle of nowhere. ;)
Hello MRO!
i was literally working outside during the eclipse. we saw a lot of people walk out of businesses and stare into the sun. -+-
they weren't wearing the proper glasses? i guess their next
trip will be to the eye doctor.
Not a bad plan. I learned from the last one that trying to travel on the day of a eclipse is not a good idea -- urban style traffic jams out in the middle of nowhere. ;)
It ended up being cloudy here. Of course an hour after it the clouds all went away and it was a beautiful sunny evening. LOL
Ah, I've heard about that. It does seem like a bit of a game.. One more thing
to benefit the company and not the people who work for them.
Ah, I've heard about that. It does seem like a bit of a game.. One more
thing
to benefit the company and not the people who work for them.
It depends on what kind of employee you are and what your situation is. For someone like me, it wouldn't benefit me at all because I didn't take as much time off.
It depends on what kind of employee you are and what your situation is. For someone like me, it wouldn't benefit me at all because I didn't take as much time off.
I was thinking about the fact that the company wouldn't have as much debt on i
books. It sounds like with unlimited vacation, they wouldn't have to give a p
out for unused vacation when an employee is laid off or leaves for other reaso
. So if you don't take much time off, then it still affects you.
"Unlimited" PTO is a perceived benefit with little benefit to the
employee with a huge effect on company financials.
I would be absolutely surprised if nobody tries to take full advantage of that. Every Friday off? You bet!
I had a guy working for me who wanted to take off a day of PTO as soon
as it accrued. It worked out to him putting in a PTO request every first friday for months in a row.
Honestly, I think benefit to the employee depends. If I was working somewhere that had the compensation method in place and switched to unlimited, I'd be pretty upset. However, if I knew that going in, I might see it as a benefit because there'd be no limit on how much time I took (so long as it was approved).
Re: Unlimited PTO
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sat Apr 13 2024 09:49 am
Honestly, I think benefit to the employee depends. If I was working somewhere that had the compensation method in place and switched to unlimited, I'd be pretty upset. However, if I knew that going in, I might see it as a benefit because there'd be no limit on how much time I took (so long as it was approved).
There's a chance you might not be able to take much time off, because things are too busy and/or your manager doesn't approve it. In that situation, I'd still like to have a payout if possible.
Not a bad plan. I learned from the last one that trying to travel on the day of a eclipse is not a good idea -- urban style traffic jams out in the middle of nowhere. ;)
i was literally working outside during the eclipse. we saw a lot of people walk out of businesses and stare into the sun.
I wonder if education programs are at fault.
As in, college graduates barely know how to code the basics so companies have
train them nearly from the ground up. It certainly seems that way in lots of elds.
I wonder how many college kids nowadays have jobs that are at least field-adjacent. We're pushing our son to get an internship this summer
so he can get some on the job experience and some resume line items
besides "worked in a grocery store".
I worked in my field and finished up school part time, so I felt like I
had some chops before I left school.
As a result, I feel like we may have received a more rounded education than current kids do.i nfeel the same way
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By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Mon Apr 08 2024 04:25 pm
i was literally working outside during the eclipse. we saw a lot of people walk out of businesses and stare into the sun.
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The summer that I turned 15, I took a college class in PL/1. My motivation was actually to get my own account on their VAX 11/780 cluster, as Computing Services was getting finicky about me using my mother's VAX account. :)
Dumas Walker wrote to ARELOR <=-
I have a few friends who are teachers. They say that they are
"motivated" by their school admins/systems to teach children to be able
to pass the standardized tests that they take every year and not much else.
We took some standardized test when I was a kid but there was a
different emphasis on them back then. Like I think it was more a
measure of the student and their abilities, and less about whether or
not the school was "failing."
As a result, I feel like we may have received a more rounded education than current kids do.
Skylar wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
My high school offered a "class" that was actually an internship at a local business. No pay, but you were "out of school" for the last two classes of the day and received a credit towards graduation.
