Hello, do any BBSes have Usenet access?
Hello, do any BBSes have Usenet access?
Hello, do any BBSes have Usenet access?
Hello, do any BBSes have Usenet access?
Re: Usenet
By: AW to All on Mon Jan 10 2022 03:19 am
Hello, do any BBSes have Usenet access?
Lots do. I've got about 55 or so assorted usenet groups here, and will happily add more if people want them (except for binary groups. I don't have the storage for that).
DaiTengu
i dunno, are any newsgroups even used for conversation anymore? they seem real
really overran with spam. seems like they are only good for binaries now.
i dunno, are any newsgroups even used for conversation anymore? they seem real
really overran with spam. seems like they are only good for binaries now.
There are a couple that are bridged into FIDO (or another ftn) that remind me of how they used to be... fairly active and mostly on topic.
i'll have to login with a newsreader and see whats active.
if you can tell me the names of the ones you know of that are gated, let me kn
Greetings, friends!
Does anyone remember Usenet? Or, given the audience, does anyone _not_ remember Usenet?
For those of you who do, were you active? When did you join? Is there anything you miss or hated?
Does anyone remember Usenet? Or, given the audience, does anyone _not_ remem
Margaerynne wrote to All <=-
For those of you who do, were you active?
When did you join?
Is there anything you miss or hated?
How does it compare to BBSes, then and now?
Today, most of the message networks (Usenet, FidoNet, etc.) are empty. On this BBS, I'm subscribed to maybe 30 message areas, but only about 5 actually get traffic.
For those of you who do, were you active? When did you join? Is therenything
ou miss or hated?
How does it compare to BBSes, then and now?
For those of you who do, were you active? When did you join? Is thenything
ou miss or hated?
How does it compare to BBSes, then and now?
and still do today. Usenet was where the terms moderated and un-moderated started. Then Fidonet had to have moderated and unmoderated messaging. What a joke. It was and still is a form of communism in my book. In the US of A we call it free speech. But we're always gonna have those big heads that enjoy "moderating" what people say. That's just my opinion.....I could be wrong ;-)
Usenet, Newsgroups NNTP whatever you want to call them always had too many groups. Even in the early 90's there wasI suppose that's one aspect of it that I didn't think about. When you can flip through forty years of history in half an hour, you tend to forget about the download speeds.
over 1200 of them. It would take an hour to DL them at 2400 baud.
I still prefered BBS messaging even back then and
still do today. Usenet was where the terms moderated and un-moderated started. Then Fidonet had to have moderated
and unmoderated messaging. What a joke. It was and still is a form of communism in my book. In the US of A we call
it free speech. But we're always gonna have those big heads that enjoy "moderating" what people say. That's just my
opinion.....I could be wrong ;-)
Hustler wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Usenet, Newsgroups NNTP whatever you want to call them always had too many groups. Even in the early 90's there was over 1200 of them. It
would take an hour to DL them at 2400 baud.
By: Dumas Walker to MARGAERYNNE on Fri Jan 20 202316:15:00
How does it compare to BBSes, then and now?
[...] Usenet was where the terms moderated and un-
moderated started. Then Fidonet had to have moderated and
unmoderated messaging. What a joke. It was and still is a
form of communism in my book. In the US of A we call it
free speech. But we're always gonna have those big heads
that enjoy "moderating" what people say. That's just my
opinion.....I could be wrong ;-)
o today. Usenet was where the terms moderated and un-moderated started. Then
I suppose that's one aspect of it that I didn't think about. When you can flip through forty years of history in half an hour, you tend to forget about the download speeds.
the web wasn't slow on dialup until they started adding all the bullshit toe
ages.
the web wasn't slow on dialup until they started adding all the bullshit te
ages.
Exactly.
* SLMR 2.1a * Profanity, the language of computer professionals
Does anyone remember Usenet? Or, given the audience, does anyone _not_ remember Usenet?Yes, I do.
For those of you who do, were you active? When did you join? Is there anything you miss or hated?
How does it compare to BBSes, then and now?It doesn't. usenet is just a collection of articles. Bulletin boards offer that but more.
I'm from an area of the country where The Internet wasn't really a thing outside of universities until the late 90s, and my parents were well out of college by the time computers came around, so I don't actually know anyone from Usenet in person. Hence, well, me posting here where the old guard meets.
I run a usenet server. I'm trying to find a way to offer the service to other sysops (myself included) without having to import every messages into Synchronet. I have a way, but it would require the talents of a third party to code a usenet client in javascript for Synchronet so it appears to be a non-starter. I'm really not that good at JS. I can get by, but not to the level of complexity it would take.
