Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-
They believe themselves to be more intellegent but prove time after
time they're not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
Yes they're a stuborn bunch who want to block the theraputics that are working to help alieviate Covid symtoms.
Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-
I have not had the flu or a cold for two years now.
DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-
And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The posterboy for
the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that may not jive with what
he wants to believe.
The Lizard Master wrote to Tracker1 <=-
The flu vaccine is typically less than 50% effective... then again,
nobody ever tried to mandate people take it.
It also leads to better outcomes if you do get the flu post vaccine similar to what we are seeing with C19.
DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-
And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The posterboy for the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that may not jive with what he wants to believe.
Lefties always project.
In fact authorities are making a point about vaccinating peple who has already beaten COVID around a month after they kick it out, and highlighting the need it NOT be the J&J one because the J&J one gives you the same immunity the virus gives, unlike the others.
If that does not make sense to you, don't worry, because it does not for me either. Specially with the numbers that are rolling in according to which mRNA vaccines are an order of magnitude bellow disease granted immunity.
The goal of masks is to reduce the viral load transmitted from the
carrier. A cloth mask may reduce that load coming to you by maybe
20% or so. It will reduce the viral load outgoing from a carrier by
50-75%. That's why it's so important that everyone wears a mask,
because you can be a carrier for days before you experience
symptoms, and in some cases a carrier may not experience symptoms at
all, but still spread the virus by breathing and talking.
Fauci said paper and cloth masks would not keep out droplets.
I'm not telling people not to get the vax shot but for some Idiot to mandate and force people to get the shot is wrong, it's their choice, not yours, not mine and not Joe Bidens.
I got my shots in march 2021 that was my choice, If someone decides not to get the vax and gets "Long haul Covid" it was thir choice.
Even if you get the vaccine you can still get Covid, especially the Delta varient.
The more people that get Covid and recover along with those who get vaccinated the closer we get to heard imunity, It's idiot alarmists like you and plt I worry about.
well, there's nothing we can do except work at being healthier. We just aren't healthy anymore and that's our best defense against covid and future viruses and diseases.
there's nothing else you can do. you will get covid. and you will get variants. right now i think i might have concentration problems and i feel kinda shakey at night when i'm at work. there's nothing i can do about it except soldier on. ---
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to Tracker1 on Wed Sep 22 2021 08:57 am
I remember hearing that only about 20% of the population get the the flu vaccine.
I have a feeling that number is going to go way down this year.
I would suggest getting it. I have a friend in his early 30's who went on a vent. He had the unfortunate luck of getting the Flu and Covid at the same time. He survived thankfully.
---TLM
Yes they're a stuborn bunch who want to block the theraputics that are working to help alieviate Covid symtoms.
If the theraputics work, then
1) the not-vaccine is not necessary and all their promises of the not-vax "fixing" everything is proven false - painful for them.
2) the COVID fear evaporates, which means that the population becomes harder to control again.
Denn wrote to Dr. What <=-
I have not had the flu or a cold for two years now.
I haven't either. But my doctor has had me on high-dose Vitamin D for a while now (my blood pressure medicine makes me photo-sensitive, so I rarely get enough sunlight).
It's well known that Vitamin D helps your immune system and that "cold and flu" season is also known as "low Vitamin D" season - especially for the northern part of the U.S.
And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The posterboy
for the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that may not jive
with what he wants to believe.
Lefties always project.
The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a conspiracy!
Which is why I started taking it decades ago. My grandparents had me get a flu shot one year and I was one of the few in my college that didn't get sick that year.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Dr. What on Thu Sep 23 2021 10:16 am
And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The posterboy Da>> for the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that may not jive Da>> with what he wants to believe.
Lefties always project.
The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a conspiracy!
the china virus (Covid-19) is very political.
Yes the virus is real and can be deadly if you're Obese, Elderly or have comorbidities.
The goal of masks is to reduce the viral load transmitted from the
carrier. A cloth mask may reduce that load coming to you by maybe
20% or so. It will reduce the viral load outgoing from a carrier by
50-75%. That's why it's so important that everyone wears a mask,
because you can be a carrier for days before you experience
symptoms, and in some cases a carrier may not experience symptoms
at all, but still spread the virus by breathing and talking.
Fauci said paper and cloth masks would not keep out droplets.
It sounds like you've picked out a line from a statement that fits your narrative. Context is king.