I got an
internship at Acxiom, at that time one of the largest IT companies in
my state. Unfortunately, I was a gopher for an Admin Assistant and did
not get any actual IT experience. But it was fun nonetheless.
The summer that I turned 15, I took a college class in PL/1.
My motivation was actually to get my own account on their VAX 11/780 cluster, as Computing Services was getting finicky about me using my mother's VAX account. :)
students how to turn on a VT220 terminal and log into the VAX. No, I'm
not kidding... :D
Five years later, with 5 years of professional C++ experience, I
decided to find a new position. But had no desire to go back to
college. Luckily, I didn't *need* to.
Not a bad plan. I learned from the last one that trying to travel on the day of a eclipse is not a good idea -- urban style traffic jams out in the middle of nowhere. ;)
Cleveland was actually easy in and out. The 2017 one I was stuck in horrendus affic!
Skylar wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
My high school offered a "class" that was actually an internship at a local business. No pay, but you were "out of school" for the last two classes of the day and received a credit towards graduation. I got an internship at Acxiom, at that time one of the largest IT companies in
my state. Unfortunately, I was a gopher for an Admin Assistant and did
not get any actual IT experience. But it was fun nonetheless.
I worked in my field and finished up school part time, so I felt like I
had some chops before I left school.
The summer that I turned 15, I took a college class in PL/1. My
motivation was actually to get my own account on their VAX 11/780
cluster, as Computing Services was getting finicky about me using my mother's VAX account. :)
Anyway, I became one of the "lab rats", the nickname they had for
students who spent more time than "needed" hanging out in the computer labs. After I graduated high school, I got a job as a lab supervisor. Primary duties were pulling printouts off the line printer and showing students how to turn on a VT220 terminal and log into the VAX. No, I'm
not kidding... :D
One of my friends was a senior and when he graduated the following
year, he got a job as a programmer at a startup. He was the first and
only programmer and quickly figured out they could make better progress
if he had some help. He recommended me, a 19 year old geek who loved to write code. I went from making $5/hr twiddling my thumbs in the
computer lab to $6/hr writing code at home in my pajamas. I was in
heaven. I dropped out of college and started my first full-time job.
Five years later, with 5 years of professional C++ experience, I
decided to find a new position. But had no desire to go back to
college. Luckily, I didn't *need* to.
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I'm sure you learned a lot just being around a functional corporate environment - something kids don't learn when all they do is attend classes.
One guy went from bussing tables and working at a convenience store to making $60K in a bizdev role, I got to see him continue his career while I worked there.
My company a few years back participated in an internship program called YearUp. They took kids from commuity colleges and kids working
part-time jobs after high school. Not your usual well-to-do University
kids.
A college buddy and I took C++ the first semester it was offered. We each had already been using C++ for "real world" work. The kind you get paid for.
I swear, at least once per class, one of us would raise our hand and, when Mr Bell called on us, we'd tell him the code he put on the board would not work and explain why.
Neither of us would have made good instructors. But then, neither was Mr Bell. He was literally trying to learn from our textbook so he could teach the class. And doing a lousy job of it!
I'm sure you learned a lot just being around a functional corporate environment - something kids don't learn when all they do is attend
classes.
My company a few years back participated in an internship program called YearUp. They took kids from commuity colleges and kids working
part-time jobs after high school. Not your usual well-to-do University
kids.
YearUp taught them basic office etiquette, how to use MS Office apps,
and how to interact in teams and in 1:1 settings, and they'd split time between corporate internship and classwork.
I did 3 cohorts of 2 people each and it gave me great exposure to
working and managing 20-somethings. They were a great experience for me,
and each one of them left the program with a position either at our
company or outside.
One guy went from bussing tables and working at a convenience store to making $60K in a bizdev role, I got to see him continue his career while
I worked there.
