Gotta love shit like that in your "ThinkPad" branded devices.
Greenlfc wrote to Vlk-451 <=-
IBM selling their PC business to the Chinese was a damn travesty.
Lenovo almost immediately destroyed the keyboard, which was the biggest thing that drew serious users to them.
IBM selling their PC business to the Chinese was a damn travesty.
Lenovo almost immediately destroyed the keyboard, which was the biggest
thing that drew serious users to them.
I held on to my T43 for as long as I could. Best Laptop Keyboard Ever.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Greenlfc <=-
Greenlfc wrote to Vlk-451 <=-
IBM selling their PC business to the Chinese was a damn travesty.
Lenovo almost immediately destroyed the keyboard, which was the biggest thing that drew serious users to them.
I held on to my T43 for as long as I could. Best Laptop Keyboard Ever.
I held on to my T43 for as long as I could. Best Laptop Keyboard Ever.
IBM selling their PC business to the Chinese was a damn travesty. Lenovo almost immediately destroyed the keyboard, which was the biggest thing that drew serious users to them.
I held on to my T43 for as long as I could. Best Laptop Keyboard Ever.
Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I held on to my T43 for as long as I could. Best Laptop Keyboard Ever.
The keyboard quality continued to the T60. Using one right
now!
boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I'm typing this reply on a T43. Great keyboard, just the hard drive doesn't work properly until its warmed up.
Greenlfc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Now that we've moved to the glued and soldered generation of machines, they're pretty much all the same in the mass market, exceptions like
the Purism, System76, Novena, and Framework excluded of course.
The T series are still upgradeable; I run T480s at work and they're nice.
My daily driver is still a T410 with the nicer screen and an SSD. I wish it could support more than 8gb of RAM, but it's just fine as-is.
The keyboard quality continued to the T60. Using one right
now!
My BBS is running on a T60. The build quality took a step
down on the 60s, but the keyboard is still pretty good.
Finally getting a dual core CPU was nice, but they
hamstrung the SATA interface by running it through a PATA
controller, so you got PATA speeds from a SATA drive.
But, knock wood, a 12+ year old laptop is running 24/7 and
has been for at least 4 years.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Greenlfc <=-
My daily driver is still a T410 with the nicer screen and an SSD.
I wish it could support more than 8gb of RAM, but it's just fine
as-is.
It, alas, is probably my last laptop with a traditional Thinkpad
keyboard.
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boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I'm typing this reply on a T43. Great keyboard, just the hard drive doesn't work properly until its warmed up.
for 30 or 40 bucks, you could find a PATA SSD on eBay. It's a silly upgrade, but it makes a huge difference.
It's a shame, I e-wasted a bunch of T43 stuff last week. Wish I'd known one was still in use around here...
avoid electron apps, and the like). I'll hunt around on e-
bail, I can see one for $65 AUD, 128GB, and a 512GB for
$134 AUD. There is also a 256GB for $70 AUD. It kind of
does feel silly spending that money to keep a 32 bit laptop
going, but I can't stand letting it go to waste.
I think I might get one, thanks for the tip.
I held on to my T43 for as long as I could. Best Laptop
Keyboard Ever.
I'm typing this reply on a T43. Great keyboard, just the
hard drive doesn't work properly until its warmed up.
Thankfully with Debian GNU/Linux, I can keep this 32 bit
machine alive and current.
The T series are still upgradeable; I run T480s at work and they're nice.
My daily driver is still a T410 with the nicer screen and an SSD. I wish it could support more than 8gb of RAM, but it's just fine as-is.
Ogg wrote to boraxman <=-
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Hello boraxman!
** On Thursday 10.03.22 - 20:54, you wrote:
I held on to my T43 for as long as I could. Best Laptop
Keyboard Ever.
I'm typing this reply on a T43. Great keyboard, just the
hard drive doesn't work properly until its warmed up.
Thankfully with Debian GNU/Linux, I can keep this 32 bit
machine alive and current.
I tried a few linux variants on my T60 and t40p Thinkpads too.
They worked well, for the most part. Very impressive.
I have a T40p that has developed a cpu fan problem. T40p
refuses to boot up if the fan can't spin up to a certain
initial speed (even though on a cold boot the fan isn't even
required until minutes later - or if at all). It too is 32bit
On 14 Mar 2022, Ogg said the following...
I have a T40p that has developed a cpu fan problem. T40p
refuses to boot up if the fan can't spin up to a certain
initial speed (even though on a cold boot the fan isn't even
required until minutes later - or if at all). It too is 32bit
As a quick workaround when that happens, you can get a can of compressed air and blow it in the vent while you're powering on the machine. That'll fool the system into thinking it's spinning good enough to boot.
