...or is this just to provide people with a place to argue about gun control?
I have some. I never shoot them anymore. Being in California, I'm not really all that sure about the legality of all of them at this point either. My wife is pretty anti-gun at this point (especially after a few of our friends nearly lost their lives in the Vegas masacre), but she feels better knowing we have some in case we ever need 'em. <shrug>
Re: Anyone out there have any?
By: Digital Man to Lizard King on Wed Oct 17 2018 11:44 pm
I have some. I never shoot them anymore. Being in California, I'm not really all that sure about the legality of all of them at this point either. My wife is pretty anti-gun at this point (especially after a few of our friends nearly lost their lives in the Vegas masacre), but she feels better knowing we have some in case we ever need 'em. <shrug>
criminals can always get guns if they want them. doesnt matter if the guns are illegal or not. it's good for good people to be able to defend others.
The cat's kind of out the bag here in 'merica though. So many guns. So many unregistered guns. It's a tough "problem" when bad people do bad things with guns. I'm not sure there is "a solution", save getting rid of all guns and well, I don't think that's possible. And then you have bad people doing bad things with other methods of mahem. Maybe getting rid of the bad people, if that were possible, would be better.
...or is this just to provide people with a place to argue about gun control?
I have a Ruger 10/22 that I am fond of. Have a few air rifles of varying calibres. I have thought about getting a pistol but have not found
anything that I really want and can afford.
I would one day like to get my hands on a M1 Garrand but, being collectors items they also are not so affordable. :)
I have some. I never shoot them anymore. Being in California, I'm not really all that sure about the legality of all of them at this point either. My wife is pretty anti-gun at this point (especially after a few of our friends nearly lost their lives in the Vegas masacre), but she feels better knowing we have some in case we ever need 'em. <shrug>
...or is this just to provide people with a place to argue about gun control?
i think what we need to change is society's lack of a drive to get involved and do something.
I think that's definitely part of it. A couple other common issues turn up. Mental illness is one of them, which is hardly surprising. Until fairly recently violent, mentally ill people were confined to hospitals. It wasn't until the 1960s that people started questioning the ethics involved in that, and the hospitals began to be shut down in the 70s and 80s. So today we have a lot of people wandering around who weren't a few decades ago.
I have a similar situation with my live-in gf and her kids. They don't exactly approve, but tolerate it. The 12 year old is especially outspoken about how guns are bad and doesn't think I should have them. I tell her to complain to all her friends and make sure all the boys in school hear about her stepfather with all the guns he won't get rid of. ;)
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are doing the same with their kids. I do know a lot of our Grandkids friends rag about guns though.... Mostly talking points they hear through the media and such.
I think they get it in school also... they are constantly told how dangerous guns are and how if they see any they should let an adult know right away. They are not taught the right to self-defense and as far as I can tell are being trained to be sheep, completely dependent on other people for protection.
My 12 year old stepdaughter rolls her eyes when I ask what she thinks would happen if someone broke into the house and tried to hurt one of us. She'd call the police and they'd stop them.
Nope. The police would show up after the fact and make us fill out paperwork about it, but I don't quite have the heart to tell her that.
After the Toronto shooting not too long ago, I heard the mayor of Toronto said something like "What do ordinary citizens need with guns?" (I've heard it's not legal for citizens in Canada to purchase guns.) It's interesting that different countries have different attitudes toward gun ownership. I think I've heard that gun violence is much lower in Canada though.. but with the recent shooting there, maybe there isn't really a correlation.
We have the right to defend ourselves, but I've often thought that even for someone breaking into my house, shooting them might be a little extreme.. There are other ways to defend yourself - If you're in your house, you could get a knife or something from the kitchen or something to hit the intruder with, or if you're inclined, you can learn a martial art.
for anxiety, depression, even insomnia. I've got a doctor right now trying to get me to take one, even though I've tried one before and it made my symptoms worse.
We have the right to defend ourselves, but I've often thought that even for someone breaking into my house, shooting them might be a little extreme.. There are other ways to defend yourself - If you're in your house, you could get a knife or something from the kitchen or something to hit the intruder with, or if you're inclined, you can learn a martial art.
one example is i got rid of a pet i loved that i raised since a
baby because at the time i thought it was more trouble than what it's worth. that's something i would never do.
you can always shoot for the kneecaps.
Re: Re: Anyone out there have any?
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Oct 20 2018 02:10:04
you can always shoot for the kneecaps.
Screw that, if you are going to shoot somebody shoot for center mass. If they weren't trying to kill you before you started shooting at them, they probably will be after that. And the legal consequences to you are going to be the same either way, the judge will not accept any argument that you only meant to wound them, not kill them. You can easily kill someone shooting them in the leg, they can bleed out before an ambulance makes it there. That's only "safe" on TV.
Something's screwed up and it's got little to do with guns, but the guns make >it all more dangerous. But as we're seeing in the UK, once we get a handle on >guns, it will become necessary to outlaw knives. I have no idea what they'll >do about rocks and large pieces of wood.