Re: Re: HAPPY TRANSGENDER DAY
By: Skylar to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 17 2024 06:21 pm
A college buddy and I took C++ the first semester it was offered. We ea had already been using C++ for "real world" work. The kind you get paid for.
I swear, at least once per class, one of us would raise our hand and, w Mr Bell called on us, we'd tell him the code he put on the board would work and explain why.
Neither of us would have made good instructors. But then, neither was M Bell. He was literally trying to learn from our textbook so he could te the class. And doing a lousy job of it!
Wow..
Before I took any C++ classes in college, I was taking some classes from the college's CIS department and took a class in Visual Basic (I don't remember I chose that one at the time). And this was 2000, and they were teaching VB I remember one day when the teacher said something like, "One of the concept in programming is object-oriented programming, but I'm not familiar with tha so I'm going to skip that."
On a side note, I later learned C++, and I've rarely used Visual Basic, although I have run into a couple Visual Basic .Net projects in my career.
Nightfox
i want to learn C with classes (c++) but damn it they only teach python i learned C myself also yuck VB!
i want to learn C with classes (c++) but damn it they only teach python
i learned C myself also yuck VB!
I just took a college intro to C++ course earlier this year ("for fun"). It' still taught, for sure.oh good!
Re: Re: HAPPY TRANSGENDER DAY
By: Skylar to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 17 2024 06:21 pm
A college buddy and I took C++ the first semester it was offered. We each had already been using C++ for "real world" work. The kind you get paid for.
I swear, at least once per class, one of us would raise our hand and, when Mr Bell called on us, we'd tell him the code he put on the board would not work and explain why.
Neither of us would have made good instructors. But then, neither was Mr Bell. He was literally trying to learn from our textbook so he could teach the class. And doing a lousy job of it!
Wow..
Before I took any C++ classes in college, I was taking some classes from the college's CIS department and took a class in Visual Basic (I don't remember why I chose that one at the time). And this was 2000, and they were teaching VB6.. I remember one day when the teacher said something like, "One of the concepts in programming is object-oriented programming, but I'm not familiar with that, so I'm going to skip that."
On a side note, I later learned C++, and I've rarely used Visual Basic, although I have run into a couple Visual Basic .Net projects in my career.
Nightfox
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Skylar wrote to Weatherman <=-
Re: Re: Programming
By: Weatherman to Nightfox on Fri Apr 19 2024 08:27 am
The last programming language I took a course in was Fortran77.
You have my sincere condolences!
Although one of my all-time favorite BBS experiences was a BBS written
in Fortran.
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I think we could be the witnessing the next pickleball, all we need to do is sell cornware and find a couple of cormnhole champions to run in ads.
They could run the ads with "everyone loves a weiner" and show the champ with bratwurst.
I think there was a cornhole fad that came and went sometime in
the past decade. Kinda doubting there'll be another. There are
always more dumb games, though.
Not sure where you live, but it certainly isn't in the SouthEastern USA.
Indeed and, if they do, they've certainly never been tailgating at a college football game. ;)
I think there was a cornhole fad that came and went sometime in
the past decade. Kinda doubting there'll be another. There are
always more dumb games, though.
Not sure where you live, but it certainly isn't in the SouthEastern USA.
Indeed and, if they do, they've certainly never been tailgating at a college football game. ;)
Accession wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
It started out as a backyard past-time, because what else were we
supposed to do after our lawn darts got taken away. :(
I worked rotating 8 hour shifts.
My last year at work another facility started doing 3 12 hour shifts one week,
and 4 12 hour shifts the second week and told someone where I worked about how
often they had long weekends.
I didn't want to go to the 12 hour deal.
To Me, after 8 hours of work I wanted Overtime Pay.
Or camping, or backyard parties, or summer weekend festivals, or bars, etc. Cornhole (or simply "bags") has been around for probably a decade or more. Probably almost as long as disc golf.