I'm not telling people not to get the vax shot but for some Idiot to
mandate and force people to get the shot is wrong, it's their
choice, not yours, not mine and not Joe Bidens.
I got my shots in march 2021 that was my choice, If someone decides
not to get the vax and gets "Long haul Covid" it was thir choice.
Even if you get the vaccine you can still get Covid, especially the
Delta varient.
You have a much lower chance of getting it, if everyone around you is also vaccinated. That's how vaccines work. That's why there's vaccine mandates.
The more people that get Covid and recover along with those who get
vaccinated the closer we get to heard imunity, It's idiot alarmists
like you and plt I worry about.
I'm not an alarmist. I am a pessimist though.
I'm also a realist. You can keep living in your rose-colored bubble where no one you know gets sick or dies from COVID. Where none of your friends work in ICUs at hospitals, and you don't have to hear about them struggling to find space for people who are suffering from chest pains or other life-threatening issues due to the space being taken up by covid patients.
I remember hearing that only about 20% of the population get the the
flu vaccine.
I have a feeling that number is going to go way down this year.
I would suggest getting it. I have a friend in his early 30's who
went on a vent. He had the unfortunate luck of getting the Flu and
Covid at the same time. He survived thankfully.
how good is the vaccine against all these new variants, though.
why even get it if it's not fine tuned to whats out there now.
If the theraputics work, then
1) the not-vaccine is not necessary and all their promises of the
not-vax "fixing" everything is proven false - painful for them.
2) the COVID fear evaporates, which means that the population becomes
harder to control again.
before they said the covid would go away if we all would wear masks.
it's just illogical bullshit.
Now, I fear that they will try to sneak the not-vaccine in while telling us that it's the "flu" shot.
You have a much lower chance of getting it, if everyone around you is also vaccinated. That's how vaccines work. That's why there's vaccine mandates.
There are supreme court rulings that allow for vaccine mandates as far back as 1905.
DaiTengu
I'm also a realist. You can keep living in your rose-colored bubble where no one you know gets sick or dies from COVID. Where none of your friends work in ICUs at hospitals, and you don't have to hear about them struggling to find space for people who are suffering from chest pains or other life-threatening issues due to the space being taken up by covid patients.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 23 2021 03:27 am
well, there's nothing we can do except work at being healthier. We just aren't healthy anymore and that's our best defense against covid and future viruses and diseases.
Yes and no. There are plenty of fully healthy people getting seriously sick and even dying at this point.
there's nothing else you can do. you will get covid. and you will get variants. right now i think i might have concentration problems and i feel kinda shakey at night when i'm at work. there's nothing i can do about it except soldier on. ---
Man, I thought I was a pessimist. That's like saying "Well, my computer stopped working, I'll just throw it out, there's nothing I can do"
If you're not good with computers, take your computer to someone who is. Or, in your case, go to a fucking doctor.
There are supreme court rulings that allow for vaccine mandates as far back 1905.
Which is why I started taking it decades ago. My grandparents had me
get a flu shot one year and I was one of the few in my college that
didn't get sick that year.
I got a flu shot in 1999 (December, I think), and immediately got very sick. Ironically, my employer at the time had paid for the flu shot and I ended up having to stay home from work due to being sick.
And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The
posterboy for the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that
may not jive with what he wants to believe.
Lefties always project.
The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a
conspiracy!
the china virus (Covid-19) is very political.
Yes the virus is real and can be deadly if you're Obese, Elderly or
have comorbidities.
People are dead at the age of 60 and they are not elders. Your point is?
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 12:13 pm
And this, right here, is the heart of the problem. The
posterboy for the Dunning-Kruger effect ignores anything that Da>>> may not jive with what he wants to believe.
Lefties always project.
The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a
conspiracy!
the china virus (Covid-19) is very political.
Yes the virus is real and can be deadly if you're Obese, Elderly or
have comorbidities.
People are dead at the age of 60 and they are not elders. Your point is?
Even a child can have comorbidities and die from covid.
your point was that covid is not political, it has become very political to the point where DemocRAT's are trying to use powers
they don't have constatutionaly.
If the DemocRAT's were really worried about covid why are they being caught time after time at large gathering having fun and
no
masks in sight?
truth is they're not worried.
LOL, Trump is a proponent of the shot. He's the guy who green-lit
all the liability shields, funding and emergency approvals.