Liberal politicians in places where legal firearm ownership is rare often >question why people need them... while their murder rate is higher than the >rural areas they look down their nose at. Those crazy rednecks, by and large, >aren't murdering each other in the streets.
well if someone doesnt have a gun and they are far away, i might consider non lethal force. going to trial for killing someone would be a big pain in the ass.
We have the right to defend ourselves, but I've often thought that
even for someone breaking into my house, shooting them might be a
little extreme.. There are other ways to defend yourself - If you're
in your house, you could get a knife or something from the kitchen or
something to hit the intruder with, or if you're inclined, you can
learn a martial art.
hahah good luck with that.
are you going to stab or karate chop a bullet?
you can always shoot for the kneecaps.
Screw that, if you are going to shoot somebody shoot for center mass. If they weren't trying to kill you before you started shooting at them, they probably will be after that. And the legal consequences to you are going to be the same either way, the judge will not accept any argument that you only meant to wound them, not kill them. You can easily kill someone shooting them in the leg, they can bleed out before an ambulance makes it there. That's only "safe" on TV.
I've always wondered about the possible legal issues of shooting someone, even if it's in defense. I'd tend to wonder that they could charge you with assault or something. But then even if you didn't use a gun and instead hit someone with something in defense, I suppose they could potentially consider that assault too..
you can always shoot for the kneecaps.
Yeah, you don't have to make a fatal shot, but I don't think all attackers will be carrying a gun either.
Re: Re: Anyone out there have any?
By: Lizard King to MRO on Sat Oct 20 2018 12:27 pm
Screw that, if you are going to shoot somebody shoot for center mass. If they weren't trying to kill you before you started shooting at them, they probably will be after that. And the legal consequences to you are going to be the same either way, the judge will not accept any argument that you only meant to wound them, not kill them. You can easily kill someone shooting them in the leg, they can bleed out before an ambulance makes it there. That's only "safe" on TV.
I've always wondered about the possible legal issues of shooting someone, even if it's in defense. I'd tend to wonder that they could charge you with assault or something. But then even if you didn't use a gun and instead hit someone with something in defense, I suppose they could potentially consider that assault too..
I've always wondered about the possible legal issues of shooting someone, even if it's in defense. I'd tend to wonder that they could charge you with assault or something. But then even if you didn't use a gun and instead hit someone with something in defense, I suppose they could potentially consider that assault too..
some people can punch super hard. i know a few guys that look normal but they had boxing training and they can hit so hard they can knock out
someone with one punch. they play those bar games with the punching bag and knock it off the chart.
I remember a case over in New Jersey -- which has some of the strictest gun laws in the observable universe -- in which somebody broke into someone else's house and attacked the owner, an elderly man. The elderly man's son grabbed his dad's gun and defended his dad and himself, and shot the attacker.
I don't remember if the attacker was killed or just injured, but I do know that the son was arrested for posession and use of a firearm that was not licensed to him (it was licensed to his father, who was too busy being beaten to use it at the time).
To give you a real world example of this: a couple years back an employee at a Domino's about 1/4 mile from here saw someone out by his car while he was working, at about 11 at night. He went outside to find someone inside his car messing around with his radio, apparently trying to steal it. He asked the guy what he was doing.
The guy got out of the car, walked up to him, and stabbed him 5-6 times in the stomach with a knife, and then walked away.
The police finally caught him (days later), and the Domino's driver survived, but he was in the hospital for weeks and it was a close thing. I talked to his father after it happened.
some people can punch super hard. i know a few guys that look normal but they had boxing training and they can hit so hard they can knock out someone with one punch. they play those bar games with the punching bag and knock it off the chart.
This goes again to my point that you cannot predict the outcome of a fight in the real world. Lots of them end with one punch. And if the person you
You'd never know it from listening to the news, but firearms-related violence has decreased by about 50% since the 1990s, while at the same time (this part they report on accurately) gun laws have loosened somewhat across most of the country.
One time I had a car broken into (I found out afterwards when I went to get in my car), and they had broken a window and tore the face off the stereo. It wasn't even a detachable face.. I was frustrated but thought it was funny at the same time, that they broke into a car and stole a car stereo face that would probably be no good for them because it wasn't designed to be detachable. But then I had to get my car window replaced and buy a new stereo..
didn't notice right away. They left the door open, so the battery was dead. They stole the radio and my collection of cassette tapes, which really pissed me off because they weren't really worth much but would cost a lot of money to replace. That annoyed me until I got a CD player in my car. (I haven't played a tape since.)
I'm curious as to how many crimes, gun-related or otherwise, are actually thwarted due to a citizen having or using a gun. I'm not for or against them -- personally, I'm not into guns but if someone else is, then that's their right -- but the argument you hear most is that it's useful for self-defence, or the oft-regurgitated "the only way to stop a criminal with a gun is a law-abiding citizen with a gun" argument, but I haven't actually seen hard numbers regarding how often such a thing is useful or has actually made a difference.