It started out as a backyard past-time, because what else were we supposed to do after our lawn darts got taken away. :(
Lawn Darts - part of our unsafe childhoods. Drinking out of garden hoses, bikes without helmets (sometimes without shoes!), and metal playground slides on concrete...
Quoting Accession to Dumas Walker <=-
It started out as a backyard past-time, because what else were we
supposed to do after our lawn darts got taken away. :(
We have the new lawn darts now. It's bean bags instead of the metal
dart on the end. Just not as much fun without that fear of getting
a lawn dart through the top of the noggin.
I was never one to be outside without shoes, but growing up in the 80s and 90s
I think I may have been part of the last generation where parents were okay with their kids going outside to play in the neighborhood for hours and come back for dinner.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I was never one to be outside without shoes, but growing up in the 80s
and 90s, I think I may have been part of the last generation where
parents were okay with their kids going outside to play in the neighborhood for hours and come back for dinner.
Dumas Walker wrote to ED VANCE <=-
The last place I worked, you could choose to work 5x8, 4x10, or
4x9+1x4. I thought it would not be bad to have a half or full day off, but after 8 hours I was usually worn out mentally so I chose to stay on that schedule.
Being salaried made alternative schedules seem hollow. I'd end up working 5x10 and never feel like I could choose an alternative schedule.
Quoting Accession to Tiny <=-
I don't remember there ever being a fear of that back in those days. Players got out of the way when people were throwing, points were
scored, and fun was had. I'm guessing stupid people ruined it for the
rest of us - or better yet, sue happy people that wanted to earn their money the easy way.
Quoting Accession to Dumas Walker <=-
It started out as a backyard past-time, because what else were we supposed to do after our lawn darts got taken away. :(
We have the new lawn darts now. It's bean bags instead of the metal
dart on the end. Just not as much fun without that fear of getting
a lawn dart through the top of the noggin.
Shawn
On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:17:00 -0500, you wrote:
We have the new lawn darts now. It's bean bags instead of the metal dart on the end. Just not as much fun without that fear of getting
a lawn dart through the top of the noggin.
I don't remember there ever being a fear of that back in those days. Players got out of the way when people were throwing, points were scored, and fun was had. I'm guessing stupid people ruined it for the rest of us - or better yet, sue happy people that wanted to earn their money the easy way.
Regards,
Nick
I was never one to be outside without shoes, but growing up in the 80s and 90s
I think I may have been part of the last generation where parents were okay with their kids going outside to play in the neighborhood for hours and come back for dinner.
Those were certainly the days.
I am not one to go out without shoes, either. My bare feed had a tendency to find little bits of glass, and the occassional bee, so I quickly learned that some form of foot covering was a good idea. ;)
Quoting Mro to Tiny <=-
dart on the end. Just not as much fun without that fear of getting
a lawn dart through the top of the noggin.
man i stuck one of those into a garage once and got my ass beat.
man i stuck one of those into a garage once and got my ass beat.
probably kids that got hurt. my buddy is a genius electrical engineer
and more, but when he was a kid he was a fucking retard. like he stuck
his fingers into bike spokes when the bike was upside down and people
were cranking it. it chopped off 2 fingers.
he also almost died several times, drowning, stuck upside down in a
tree, etc. i saved him tons of times.
if this guy played with jarts as a kid he would have lost an eye.
probably kids that got hurt. my buddy is a genius electrical engineer and more, but when he was a kid he was a fucking retard. like he stuck his fingers into bike spokes when the bike was upside down and people were cranking it. it chopped off 2 fingers.
The last place I worked, you could choose to work 5x8, 4x10, or
4x9+1x4. I thought it would not be bad to have a half or full day off, but after 8 hours I was usually worn out mentally so I chose to stay on that schedule.
The half day off schedule sounds like a good compromise. Were you
an hourly employee?
Being salaried made alternative schedules seem hollow. I'd end up
working 5x10 and never feel like I could choose an alternative schedule.
