Forgive me a few bytes of self-promotion. This month, I am publishing a new book about dial-up BBSs and early online communities titled "The Modem World: A Prehistory of Social Media." Details here: https://modem.world
Kevin Driscoll wrote to All <=-
Hi DOVE-Netters!
Forgive me a few bytes of self-promotion. This month, I am
publishing a new book about dial-up BBSs and early online
communities titled "The Modem World: A Prehistory of Social
Media." Details here: https://modem.world
I also printed up a pile of stickers with modems and ASCII art
and I want to give them away to folks who are keeping the BBS
world running in 2022. If you'd like a few FREE stickers, send me
a mailing address via DOVE netmail or internet e-mail at ked5d@virginia.edu. I promise to keep it confidential.
From 300 baud to infinite!
Kevin
Forgive me a few bytes of self-promotion. This month, I am publishing a new book about dial-up BBSs and early online communities titled "The Modem World: A Prehistory of Social Media." Details here: https://modem.world
Forgive me a few bytes of self-promotion. This month, I am
publishing a new book about dial-up BBSs and early online
communities titled "The Modem World: A Prehistory of
Social Media." Details here: https://modem.world
Congratulations making it a Yale University Press publication.
But at $28USD ($37.99CDN) for the hardcover.. it's a bit rich
for me. ;)
How 'bout an excerpt or two?
Kevin Driscoll wrote to All <=-
Forgive me a few bytes of self-promotion. This month, I am publishing a new book about dial-up BBSs and early online communities titled "The
Modem World: A Prehistory of Social Media." Details here: https://modem.world
Hi DOVE-Netters!
Forgive me a few bytes of self-promotion. This month, I am publishing a new book about dial-up BBSs and early online communities titled "The Modem World A Prehistory of Social Media." Details here: https://modem.world
How 'bout an excerpt or two?
BTW.. Are you the same Kevin Driscoll who is the author and
illustrator of "Moony Moon Shines at Noon!" ?
Forgive me a few bytes of self-promotion. This month, I am publishing a new book about dial-up BBSs and early online communities titled "The Modem World: A Prehistory of Social Media." Details here: https://modem.world
I also printed up a pile of stickers with modems and ASCII art and I want to give them away to folks who are keeping the BBS world running in 2022. If you'd like a few FREE stickers, send me a mailing address via DOVE netmail or internet e-mail at ked5d@virginia.edu. I promise to keep it confidential.
Forgive me a few bytes of self-promotion. This month, I am publishing a new book about dial-up BBSs and early online communities titled "The Modem World: A Prehistory of Social Media." Details here: https://modem.world
How 'bout an excerpt or two?
Re: New BBS history book
By: Ogg to Kevin Driscoll on Tue May 10 2022 10:05 pm
How 'bout an excerpt or two?
you can see it on google
Well look what arrived in my mailbox today! Can't wait to dig into it :)
https://i.imgur.com/j4hPIv0.jpg
Ah! Thank you for posting. I love the fullscreen terminal in the background-- ALT+ENTER FOR LIFE!
knightwise wrote to Gamgee <=-
Hi Kevin,
I found out about your book on the BBS Subreddit and was
fascinated. It's a very well written and insightfull look into
the history of the BBS and the eve of the pre-internet era. I
still see the value and viability of decentralised systems to
exchange information, especially in todays world of mega
corportations running platforms that sometimes seem to outgrow or outshadow the internet itself
Congratulations on a well written book
Hi Kevin,
I found out about your book on the BBS Subreddit and was fascinated. It's a very well written and insightfull look into the history of the BBS and the eve of the pre-internet era. I still see the value and viability of decentralised systems to exchange information, especially in todays world of mega corportations running platforms that sometimes seem to outgrow or outshadow the internet itself
Congratulations on a well written book
I was wondering what, seeing how you looked back into history, your thoughts are on
s start to slug it out ? What are the chances we will to back to a decentralised se
Knightwise
Host of the knightwise.com podcast
www.knightwise.com
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I was wondering what, seeing how you looked back into history, your thoughts are on the future of the net ? How do you see the internet evolve over the next 10 years. Will the internet break up because of legislation (China/US/Eu) or will the big platforms start to slug it out ? What are the chances we will to back to a decentralised self-hosted net ? Curious to hear what your take is on this.