The trouble with this is that these incidents are not generally reported, so no one tracks them. I can tell you that it IS generally understood by police, particularly in rural areas, that citizens use firearms to protect themselves and it's even encouraged.
I also know a guy who was approached by two men in a dark parking lot, unholstered his pistol and chambered a round. The two men, without saying a word, turned around and left.
I suspect these things happen all the time in places it's legal for regular people to own guns.
EITHER WAY... because of this, I had pretty much every tool that you'd need to brute-force your way into a bank. Because we often had to work in, er,
Re: Re: Anyone out there have any?
By: Derision to Lizard King on Wed Oct 24 2018 13:44:23
EITHER WAY... because of this, I had pretty much every tool that you'd need to brute-force your way into a bank. Because we often had to work in, er,
Did you ever have the cops show up in the middle of this? That would have been an interesting conversation. :)
they left when their lease was up but not before hiring a guy to do 2 million dollars worth of damage to the safe deposit boxes. they had them drilled out to get the left behind items that people didnt claim.
EITHER WAY... because of this, I had pretty much every tool that you'd need to brute-force your way into a bank. Because we often had to work
Did you ever have the cops show up in the middle of this? That would have been an interesting conversation. :)
just recently we had a chase bank get sued from the owner of the building they were renting, safe deposit boxes and vaults and all.
they left when their lease was up but not before hiring a guy to do 2 million dollars worth of damage to the safe deposit boxes. they had them drilled out to get the left behind items that people didnt claim.
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...or is this just to provide people with a place to argue about gun control?
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Oh yeah - have several - been an ownersince I was seven
years old.
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In today's political climate, it's hard to avoid discussing firearms without bringing up gun control and gun rights. The other day I heard a politician say he only wanted to take away the "dangerous" guns. How does one define "dangerous?" Poorly designed? Inadequate safety precautions? Or are they referring to the effect of one being used, which requires a person with violent or wreckless intent to create a dangerous situation?
In today's political climate, it's hard to avoid discussing firearms witho bringing up gun control and gun rights. The other day I heard a politicia say he only wanted to take away the "dangerous" guns. How does one define "dangerous?" Poorly designed? Inadequate safety precautions? Or are the referring to the effect of one being used, which requires a person with violent or wreckless intent to create a dangerous situation?
That sounds like a trick... any gun is dangerous for the person/animal it
is being pointed at.
It's only as dangerous as the person pulling the trigger. The same can be said about a hammer, or an automobile. Drive or swing at people with violent intent, then suddenly your everyday implement is an assault weapon.
Regardless, what you say is correct. Technically by that definition a gun can be dangerous because it is easy to use, cumbersome, big, small, long, short, of large caliber, or of small caliber. Some can be dangerous because they look scary, or because they don't look scary. The earliest of gun laws were written to prohibit people of color from carrying concealable pistols,
Re: Anyone out there have any
By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Sun Apr 21 2019 10:35 am
It's only as dangerous as the person pulling the trigger. The same can b said about a hammer, or an automobile. Drive or swing at people with violent intent, then suddenly your everyday implement is an assault weapo
Regardless, what you say is correct. Technically by that definition a gu can be dangerous because it is easy to use, cumbersome, big, small, long, short, of large caliber, or of small caliber. Some can be dangerous beca they look scary, or because they don't look scary. The earliest of gun l were written to prohibit people of color from carrying concealable pistol
anything is a weapon. if it was in fashion for people to stab people in the eye with pens, we would have anti pen lobbyists.
anything is a weapon. if it was in fashion for people to stab people in the eye with pens, we would have anti pen lobbyists.
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Re: Anyone out there have any
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to LIZARD KING on Tue Apr 16 2019 12:16 pm
In today's political climate, it's hard to avoid discussing firearms without bringing up gun control and gun rights. The other day I heard
a politician say he only wanted to take away the "dangerous" guns. How does one define "dangerous?" Poorly designed? Inadequate safety precautions? Or are they referring to the effect of one being used,
which requires a person with violent or wreckless intent to create a dangerous situation?
Oh yeah - have several - been an owner
since I was seven
years old.
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It's only as dangerous as the person pulling the trigger. The same can be said about a hammer, or an automobile. Drive or swing at people with violent intent, then suddenly your everyday implement is an assault weapon.
Regardless, what you say is correct. Technically by that definition a gun can be dangerous because it is easy to use, cumbersome, big, small, long, short, of large caliber, or of small caliber. Some can be dangerous because they look scary, or because they don't look scary.
So we should pull all the dangerous cars from the road
too... :-)
Re: Anyone out there have any
By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Apr 21 2019 03:39 pm
anything is a weapon. if it was in fashion for people to stab people in the eye with pens, we would have anti pen lobbyists.
The pen is mightier than the sword.
Nightfox
Re: Anyone out there have any
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to LIZARD KING on Tue Apr 16 2019 12:16 pm
In today's political climate, it's hard to avoid discussing firearms without
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