I don't remember there ever being a fear of that back in those days. Players got out of the way when people were throwing, points were scored, and fun was had. I'm guessing stupid people ruined it for the rest of us - or better yet, sue happy people that wanted to earn their money the easy way.
Quoting Mro to Tiny <=-
dart on the end. Just not as much fun without that fear of getting
a lawn dart through the top of the noggin.
man i stuck one of those into a garage once and got my ass beat.
Laugh, I can see that. If you stuck one into my place we'd have
words for sure. :)
... Don`t force it, get a larger hammer.
probably kids that got hurt. my buddy is a genius electrical engineer and more, but when he was a kid he was a fucking retard. like he stuck his fingers into bike spokes when the bike was upside down and people were cranking it. it chopped off 2 fingers.
he also almost died several times, drowning, stuck upside down in a tree, etc. i saved him tons of times.
Probably a good thing he went to college then. I could only imagine what he would have done to himself out in the field.
Re: Cornhole
By: MRO to Accession on Sat May 11 2024 09:32 pm
probably kids that got hurt. my buddy is a genius electrical engineer and more, but when he was a kid he was a fucking retard. like he stuck his fingers into bike spokes when the bike was upside down and people were cranking it. it chopped off 2 fingers.
Yep, I think the final straw was there were a few kids being nutsacks throwing them way up in the air and seeing how far they would stick in the ground.
one kid deicded it would be a great idea to launch it over the house.
landed in his little sister's skull who was playing in the front yard.
Re: Cornhole
By: Tiny to MRO on Sun May 12 2024 05:49 am
Quoting Mro to Tiny <=-
dart on the end. Just not as much fun without that fear of getting
a lawn dart through the top of the noggin.
man i stuck one of those into a garage once and got my ass beat.
Laugh, I can see that. If you stuck one into my place we'd have
words for sure. :)
... Don`t force it, get a larger hammer.
well i didn't mean to throw it. it's just weighted to cause damage like that.
Quoting Mro to Tiny <=-
i mean i didnt mean to throw it through the garage. i meant to toss
it on the grass NEAR the garage
Quoting Dumas Walker to Poindexter Fortran <=-
OTOH, if we worked less than 40/week and had no leave time, you only
got paid for the hours you worked. So I would call that "hourly" but
they didn't. ;)
i go out barefoot all the time. neighbors smashed some beer bottles behind my garage and i stepped in it and pulled out a big chunk. i barely bled. my feet are so tough from the safety shoes and constant standing and walking for 30 years.
Quoting Mro to Tiny <=-
i mean i didnt mean to throw it through the garage. i meant to toss
it on the grass NEAR the garage
That's alright. ;) The new ones I don't think would even hurt if you
took one to the head. It's just bean bags now.
Shawn
Quoting Dumas Walker to Poindexter Fortran <=-
OTOH, if we worked less than 40/week and had no leave time, you only got paid for the hours you worked. So I would call that "hourly" but they didn't. ;)
I'm hourly; the new manager asked me the other day why I had so many hours on my time sheet. I said "That's because you scheduled meetings on Friday which is supposed to be my day off." He looked shocked and said "Why would you write down the hours!?"
Re: Kids Playing Outdoors
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Sat May 11 2024 09:34 pm
i go out barefoot all the time. neighbors smashed some beer bottles behind my garage and i stepped in it and pulled out a big chunk. i barely bled. my feet are so tough from the safety shoes and constant standing and walking for 30 years.
Cody Lundin style.
I'm hourly; the new manager asked me the other day why I
had so many hours on my time sheet. I said "That's because
you scheduled meetings on Friday which is supposed to be my
day off." He looked shocked and said "Why would you write
down the hours!?"
Quoting Mro to Tiny <=-
it's no fun if you're not throwing a big metal spike
Quoting Ogg to Tiny <=-
day off." He looked shocked and said "Why would you write
down the hours!?"
That's hilarious.