Nelgin wrote to Margaerynne <=-
I run a usenet server. I'm trying to find a way to offer the
service to other sysops (myself included) without having to
import every messages into Synchronet. I have a way, but it would
require the talents of a third party to code a usenet client in
javascript for Synchronet so it appears to be a non-starter. I'm
really not that good at JS. I can get by, but not to the level of complexity it would take.
As a former (90's and 00's) fairly heavy Usenet user, I don't think I would want to use a BBS to access Usenet articles. Just seems like an awkward/unnecessary "middle-man" way of doing it. Any serious Usenet
user will already have a preferred client (my app of choice is Pan), and those are much more efficient/adapted to Usenet ways than doing it through a BBS. Just doesn't seem that it would offer any advantages
over using an external client.
Nelgin wrote to Margaerynne <=-
Mostly in the mid 90's for 10 years or so. I miss it being a useful
source of information and hate the amount of spam there is now, thanks mainly to Google.
How does it compare to BBSes, then and now?
It doesn't. usenet is just a collection of articles. Bulletin boards
offer that but more.
There was a ba.* hierarchy for the San Francisco bay area, I don't know
if there were other local hierarchies as busy as it. There were
culture, housing, politics, radio, nightlife, dating and more newsgroups that got quite a following for a time. It felt like a "bridge" from
BBSes to the internet while still keeping the local flavor.
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: Usenet
By: Gamgee to Nelgin on Wed Jan 25 2023 07:51 am
As a former (90's and 00's) fairly heavy Usenet user, I don't think I would want to use a BBS to access Usenet articles. Just seems like an awkward/unnecessary "middle-man" way of doing it. Any serious Usenet
user will already have a preferred client (my app of choice is Pan), and those are much more efficient/adapted to Usenet ways than doing it
through a BBS. Just doesn't seem that it would offer any advantages
over using an external client.
Yeah, I've debated whether having newsgroups on a BBS these days
ia useful or not.
People can easily access a newsgroup server
directly with their preferred news reader/client.
Yeah, I've debated whether having newsgroups on a BBS these days ia useful or not. People can easily access a newsgroup server directly with their preferred news reader/client.
There was a ba.* hierarchy for the San Francisco bay area, I don't know
if there were other local hierarchies as busy as it. There were
culture, housing, politics, radio, nightlife, dating and more newsgroups that got quite a following for a time. It felt like a "bridge" from
BBSes to the internet while still keeping the local flavor.
Re: Usenet
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Jan 22 2023 09:39 am
the web wasn't slow on dialup until they started adding all the bullshit te
ages.
Exactly.
* SLMR 2.1a * Profanity, the language of computer professionals
Speaking of vintage computing, I found a search site called Frogfind that is geared towards older machines accessing the internet
As a former (90's and 00's) fairly heavy Usenet user, I don't think I
would want to use a BBS to access Usenet articles. Just seems like an awkward/unnecessary "middle-man" way of doing it. Any serious Usenet
user will already have a preferred client (my app of choice is Pan), and those are much more efficient/adapted to Usenet ways than doing it
through a BBS. Just doesn't seem that it would offer any advantages
over using an external client.
that doesn't work well with my pornhub.
Re: Usenet
By: MRO to Moondog on Wed Jan 25 2023 10:10 pm
that doesn't work well with my pornhub.
https://imgur.com/gallery/EbH2K
For those of you who do, were you active? When did you join? Is there anythi How does it compare to BBSes, then and now?
There was a ba.* hierarchy for the San Francisco bay area, I don't know
if there were other local hierarchies as busy as it. There were
culture, housing, politics, radio, nightlife, dating and more newsgroups that got quite a following for a time. It felt like a "bridge" from
BBSes to the internet while still keeping the local flavor.
Today, most of the message networks (Usenet, FidoNet, etc.) are empty. On this BBS, I'm subscribed to maybe 30 message areas, but only about 5 actually get traffic.
Re: Re: Usenet
By: Dr. What to Margaerynne on Fri Jan 20 2023 07:45 am
Today, most of the message networks (Usenet, FidoNet, etc.) are empty. On this BBS, I'm subscribed to maybe 30 message areas, but only about 5 actually get traffic.
If I can ask what five message networks get any traffic at all, I know
fsxnet does but seem not see any of the others.
It would be interesting to have more that has traffic.
