I have a rule I follow when I hear a news story, wait 3 day's by then the whole
story should be out, news outlets usually print sensational headlines that most
of the time mislead the reader.
On 6/17/2019 8:10 AM, DENN wrote to DIGITAL MAN:
I have a rule I follow when I hear a news story, wait 3 day's by then the whole
story should be out, news outlets usually print sensational headlines that most
of the time mislead the reader.
I hope Costco has a video of what actually happened so we would get the real story. I don't
think it looks good for that police officer. I think LAPD will get a huge lawsuit and the guy
will likely lose his job.
From the "facts" known to this point, it sounds like he should spend the rest of his life in jail. If you or I shot 3 unarmed people in a Costco, we'd be in jail already.
Re: RE: Off-duty cop shoots 3
By: Digital Man to MATTHEW MUNSON on Tue Jun 18 2019 02:24 pm
From the "facts" known to this point, it sounds like he should spend the rest of his life in jail. If you or I shot 3 unarmed people in a Costco, we'd be in jail already.
la times says officer sez he was waiting in line for food samples and he was knocked down while holding 1 year old son and he was knocked unconscious and woke up again and started 'defending himself'
i think they need to show the video.
people are saying what happened doesnt match what the officer said.
Re: Off-duty cop shoots 3 unarmed shoppers at my neighborhood Costcog
By: Digital Man to All on Sun Jun 16 2019 05:39 pm
So you've probably heard about this story: https://www.pe.com/2019/06/16/man-killed-in-corona-costco-shooting-was-a-
entle-giant-cousin-says/
The cop is not in custody. If this was anyone else, they'd be in jail right now, likely charged with homicide, attempted homicide, and who knows
what else. But this guy is out free to roam, because of his job?!?
I know the entire story is not known at this time (argument, assault, mental handicap, or whatever) - but what pisses me off is the immediate change in stature and narrative by the cops once they learned the shooter
was one of theirs. They minimize the entire scenario, saying just that 2
others were "injured" (not "shot", as they were) and they took a long time
to come out with the fact that the dead man was unarmed. And say it was an
argument that resulted in "a shot fired", when all reports are 6-8 shots
fired - and clearly the fact that 3 people were shot implies more than one
"shot fired".
My wife and I regularly shop at this Costco, often with our kids. We could
have been there, very easily, so this is extremely close to home.
I heard about that over the weekend, though I only saw the headline. It's pretty scary. And I agree, they shouldn't change the story when they find out
it's a police officer. I think he should be treated like any citizen in this
case, and I'm not even sure it makes much difference if he was off duty or on
duty.
Digital Man wrote to All <=-
Cops, on duty or not, need to be capable of a great amount of
restraint. This guy appears to have had a short-fuse and a hair-trigger and should never have been trusted to carry a gun in public (based on
the currently known facts).
It's scary to think that my son is going to be driving soon and if
pulled over, need to make decisions that could change his life, for a traffic stop.
On 06-17-19 06:47, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Digital Man <=-
I'd love to hear about a law enforcement agency teaching de-escalation techniques. Seems like a lost art. If anything, the outliers people
see on the 'net appear needlessly escalated, by the police.
It's scary to think that my son is going to be driving soon and if
pulled over, need to make decisions that could change his life, for a traffic stop.
On 06-19-19 13:21, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
A while ago, I witnessed a 15 or 16(?) year old driver get into a car accident, and I heard him say he didn't have his license. He was the
only driver in the car, and he ran a stop sign and hit another car.
I'm sure his parents were furious about that..
A while ago, I witnessed a 15 or 16(?) year old driver get into a
car accident, and I heard him say he didn't have his license. He
was the only driver in the car, and he ran a stop sign and hit
another car. I'm sure his parents were furious about that..
Ouch, poor kid, that would be a hefty fine here (for running the stop sign), and possible further penalties for the accident, depending on the circumstances and outcome. Not the best way to learn to obey road rules. :(
These days, it seems a similarly equipped car without probationary plates attracts less curiosity. Traffic stops nowadays are routine random breath tests - again, nothing to worry about, I hardly drink at the best of times and make it a point not to drink then drive. I usually thank them for getting the drunks off the road. :)
On 06-19-19 17:12, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
He shouldn't have been driving alone without a license, either. I'm
sure there was a fine for that, and I'm not sure how insurance here
works in that situation either. Where I am, if you don't have a
license but have a learner's permit, there must be a licensed driver at least a certain age (18, maybe?) in the car with the driver. I don't
know if he had his learner's permit..
On 06-19-19 17:21, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
These days, it seems a similarly equipped car without probationary plates attracts less curiosity. Traffic stops nowadays are routine random breath tests - again, nothing to worry about, I hardly drink at the best of times and make it a point not to drink then drive. I usually thank them for getting the drunks off the road. :)
I suppose it's good for them to do that. Here, I don't think they do random breath tests - I think the police would only stop a driver if
they were obviously driving irratically, posing potential danger to
other drivers and people around them.
I've never been in the habit of drinking alcoholic beverages. I might only have just a few drinks a year. That's mainly because I've never found any alcoholic beverages I really like, and most of the drinks I
tried early on made me feel sick, similar to having a cold. I think the types of drinks that make me feel like that seem to be beer or similar (Mike's Hard Lemonade, etc.), and other things like wine and liqueurs don't make me feel bad like that. I've just tended to shy away from alcoholic beverages in general.
And the first thing you do when you wake up from being "knocked out" is to star
shooting people?
The story is just so suspicious and it really bothers me how t
he facts are portrayed differently when the shooter is a cop. The killed-man's >arents were "injured" (not "shot", though they were shot, and are in critical c
ndition) and "an argument insued which resulted in a shot being fired" instead >f "6 to 8 shots being fired" (according to many witnesses present). It's alread
spun in defense of the cop.
Well, I suspect insurance wouldn't cover him, Insurance companies are pretty picky about who's driving. Here, we also have "no fault compulsory third party", which is paid as part of your car registration, but covers ALL road users for road related injury, regardless of who's at fault. The CTP does not cover property damage, you have to insure for that yourself privately.
The confusing term was "didn't have his license", which is actually ambiguous, "unlicensed" would have been 100% clear, because not being in possession of one's license while on the road is also an offence here (i.e. leaving it at home).
On an unrelated note, I am reading this message in a QWK mail reader.
While other people's messages seem to be line wrapping fine, yours are breaking mid-word. In the first & second line of the second quote above, the "t" and the "he" are quoted back as received here. Same with "p" "arents", "co" "ndition", etc.
On 06-20-19 09:34, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That sounds similar to some insurance companies here. In recent years, I've been hearing some insurance companies here are attached to the car rather than the driver (I believe).
The driver I had mentioned earlier, I had the impression he meant he
was unlicensed.. He was fairly young too, maybe 16 or maybe even 15, which is below the minimum age to have a license (16 here).
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