Internet is no longer a free resource for information. Yes, the "Tide Pod" crowd needs to start using their brains, but at the end of the day, this is the same as the idiots who read "The Anarchists Cookbook", built a small pipebomb, and blew their legs off in the 80s. It is what it is.
Ultimately, until we remove the hyper-religious right, the hyper-liberal left, and focus on simply being neutral, nothing will change for the better. Until then, I'll keep doing what I'm doing, complaining about this and that, and hope that one day our elected officials will get their heads out of their asses.
there's no way to fix it and be balanced. it will always shift back and fort
Re: Re: New BBS history book
By: MRO to Ford Prefect on Thu Jun 16 2022 04:12 pm
Who needs the Anarchist Cookbook when you have Mr. Wizard?
Re: Re: New BBS history book
By: MRO to Ford Prefect on Thu Jun 16 2022 04:12 pm
Who needs the Anarchist Cookbook when you have Mr. Wizard?
Hi DOVE-Netters!
Forgive me a few bytes of self-promotion. This month, I am publishing a new book about dial-up BBSs and early online communities titled "The Modem World A Prehistory of Social Media." Details here: https://modem.world
Djatropine wrote to MRO <=-
Who needs the Anarchist Cookbook when you have Mr. Wizard?
Nope. But I love that title! Sadly, I'm also not the real estate broker, ventriloquist, or blues musician. :)
Re: New BBS history book
By: Kevin Driscoll to Ogg on Thu May 12 2022 12:42 pm
Nope. But I love that title! Sadly, I'm also not the real estate broker, ventriloquist, or blues musician. :)
Bummer. Ventriloquist's rock! :-)
I also printed up a pile of stickers with modems and ASCII art and I want to give them away to folks who are keeping the BBS world running in 2022. If you'd like a few FREE stickers, send me a mailing address via DOVE netmail or internet e-mail at ked5d@virginia.edu. I promise to keep it confidential.
Ford Prefect wrote to knightwise <=-
be expected. Taking a step back and looking at the internet of the
80s, 90s, 2000s, and 2010s, you can readily see what's changed, what's important, and what isn't. What we used in the 80s, simple e-mail communication, file transfers, and the like, is now replaced with
streaming services, social media, and always available news and information.
informed global. With the likes of Comcast, CenturyLink, AT&T, and
others having the ability to block content from going over their lines,
Net neutrality must be enforced, not just at a country level, but throughout the entire planet. When you have countries like Russia,
China, and even the US, trying to police what can and cannot be placed
information. Yes, the "Tide Pod" crowd needs to start using their
brains, but at the end of the day, this is the same as the idiots who
read "The Anarchists Cookbook", built a small pipebomb, and blew their legs off in the 80s.
Ultimately, until we remove the hyper-religious right, the
hyper-liberal left, and focus on simply being neutral, nothing will
change for the better. Until then, I'll keep doing what I'm doing,
nowhere near the hyper-liberal left. I have three children who are firmly in GenZ, and am impressed with this generations ability to not be polarized, but
to use logic and compassion to look at the world.
Our future is in good hands, I think. Assuming we survive the 2020s.
information. Yes, the "Tide Pod" crowd needs to start using their brains, but at the end of the day, this is the same as the idiots who read "The Anarchists Cookbook", built a small pipebomb, and blew their legs off in the 80s.
Thank you for saying that! I think that you and I are solidly Generation X? I've seen too many of us GenX'ers and Baby Boomers talk about the "stupidity o
the millenials" and GenZ'ers without realizing that we did things that people in our generation were just as "stupid", just in different ways. It's a cycle:
what a generation does is awesome, then becomes nostalgic, then becomes a tool
to use to force a gulf with the next generations.
When I think about surveillance and censorship, I try to remember that the costs will be borne by people who are already disadvantaged in other ways. Those of us with resources and expertise will set up VPNs and adblockers and end-to-end encryption. But most people won't.
bex wrote to Ford Prefect <=-
This is *very* much like the early '90s when both AOL and Prodigy were able to make their own walled gardens. Users who were drawn to those services didn't care about what was outside of the garden, they were content to consume the content available within the walls.
Re: Re: New BBS history book
By: Kevin Driscoll to MRO on Fri Jun 17 2022 11:04 am
Kevin, I just wanted to thank you for writing such a great book. It was cer ory lane. The nostalgia reminds us all of how key decisions about the socia
When I think about surveillance and censorship, I try to remember that th costs will be borne by people who are already disadvantaged in other ways Those of us with resources and expertise will set up VPNs and adblockers end-to-end encryption. But most people won't.