Havok wrote to Dr. What <=-
If I can ask what five message networks get any traffic at all, I
know
fsxnet does but seem not see any of the others.
It would be interesting to have more that has traffic.
MRO wrote to Havok <=-
more traffic from who? it's all sysops.
so, you, yourself could create traffic if you wanted to.
There's this one. It's prefixed with "DN-", so I'm not sure what network that is.
see what networks.
There's this one. It's prefixed with "DN-", so I'm not sure what network that is.
It looks like 3 of them are fsxnet (General, Mystic and BBS support).
I think the other two are FidoNet (Memories and Politics).
MRO wrote to Havok <=-
more traffic from who? it's all sysops.
Seeing how the sysops went through the hassle of setting up a BBS and networked message bases, that would seem reasonable.
There's this one. It's prefixed with "DN-", so I'm not sure what network that is.
Re: Re: Usenet
By: Dr. What to Havok on Tue Jan 31 2023 07:29 am
There's this one. It's prefixed with "DN-", so I'm not sure what network that is.
It's Dove-Net.
Re: Re: Usenet
By: Dr. What to Havok on Tue Jan 31 2023 07:29 am
There's this one. It's prefixed with "DN-", so I'm not sure what network that is.
DOVE-Net. This is DOVE-Net General.
so, you, yourself could create traffic if you wanted to.
A new ChatGPT project!
Re: Re: Usenet
By: Dr. What to Havok on Tue Jan 31 2023 07:29 am
There's this one. It's prefixed with "DN-", so I'm not sure what
network that is.
It's Dove-Net.
are you sure? mine are prefixed with dove-
There's this one. It's prefixed with "DN-", so I'm not sure what network that is.
Today, most of the message networks (Usenet, FidoNet, etc.) are empty. On this BBS, I'm subscribed to maybe 30 message areas, but only about 5 actually get traffic.
If I can ask what five message networks get any traffic at all, I know
fsxnet does but seem not see any of the others.
There's this one. It's prefixed with "DN-", so I'm not sure what DW>> network that is.
It's Dove-Net.
are you sure? mine are prefixed with dove-
It was posted here on Dove-Net General. What other message network would
it
be? The BBS they're posting from could have their prefix configured differently than yours. "DN-" makes sense that it would be Dove-Net.
That's a good question. I download my messages on this BBS, so it's hard to see what networks.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
more traffic from who? it's all sysops.
Seeing how the sysops went through the hassle of setting up a BBS and networked message bases, that would seem reasonable.
yeah that stuff is a real hassle. takes minutes.
what we NEED is users, not sysops acting like users.
right now people are pretending that there isnt a slump, that
sysops calling other sysops is all they need. i even saw some say
bbsing is booming. bull-fucking-shit.
bbses are systems designed for users. without users, it's not
worth it.
I'm starting to build that profile:
https://clrghouz.bbs.dege.au/about
Between Dove-Net and FSXNET they are really the only networks with any traffic
of any kind.
Hard to figure out!
have fake users ask questions and argue.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
Seeing how the sysops went through the hassle of setting up a BBS and networked message bases, that would seem reasonable.
yeah that stuff is a real hassle. takes minutes.
what we NEED is users, not sysops acting like users.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
A new ChatGPT project!
yeah we can see who has the oldest archive of dovenet msgs, feed them
into a database and have fake users ask questions and argue. ---
and it's pretty much the same people except for a handful just want to
be on fxnet.
we're still a bunch of fishbowls. the krad guys have their own couple of msg nets too. can't teach an old dog new tricks.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
Seeing how the sysops went through the hassle of setting up a BBS and networked message bases, that would seem reasonable.
yeah that stuff is a real hassle. takes minutes.
But non-trivial to the people who don't have the knowledge.
I agree. But most of us are from the Glory Days of BBSs and were sysops or wanted to be sysops.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
A new ChatGPT project!
yeah we can see who has the oldest archive of dovenet msgs, feed them into a database and have fake users ask questions and argue. ---
It would probably create more intelligent discussions than some of the people in the FidoNet Politics group. :)
we're still a bunch of fishbowls. the krad guys have their own couple of msg nets too. can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Laughing speak for yourself, this old, old dog still wants to learn more!
Poor dm most likely rolls his eyes everytime he see's me asking something.
Just a not awake yet thought...
Quoting Deon to Havok <=-
If I can ask what five message networks get any traffic at all, I know
fsxnet does but seem not see any of the others.