As a quick workaround when that happens, you can get a can
of compressed air and blow it in the vent while you're
powering on the machine. That'll fool the system into
thinking it's spinning good enough to boot.
But wouldn't using the compressed air blowing INTO the pc cause
the fan to turn in the wrong direction?
What I *have* been able to do is blow into the vent to losen up
the fan a bit, and *then* the fan would loosen up enough on its
own for the few seconds during the initial power-up. That's
for the T40p.
Re: Can you trust your PC
By: Ogg to Greenlfc on Tue Mar 15 2022 05:59 pm
But wouldn't using the compressed air blowing INTO the pc cause
the fan to turn in the wrong direction?
What I *have* been able to do is blow into the vent to losen up
the fan a bit, and *then* the fan would loosen up enough on its
own for the few seconds during the initial power-up. That's
for the T40p.
you can create static or WHATEVER and fuck up your computer.
also you should only use filtered air. i wouldnt use air at all.
What I *have* been able to do is blow into the vent to losen up
the fan a bit, and *then* the fan would loosen up enough on its
you can create static or WHATEVER and fuck up your computer.
Here comes some heresy:
I have actually cleaned some packs of very old electronics using a hairdryer.
I never did with equipment I really cared for, though. I treat most of my electronics as cheap expendables. It is a miracle I have so many stuff from 2004 to 2012 still running :-)
Greenlfc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
On 11 Mar 2022, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...
It's worth looking at some of 51nb.com's custom motherboards for modernizing T60/X200 era Thinkpads. They've always been out of budget
for me (and I'd greatly prefer one that runs coreboot/libreboot), but they're pretty slick.
Ogg wrote to Boraxman <=-
I have a T40p that has developed a cpu fan problem. T40p
refuses to boot up if the fan can't spin up to a certain
initial speed (even though on a cold boot the fan isn't even
required until minutes later - or if at all).
i wouldnt advice spraying compressed air on a computer when it's turned
on (or ever). it can damage the components. he should just replace his fan. ---
But wouldn't using the compressed air blowing INTO the pc cause
the fan to turn in the wrong direction?
i wouldnt advice spraying compressed air on a computer when it's
turned on (or ever). it can damage the components. he should just
replace his fan. ---
Obviously he should fix the root cause, but I've never heard of anyone breaking a component short of using the can upside down on a hot chip. Back in my tech support days we routinely had T60s that had that problem and used that workaround all the time.
On 15 Mar 2022, MRO said the following...
i wouldnt advice spraying compressed air on a computer when it's turned on (or ever). it can damage the components. he should just replace his fan. ---
Obviously he should fix the root cause, but I've never heard of anyone breaking a component short of using the can upside down on a hot chip. Back in my tech support days we routinely had T60s that had that problem and used that workaround all the time.
PC on but nothing happened and the screen was blank. I was searching online about that afterward, and I read somewhere that it's possible for compressed air cans to cause static electricity which could damage a CPU.
Sticky fan, sometimes a shot of canned air through the exhaust can free
it up enough to boot.
If you're halfway handy with a computer's guts, T4x series fans are cheap on eBay - at least they used to be. IBM has great hardware reference manuals with step-by-step instructions and photos.
You could replace the fan, replace any thermal grease on the CPU, and
give the inside a good blowing out for around $30 in parts and a couple
of small screwdrivers.
On 15 Mar 2022, Ogg said the following...
But wouldn't using the compressed air blowing INTO the pc cause
the fan to turn in the wrong direction?
It *might* make it turn the wrong direction, but the sensor isn't smart enough to know the difference and you'll still get the machine to start. Usually in my experience when you stop blowing it straightens itself out.
PC on but nothing happened and the screen was blank. I was searching online about that afterward, and I read somewhere that it's possible for compressed air cans to cause static electricity which could damage a CPU.
Highly unlikey. More likely the air snapped a connection somewhere.
Ogg wrote to Greenlfc <=-
As a quick workaround when that happens, you can get a can
of compressed air and blow it in the vent while you're
powering on the machine. That'll fool the system into
thinking it's spinning good enough to boot.
But wouldn't using the compressed air blowing INTO the pc cause
the fan to turn in the wrong direction?
Ogg wrote to Greenlfc <=-
But wouldn't using the compressed air blowing INTO the pc cause
the fan to turn in the wrong direction?
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Greenlfc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
On 11 Mar 2022, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...
It's worth looking at some of 51nb.com's custom motherboards for modernizing T60/X200 era Thinkpads. They've always been out of budget
for me (and I'd greatly prefer one that runs coreboot/libreboot), but they're pretty slick.
Someone at one point made a core 2 duo motherboard for a T4x series
laptop - that would have been killer. From an indutrial design
standpoint, in my opinion it didn't get better than the T43.