Completely agree. Case in point: the Pi Hole. It's trivial to set up a glo rnet "consumers" have no clue how to do this, and they just blindly accept t
As I often say about the state of global political affairs, people are in de _____
-=: Kaelon :=-
bex wrote to Ford Prefect <=-
This is *very* much like the early '90s when both AOL and Prodigy were able to make their own walled gardens. Users who were drawn to those services didn't care about what was outside of the garden, they were content to consume the content available within the walls.
Google likes to play games with DNS, but when I first tried Pi-hole I notice at least 1/3 of the traffic coming through was trash. In an NPR article the reporter said half of what came across his phone was telemetry and services peeking in on everything he did. imagine people with limited data plans losing half of their plan to Google's spying?
Completely agree. Case in point: the Pi Hole. It's trivial to set up a
glo rnet "consumers" have no clue how to do this, and they just blindly
accept t
Google likes to play games with DNS, but when I first tried Pi-hole I notice at least 1/3 of the traffic coming through was trash. In an NPR article the reporter said half of what came across his phone was telemetry and services peeking in on everything he did. imagine people with limited data plans losing half of their plan to Google's spying?
MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
i dont know why you guys are calling BBSES walled gardens.
aol and compuserve were bbses, essentially.
i dont know why you guys are calling BBSES walled gardens.
Because, at that time, they were. Each BBS was its own little island with its own rules.
MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
i dont know why you guys are calling BBSES walled gardens.
Because, at that time, they were. Each BBS was its own little island with its own rules.
But we usually reserve the term "walled garden" for the pay services.
But Compu$erve was very pricy. Over time, BBSs offered similar content -
But Compu$erve was very pricy. Over time, BBSs offered similar content - usually for free. But as already stated, for some people Compu$erve access was a need and that information was (usually) available nowhere else. Hence "walled garden".
AOhelL was sort of the same, but their goal was to get as many people on as possible - as opposed to Compu$erve which was to get as much money out of you as possible.
Re: Re: New BBS history book
By: Ron Lauzon to MRO on Wed Jul 06 2022 08:36 am
i dont know why you guys are calling BBSES walled gardens.
Because, at that time, they were. Each BBS was its own little island with its own rules.
At what time? I don't remember anyone ever calling a BBS a walled garden. But I understand what you mean by that though.
MRO wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
But we usually reserve the term "walled garden" for the pay services.
who is we? i never heard of that.
aol , compuserve, etc were bbses.
there were also pay bbses.
But Compu$erve was very pricy. Over time, BBSs offered similar content -
no it wasnt. aol was more expensive. prodigy was way expensive.
i was on both services (gardens) and no, bbses didn't offer similar content.
nevertheless fully predictable). For example, Samsung TV's will not function if they don't get a "phone home"
successful response, given that newer Samsung TV's are designed to be bricked if they are ever "stolen." Apple
devices, on the other hand, don't care if they can't reach Apple.com services for telemetry management.
Kaelon wrote to Moondog <=-
Totally agree. From my own Pi-Hole, about 30-40% of all queries are advertising, telemetry, and other privacy-violating behaviors that now
I proactively block.
Nightfox wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Because, at that time, they were. Each BBS was its own little island
with its own rules.
At what time? I don't remember anyone ever calling a BBS a walled
garden. But I understand what you mean by that though.
I'd heard the term "Walled Garden" to refer to exclusive curated content on a paid service as a means to attract customers and keep them on your service. CompuServe used to host support forums and user groups that weren't available anywhere else.
I recall one sysop correcting my grammar *while I was typing* and and another who deleted accounts of people who mis-used elipses at the end of sentences. Yet another who deleted accounts of sysops trying to poach "her" users by posting ads for their systems.
She was a screwy one - her son ran the BBS and passed away, unfortunately, at an early age. Anything that broke the rules of the BBS was an affront to the memory of her son. Also did user verification by breaking into chat and asking when you were born. I'd put down a false, but approximate birth date and the way she'd responded you'd thought I'd tried to pass a bad check in her store.
But we usually reserve the term "walled garden" for the pay services.
who is we? i never heard of that.
"We" meaning the computer users of today. The term "walled garden" really
aol , compuserve, etc were bbses.