I'm hourly; the new manager asked me the other day why I had so many hours
on my time sheet. I said "That's because you scheduled meetings on Friday which is supposed to be my day off." He looked shocked and said "Why would you write down the hours!?"
Sigh. I need to know how to tell them I only work so I can live, I don't think about nor care one little bit about the company when walk out the
door.
Dumas Walker wrote to ACCESSION <=-as
I don't remember there ever being a fear of that back in those days. Players got out of the way when people were throwing, points were scored, and fun
had.
That would be my guess also, and I feel fairly confident in it. ;)
Tiny wrote to DUMAS WALKER <=-
I'm hourly; the new manager asked me the other day why I had so many
hours on my time sheet. I said "That's because you scheduled meetings
on Friday which is supposed to be my day off." He looked shocked and
said "Why would you write down the hours!?"
Tiny wrote to OGG <=-
They loooooooove to work at my place. The company culture is work
400 hours a week for little to no pay and like it.
Back in the 90s, when I was young, I worked at a small company that did all of the things that small companies do to maximize hours - make a culture that promoted "hero worship", bringing dinners in to people who worked late, and promoted a "family" mindset - plus, we were all working to make the world a better place. :)
Of course, the family metaphor fell apart when the company pivoted and laid off 1/3 of the company.
As my long-time co-sysop used to say "The company is not your friend."
Recently I watched a video on YouTube with someone talking about things companies sometimes say in an interview that might be red flags. One of the things was "we're like family here", or similar. He was saying what that means is they'd probably expect their employees to work long hours, maybe without extra pay, and the company would probably lay off employees when it comes down to it.
Quoting Dumas Walker to Tiny <=-
If they schedule anyhing mandatory outside of my working hours, I am charging them for it.
I do also but, even when I am working somewhere that I like, what I
said above holds true. ;)
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Tiny <=-
said "Why would you write down the hours!?"
I'm dying to hear what your response was...
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Tiny <=-
As my long-time co-sysop used to say "The company is not your friend."
I don't remember there ever being a fear of that back in those days. Playeras
got out of the way when people were throwing, points were scored, and fun
had.
That would be my guess also, and I feel fairly confident in it. ;)
Sigh. I remember common sense, too.
Been a loooong time since I liked a place I worked. LOL Even when I was self employeed (As I was for pretty much my entire working life) I hated
it. LOL
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Tiny <=-
As my long-time co-sysop used to say "The company is not your friend."
I said that to a co worker the other week. She came in "Hello Friends!", I said "We're not friends, we're co workers." she first got upset with me
but a few hours later (my desk is by the coffee machine so I get to talk
to everyone, super happy about that) she comes back and realized I wasn't being mean.
They also stopped asking me to go out with them after I explained to them
I don't drink anymore, and even if I did I spend 40+ hours with these people and have no desire to see them for one second if I'm not being paid.
Shawn
A couple of years back, someone tried to convince me that "common sense" is a non-existent thing. Now that I think back about it, for his generation, maybe he was right and it really does not exist.
there's work buddies and real friends. after leaving my job of 17+ years i talk to one dude on facebook SOMETIMES. i thought those people were my friends and i did things for them, loaned them money, drove them to get their vehicles at the shop... i even shoveled their snow in a blizzard. they werent my friends.
i'm not going to hang out with people outside of work ever again. that just seems weird to me now. fake ass people who build alliances in the workplace do that.
just seems weird to me now. fake ass people who build alliances in the workplace do that.
It sounds like you've had generally bad experiences with co-workers that
way
and haven't met anyone at work you really clicked with.
There are a few
people I've hung out with outside of work and still do (or would) every so often.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
And layoffs seem to be fairly common with tech companies. I've
personally been through several layoffs.. I feel like I just want to watch out for myself and what I need as far as employment and
compensation goes. Companies certainly seem to mainly care about themselves and won't be afraid to let people go when they deem it necessary.