Using a quick short blast of compressed air would certainly be
more elegant than puckering up to the airvent! :D
But the main problem that I see with blowing compressed air is the dust.
Using a quick short blast of compressed air would certainly be
more elegant than puckering up to the airvent! :D
Those of us from the Nintendo generation are well familiar with that procedure! =)
The Nintendo procedure is just blowing on it rather than using compressed air. :)
standpoint, in my opinion it didn't get better than the T43.
That seals it, I'm getting that PATA SSD and giving my T43 a new lease on life.
Re: Re: Can you trust your PC
By: Dr. What to Ogg on Wed Mar 16 2022 08:30 am
But the main problem that I see with blowing compressed air is the dust.
Once a year (on a nice sunny spring day) I unplug the 3-4 towers in my place, remove the casing as much as possible and set them on my patio table. I then grab my 26 gallon garage air compressor and have at it! You should see the giant dust cloud that wafts away as I spray away!
I usually stick a finger in the case fans when I get close to them to prevent them spinning at crazy fast RPMs. Once had a spinning fan hit a IDE power cable and 2 fan blades shattered like glass lol.
I have one PC case that sits ontop of a 6 foot tall cupboard that I use for an arcade machine - i'm always suprised that it collects next to ZERO dust. The machines that sit right on the floor collect the most... i'm considering mounting all my PCs to the ceiling now :P
and this is what NOT to do.
in most cases, that dust isnt hurting anything.
Cobwebs of dust restrict airflow, and all my system run cooler after their yearly blowout. I've been doing this for 30 years with no problems (other than that shattered fan) and I'm not about to stop now, but I guess I'd better put the same disclaimer here as I do on some of my youtube videos...
"don't try this at home".
Andre wrote to Crushed <=-
Cobwebs of dust restrict airflow, and all my system run cooler after their yearly blowout. I've been doing this for 30 years with no problems (other than that shattered fan) and I'm not about to stop now, but I guess I'd better put the same disclaimer here as I do on some of my youtube videos...
"don't try this at home".
Anyone who's repaired computers professionally knows how often
heat from dust (or bad airflow around the case) causes computers
to start frequently crashing.
That seals it, I'm getting that PATA SSD and giving my T43 a new lease on life.
Re: Re: Can you trust your PC
By: MRO to Crushed on Thu Mar 17 2022 01:11 pm
and this is what NOT to do.
in most cases, that dust isnt hurting anything.
Cobwebs of dust restrict airflow, and all my system run cooler after their yearly blowout. I've been doing this for 30 years with no problems (other
--- ANDRE wrote ---
Anyone who's repaired computers professionally knows how often heat from dust
(or bad airflow around the case) causes computers to start frequently crashing.
Andre
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Hello Boraxman!
** On Thursday 17.03.22 - 20:46, Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:
That seals it, I'm getting that PATA SSD and giving my T43 a new lease on life.
The only PATA SSDs that I can find consistently are on eBay.
The "patamax" mentioned here sounded good:
https://www.mydigitalssd.com/2.5-inch-pata-ssd.php
..but is nolonger available.
Lemme know what source you eventually settle with.
Nightfox wrote to Greenlfc <=-
I'd often use compressed air to clean dust out of my PCs. Normally I haven't had a problem, but there was one time yaers ago when I was
dusting the inside of my PC with compressed air and when I was done, I turned the PC on but nothing happened and the screen was blank. I was searching online about that afterward, and I read somewhere that it's possible for compressed air cans to cause static electricity which
could damage a CPU.
I've seen some compressed air cans that specifically say they're safe
for electronics - so I wonder if some actually are safe for electronics and others are not, or if they're all the same. I've also seen
electric dust blowers for electronics that you can re-use so you don't have to keep buying compressed air cans.
Ogg wrote to Greenlfc <=-
Using a quick short blast of compressed air would certainly be
more elegant than puckering up to the airvent! :D
On 16 Mar 2022, Ogg said the following...
Og> Using a quick short blast of compressed air would certainly be
Og> more elegant than puckering up to the airvent! :D
Those of us from the Nintendo generation are well familiar with that procedure! =)
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this sounds hard to believe and you may think im trying to trick you
into breaking a cartridge as a prank, i swear im not, and if you dont believe me try it on a cartridge you dont care about or one that is bad enough that you cant get it working. i promise this will fix it!
Ogg wrote to Boraxman <=-
The only PATA SSDs that I can find consistently are on eBay.
The "patamax" mentioned here sounded good:
https://www.mydigitalssd.com/2.5-inch-pata-ssd.php
..but is nolonger available.
Lemme know what source you eventually settle with.
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Lemme know what source you eventually settle with.
I had a Kingspec 64GB PATA SSD in my T43. I see them on Amazon.
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