They were more than BBSs.
Sometimes those BBSs were set up by the company that owned the documentation so that their non-rich customers could also get that information without signing up for Compu$erve.
I'd heard the term "Walled Garden" to refer to exclusive curated content on a paid service as a means to attract customers and keep them on your service. CompuServe used to host support forums and user groups that weren't available anywhere else.
Completely agree. Case in point: the Pi Hole. It's trivial to set up
a global network-wide ad-blocker for less than $40 in parts, and
minimal technical know-how, and you never have to worry again about
invasive advertising, cookies, etc. But most Internet "consumers"
have no clue how to do this, and they just blindly accept the ISP-
provided default configurations (and invasive surveilance practices)
that eradicate their privacy.
Google likes to play games with DNS, but when I first tried Pi-hole I
notice at least 1/3 of the traffic coming through was trash. In an
NPR article the reporter said half of what came across his phone was telemetry and services peeking in on everything he did. imagine
people with limited data plans losing half of their plan to Google's
spying?
Totally agree. From my own Pi-Hole, about 30-40% of all queries are advertising, telemetry, and other privacy-violating behaviors that now
I proactively block. That said, this has unintended consequences
(that are nevertheless fully predictable).
MRO wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
okay mr historian. thank you for the lesson in something i've been
doing for 32 years.
I literally just installed a PiHole+Wireguard at a friend's house last weekend... the irony, is his wife works in digital marketting... so had to set her work computer to not use the pihole for DNS specifically.
To counter the argument that normals aren't able to do things like setting up Pi-Hole, I have to mention running an ad-blocker in your browser. I'm running uBlock Origin, and my son isn't. I didn't realize how much of a difference it made until I saw some of the same sites on my son's laptop without it.
Wireguard is partly for remote access to the home network... but more because that's the only way to really set mobile devices to not use the carrier's DNS.
What's funny, is most of the streaming services work without issue...
the one glaring exception and cancelled promptly was Paramount/CBS. I'd prefer to pay and let them know what's being watched so shows I like get support... but I'd just assume pirate if they can't produce a (small)
list of hostnames to whitelist.
MRO wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
okay mr historian. thank you for the lesson in something i've been doing for 32 years.
You're welcome for the lesson. I figured that since you are a newby (compared to me), you probably missed out on some things.
From having a Google Pixel phone to play with, I've learned
that for people who are are operating with limited data plans
(like myself), turn off" "background data" on the apps that you
use the most.
extensive optional blacklists to try and prevent Google from showcasing YouTube ads. I think that's overkill. My 100,000+ or so
blocked domains and IPs serve almost all of my use-cases
that I am willing to pay the $10/mo. to watch YouTube
without ads. _____
Hello Moondog!
** On Tuesday 05.07.22 - 10:37, Moondog wrote to Kaelon:
Completely agree. Case in point: the Pi Hole. It's trivial to set up a
glo rnet "consumers" have no clue how to do this, and they just blindly
accept t
Google likes to play games with DNS, but when I first tried Pi-hole I notice at least 1/3 of the traffic coming through was trash. In an NPR article the reporter said half of what came across his phone was telemet and services peeking in on everything he did. imagine people with limit data plans losing half of their plan to Google's spying?
From having a Google Pixel phone to play with, I've learned
that for people who are are operating with limited data plans
(like myself), turn off" "background data" on the apps that you
use the most.
Tracker1 wrote to Kaelon <=-
Wireguard is partly for remote access to the home network... but more because that's the only way to really set mobile devices to not use the carrier's DNS.
Hello Kaelon!
I don't particularly watch YT stuff on a daily or even weekly
basis, but whatever I do watch I can get it ad-free for $0/mo !
From having a Google Pixel phone to play with, I've learned
that for people who are are operating with limited data
plans (like myself), turn off" "background data" on the
apps that you use the most.
that's messed up that you have a limited data plan. this isnt the 90s.
All mobile data plans here (Canada) are limited to the extent
that we pay for a base quota. Anything after that is throttled.
Hello MRO!
** On Friday 08.07.22 - 23:46, MRO wrote to Ogg:
From having a Google Pixel phone to play with, I've learned
that for people who are are operating with limited data
plans (like myself), turn off" "background data" on the
apps that you use the most.
that's messed up that you have a limited data plan. this isnt the 90s.