Dumas Walker wrote to TINY <=-
If they schedule anyhing mandatory outside of my working hours, I am charging them for it.
Tiny wrote to DUMAS WALKER <=-
Been a loooong time since I liked a place I worked. LOL Even when I
was self employeed (As I was for pretty much my entire working life) I hated it. LOL
Tiny wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
I said that to a co worker the other week. She came in "Hello
Friends!", I said "We're not friends, we're co workers." she first got upset with me but a few hours later (my desk is by the coffee machine
so I get to talk to everyone, super happy about that) she comes back
and realized I wasn't being mean.
said "Why would you write down the hours!?"
I'm dying to hear what your response was...
I didn't really answer. We kind of looked at each other for a long few seconds and he walked away.
Quoting Mro to Tiny <=-
i'm not going to hang out with people outside of work ever again.
that just seems weird to me now. fake ass people who build alliances
in the workplace do that.
Quoting Ogg to Tiny <=-
I didn't really answer. We kind of looked at each other for a long few seconds and he walked away.
BUT, you were satisfactorily paid for those extra hours?
With cyclical product cycles, some bit of ebb and flow makes sense. One of my sysop friends in the '90s worked for Yahoo! in QA. He was an employee, not a contractor, and was laid off. Right after his severance ended, he was looking for a job and found one, at Yahoo! in his old department. Worked there again, was laid off with severance, and went back to work once more as a contractor.
The '90s were strange times in the valley.
I passed up an anniversary at my current employer, and Linkedin does this thing where it lets your network know. I was intrigued by the people that bothered to click on a button to respond with a message of congratulations.
The people who've asked me for references in the past didn't bother. Two people I'd interacted with outside of my department close to a decade ago sent a message. A personal friend sent a message as well.
It makes you wonder - you're in some people's minds as long as you're in plain sight.
Quoting Ogg to Tiny <=-
I didn't really answer. We kind of looked at each other for a long few seconds and he walked away.
BUT, you were satisfactorily paid for those extra hours?
I was yes. They've never /not/ paid me for time I've asked for. So at least I have that going for me.
Shawn
It is strange sometimes.. Right now I'm working as a contractor, but I started here because the manager said it would be a contract-to-hire position, and he did want to hire me eventually. Now, that manager is moving to another team in the company, and there's about 6 months left in my contract. The manager put in a recommendation for me, and I hope the next manager does decide to hire me..
decade ago sent a message. A personal friend sent a message as well.
It makes you wonder - you're in some people's minds as long as you're in plain sight.
Yeah, sometimes it feels like you're out of sight and out of mind to other people. Though for something like a work anniversary, some people might not know it's a work anniversary for you unless something like LinkedIn mentions it.
Not sure where you live, but it certainly isn't in the SouthEastern USA.
Indeed and, if they do, they've certainly never been tailgating at a college football game. ;)
phigan wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Re: Cornhole
By: Dumas Walker to GAMGEE on Wed May 08 2024 09:19 am
Not sure where you live, but it certainly isn't in the SouthEastern USA.
Indeed and, if they do, they've certainly never been tailgating at a college football game. ;)
SouthWestern.. and like I said, came and went. The bars still
have the holes and the bags, but nobody really plays with them
anymore. Don't expect it to be popular forever :)
And this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Cornhole_League
People will fight you over this sport down here. :-)
It's considered a sport? I always thought it was mainly considered a
game, in the same way that darts is a game (at least, I've never heard
of darts as a sport).
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Cornhole
By: Gamgee to phigan on Fri May 17 2024 05:51 pm
And this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Cornhole_League
People will fight you over this sport down here. :-)
It's considered a sport? I always thought it was mainly
considered a game, in the same way that darts is a game (at
least, I've never heard of darts as a sport).
It's considered a sport? I always thought it was mainly considered a
game, in the same way that darts is a game (at least, I've never heard of
darts as a sport).