I'm starting to build that profile:
https://clrghouz.bbs.dege.au/about
A new ChatGPT project!
yeah we can see who has the oldest archive of dovenet msgs, feed them into a database and have fake users ask questions and argue. ---
It would probably create more intelligent discussions than some of the
people in the FidoNet Politics group. :)
A new ChatGPT project!
yeah we can see who has the oldest archive of dovenet msgs, feed them into a database and have fake users ask questions and argue. ---
It would probably create more intelligent discussions than some of the people in the FidoNet Politics group. :)
Someone supposedly exposed that ChatGPT has political leanings of its own
by asking it to write a nice poem about Trump and about Biden.
For Biden, it composed a long, glowing poem of 12-16 lines.
Re: Re: Usenet
By: Dumas Walker to DR. WHAT on Thu Feb 02 2023 05:08 pm
A new ChatGPT project!
yeah we can see who has the oldest archive of dovenet msgs, feed them into a database and have fake
users
ask questions and argue. ---
It would probably create more intelligent discussions than some of the people in the FidoNet Politics group.
:)
Someone supposedly exposed that ChatGPT has political leanings of its own by asking it to write a nice poem about Trump and about Biden.
For Biden, it composed a long, glowing poem of 12-16 lines.
so instead of artificial intelligence it is artificial stupidity?
Someone supposedly exposed that ChatGPT has political leanings of its own by asking it to write a nice poem about Trump and about Biden.
For Biden, it composed a long, glowing poem of 12-16 lines.
so instead of artificial intelligence it is artificial stupidity?
so instead of artificial intelligence it is artificial stupidity?
If I am correct ChatGPT and GPT-3 in general were fed articles biased towards that and they also implented filters so the AI won't learn things that they dislike
so you think biden deserves a long glowing poem?
For Biden, it composed a long, glowing poem of 12-16 lines.
so instead of artificial intelligence it is artificial stupidity?
If I am correct ChatGPT and GPT-3 in general were fed articles biased towards at and they also implented filters so the AI won't learn things that they disl
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Re: Re: Usenet
By: MRO to BoomieMovie on Fri Feb 03 2023 17:01:00
so you think biden deserves a long glowing poem?
That sounds pretty funny. Might as well write homosexual erotica detailing the rape of Joe Biden for laughs
Greetings, friends!
Does anyone remember Usenet? Or, given the audience, does anyone _not_ remember Usenet?
For those of you who do, were you active? When did you join? Is there anything you miss or hated?
How does it compare to BBSes, then and now?
I was born right as it was hitting its peak, so it was well into decline before I would have been interested.
As such, there's a certain type of mythical shine to it, and it's both fascinating and charming to see the roots of
modern internet culture mixed with people's full name and address.
I'm from an area of the country where The Internet wasn't really a thing outside of universities until the late 90s, and my parents were well out of college by the time computers came around, so I don't actually know anyone from Usenet in person. Hence, well, me posting here where the old guard meets.
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þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
no i mean we never change how we do things. we are always separate in our little fishbowls. we never came together and that's probably part of the reason the internet took over so quickly and caused such harm to bbses.
people logged on so far that day. Even then I think in 92 I had two message
networks lots of doors and they were played a lot by people that on one of
the two 9200 to 14400 modems, the first one being 9200.
But I guess you live with what you had and what you got now.
MRO wrote to Havok <=-
people logged on so far that day. Even then I think in 92 I had two message
networks lots of doors and they were played a lot by people that on one of
the two 9200 to 14400 modems, the first one being 9200.
well those days are gone and you can't even compare the 2.
what we are doing is not the same thing. There's people saying
that now it's booming and things are great. that just goes to
show you how delusional people can be. recently i switched my bbs
to private. i'll open it back up when we have users again.
to private. i'll open it back up when we have users again.
Ummmm.... quick question.
How will you get users again when .... your BBS is private?
LOL, you can't make this kind of clown show up!
well those days are gone and you can't even compare the 2.
what we are doing is not the same thing. There's people saying that now it's booming and things are great. that just goes to show you how delusional people can be. recently i switched my bbs to private. i'll open it back up when we have users again.
you can surf all over and never throw a name in like you do with a bulletin
board. I have to laugh though being if the Internet ever went down and a
sysop has a modem or modem bank then things would look much different.
well a lot of phones are now voip. i'm with spectrum aka charter and it's all voip.
Sysop: | Tandy |
---|---|
Location: | New York, USA |
Users: | 15 |
Nodes: | 13 (0 / 13) |
Uptime: | 00:16:04 |
Calls: | 328 |
Messages: | 109,844 |