All mobile data plans here (Canada) are limited to the extent
that we pay for a base quota. Anything after that is throttled.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
You're welcome for the lesson. I figured that since you are a newby (compared to me), you probably missed out on some things.
not really. you just have a lot of made up ideas.
especially your comments about some services being too expensive. i was
a kid back then and i was paying for them.
No. I have a lot of different ideas.
especially your comments about some services being too expensive. i
was
a kid back then and i was paying for them.
And I was an adult back then - and I was paying for those services. But
if
you were a kid, I doubt that you were paying for those services out of your own pocket.
On Sun Jul 10 13:33:00 2022, Kaelon wrote to Ogg <=-
Wireguard is partly for remote access to the home network... but more
because that's the only way to really set mobile devices to not use
the carrier's DNS.
Tell me more. What carrier specifically? If you're on the home
network, does the carrier perform DNS lookups locally, regardless of
home DNS lookup rules? I've never heard of this situation before -
but admittedly, I'm still only just an intermediate home networker.
;)
That's funny! I actually love what Pi-Hole does to legacy streaming
servers, like Roku's. It removes all of the visible advertising and actually makes them clean and pleasurable to navigate through the UI.
That said, there are some people in the Pi-Hole community that
maintain extensive optional blacklists to try and prevent Google from showcasing YouTube ads. I think that's overkill. My 100,000+ or so
blocked domains and IPs serve almost all of my use-cases that I am
willing to pay the $10/mo. to watch YouTube without ads.
I don't particularly watch YT stuff on a daily or even weeklyI do it mostly because the creators get a cut of that $10, and a larger
basis, but whatever I do watch I can get it ad-free for $0/mo !
On 7/8/22 16:58, Ogg wrote:
I don't particularly watch YT stuff on a daily or even weeklyI do it mostly because the creators get a cut of that $10, and a larger amount than if I watched the ads... I do watch a lot of YouTube.
basis, but whatever I do watch I can get it ad-free for $0/mo !
Mostly Breaking Points, Linus Tech Tips channels, Gamers Nexus,
Jayz2Cents, Craft Computing, but many others.
I don't particularly watch YT stuff on a daily or even
weekly basis, but whatever I do watch I can get it ad-free
for $0/mo !
What's your secret? ;) I've tried many of the blocklists
for Pi-Hole that claim they can ad-remove the YouTube
experience, but I find it hit-or-miss. _____
On 7/8/22 16:58, Ogg wrote:
I don't particularly watch YT stuff on a daily or even weekly
basis, but whatever I do watch I can get it ad-free for $0/mo !
I do it mostly because the creators get a cut of that $10,
and a larger amount than if I watched the ads... I do watch
a lot of YouTube.
Mostly Breaking Points, Linus Tech Tips channels, Gamers
Nexus, Jayz2Cents, Craft Computing, but many others.
Hello MRO!
** On Friday 08.07.22 - 23:46, MRO wrote to Ogg:
From having a Google Pixel phone to play with, I've learned
that for people who are are operating with limited data
plans (like myself), turn off" "background data" on the
apps that you use the most.
that's messed up that you have a limited data plan. this isnt the 90s.
All mobile data plans here (Canada) are limited to the extent
that we pay for a base quota. Anything after that is throttled.
I have a Tracfone (pre-paid plans) and there is no throttling. Once you're ou t, you need to buy more time. My brother uses a buttload of data and has an A TT "unlimited" time plan. It's actually 20-25gb of data, unlimited text and voice. He burns through the data right away becuase of facebook and youtube, and they throttle it down when the cap is exceeded.
Tracker1 wrote to Kaelon <=-
Wireguard is partly for remote access to the home network... but
more because that's the only way to really set mobile devices to
not use the carrier's DNS.
...
Or, are you talking about the carrier's DNS over the cell network?
If so, not sure how Wireguard would play into things.
I've tried many of the blocklists for Pi-Hole that claim they can
ad-remove the YouTube experience, but I find it hit-or-miss.
Alphabet (Google/YouTube) have more resources available, including a
domain registrar than the people making the block lists. The *could*
even do primary domain routed delivery if they wanted to, they chose to reduce the added latency instead.
| Sysop: | Tandy |
|---|---|
| Location: | New York, USA |
| Users: | 15 |
| Nodes: | 13 (0 / 13) |
| Uptime: | 16:03:02 |
| Calls: | 335 |
| Messages: | 112,963 |