I think it's safe to say if there's sanctioned competitions and championships and abbreviated corporations supporting them, it's a sport. Cornhole has them, darts has them, as does bowling, and even slapping now. :)
there's work buddies and real friends. after leaving my job of 17+ years i talk to one dude on facebook SOMETIMES. i thought those people were my friends and i did things for them, loaned them money, drove them to get their vehicles at the shop... i even shoveled their snow in a blizzard.
they werent my friends.
It sounds like you've had generally bad experiences with co-workers that way and haven't met anyone at work you really clicked with. There are a few people I've hung out with outside of work and still do (or would) every so often.
I can't talk about MRO, but my observation is most people who has a good relationship with their coworkers have a business only relationship that ends as soon as they punch the clock on their way out.
Lots of people I clicked with in socally constrained environments (work, college) didn't bother to keep in touch at all when either them or myself moved out of that environment. They would not even respond to messages.
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I can't talk about MRO, but my observation is most people who has a good relationship with their coworkers have a business only relationship that ends as soon as they punch the clock on their way out.
Lots of people I clicked with in socally constrained environments (work, college) didn't bother to keep in touch at all when either them or myself moved out of that environment. They would not even respond to messages.
Not sure where you live, but it certainly isn't in the SouthEastern USA.
Indeed and, if they do, they've certainly never been tailgating at a colleg
football game. ;)
SouthWestern.. and like I said, came and went. The bars still have the holes and the bags, but nobody really plays with them anymore.
Don't expect it to be popular forever :)
Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-
I can't talk about MRO, but my observation is most people who has a
good relationship with their coworkers have a business only
relationship that ends as soon as they punch the clock on their way
out.
But you miss out on one of those workplaces when you're in your 20s when everyone's dating someone in the office, and all of the drama that goes
along with it... Good times, when you don't know any better. :)
It sounds like you've had generally bad experiences with co-workers that way and haven't met anyone at work you really clicked with. There are a few people I've hung out with outside of work and still do (or would) every so often.
But you miss out on one of those workplaces when you're in your 20s when everyone's dating someone in the office, and all of the drama that goes along with it... Good times, when you don't know any better. :)
Re: Unlimited PTO
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed May 15 2024 12:51 pm
It sounds like you've had generally bad experiences with co-workers that way and haven't met anyone at work you really clicked with. There are a few people I've hung out with outside of work and still do (or would) every so often.
Yeah I have life long friends that I met through work. People I talk to at least on a weekly basis that I haven't worked with in years.
Re: Re: Unlimited PTO
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sat May 18 2024 06:10 pm
But you miss out on one of those workplaces when you're in your 20s when everyone's dating someone in the office, and all of the drama that goes along with it... Good times, when you don't know any better. :)
That sounds awfully awful.
One should leave the job at the office unless there is extra pay to justify taking it home.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
One should leave the job at the office unless there is extra pay to justify taking it home.
I hope people are getting wise to the startup grind. If you're all working for equity in the company, working enough hours that it limits your social and personal life isn't worth it.
I hope people are getting wise to the startup grind. If you're all
working for equity in the company, working enough hours that it limits
your social and personal life isn't worth it.
If you're making a paycheck and they're still focusing on the startup
grind, they're doing it to maximize your work hours.
But, hey, they do Uber Eats for employees who work after 7pm...
Social life is overhyped. If I could do more extra hours I would take them.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
To be honest, one should take advantage of the years in which one is
young and able-bodied to work hard and make money, so then he can relax
in his mid 40s when he goes fat and his joints rust :-)
The instructor was more difficult to get along with than the language.
Although one of my all-time favorite BBS experiences was a BBS written in Fortran.
Which BBS software was that?
Although one of my all-time favorite BBS experiences was a BBS written in Fortran.
Which BBS software was that?
UBBS, or University of Arkansas at Little Rock BBS.
http://www.bbsdocumentary.com/software/VAX/VMS/UBBS/www.decuslib.com/decus/vax
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