He stalle when it first started saying something like "I am not
worried, it will o away". It's right on the news recording.
It's all overblown... should people get the poke? probably... should
they be forced to, or limited from social events, or have to take
endless boosters? Absolutely not. It's absolutely a money grab, and
unless the shield or limitations from liability are removed from the
govt and the pharma companies, nobody should be consider forcing anyone
to take it.
Yep always follow the money trail, Biden is pushing hard for a third shot, what kind of kick back does he get?
govt and the pharma companies, nobody should be consider forcing
anyone to take it.
How about private enterprise? Many companies are taking a stand with
this, it's not just govt and pharma.
I remember hearing that only about 20% of the population get the the flu vaccine.
I have a feeling that number is going to go way down this year.
I would suggest getting it. I have a friend in his early 30's who went on a vent. He had the unfortunate luck of getting the Flu and Covid at the same time. He survived thankfully.
---TLM
how good is the vaccine against all these new variants, though.
why even get it if it's not fine tuned to whats out there now.
I haven't either. But my doctor has had me on high-dose Vitamin D for a while now (my blood pressure medicine makes me photo-sensitive, so I rarely get enough sunlight).
It's well known that Vitamin D helps your immune system and that "cold and flu" season is also known as "low Vitamin D" season - especially for the northern part of the U.S.
last month when i had covid i went out of the porch and sat in a chair in the noon sun for about half an hour. i certainly felt something working there.
it felt like the uv light was soaking into my body and killing covid.
There are supreme court rulings that allow for vaccine mandates as far
back as 1905.
DaiTengu
this is covid 19. everything we try with it doesn't work. mostly because of our own human stupidity and travel.
if we would just ban travel for a period of time that would have stopped a lot of spread. masks werent cutting it. now the vaccines arent good enough.
Yep always follow the money trail, Biden is pushing hard for a third
shot, what kind of kick back does he get?
The third shot ("Booster") being considered would be one that got final approval from the FDA, not the earlier version sunder "emergency" provisions.
Even a child can have comorbidities and die from covid.
your point was that covid is not political, it has become very
political to the point where DemocRAT's are trying to use powers they
don't have constatutionaly. If the DemocRAT's were really worried
about covid why are they being caught time after time at large
gathering having fun and no masks in sight?
truth is they're not worried.
Your analysis is wrong, they are only trying to stop the spread of the virus and more people from dying. For Chiina, Rusia and North Korea continues to spread false information, abuse during human rights and other things.
It's wrong for people to task risk of getting other people infected with the virus.
Even I was hospital I still follow CDC guidelines that is why I never get the virus.
1. Get your shot
2. Keep your hands clean
3. Wear a mask when your acound people
4. Stay away from large crowd of people.
Yep always follow the money trail, Biden is pushing hard for a third
shot, what kind of kick back does he get?
The third shot ("Booster") being considered would be one that got final approval from the FDA, not the earlier version sunder "emergency" provisions.
On 9/21/2021 7:09 PM, plt wrote:
LOL, Trump is a proponent of the shot. He's the guy who green-lit
all the liability shields, funding and emergency approvals.
He stalle when it first started saying something like "I am not
worried, it will o away". It's right on the news recording.
Right... because nobody *EVER* changes their opinion when given more/new information.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Thu Sep 23 2021 04:18 pm
Even a child can have comorbidities and die from covid.
your point was that covid is not political, it has become very
political to the point where DemocRAT's are trying to use powers they
don't have constatutionaly. If the DemocRAT's were really worried
about covid why are they being caught time after time at large
gathering having fun and no masks in sight?
truth is they're not worried.
Your analysis is wrong, they are only trying to stop the spread of the virus and more people from dying. For Chiina, Rusia
and
North Korea continues to spread false information, abuse during human rights and other things.
No, I am right the China Virus is political to a fault, and there are several lawsuits right now of Bidens unconstitutional
abuse
of power.
It's wrong for people to task risk of getting other people infected with the virus.
Even I was hospital I still follow CDC guidelines that is why I never get the virus.
1. Get your shot
People have the right to Decide if they get the China shot or not.
2. Keep your hands clean
Yes wash your hands often, this helps to some degree.
3. Wear a mask when your acound people
No, Obama dosen't wear a mask in large gatherins, Gavin Newsome dosent either, neither does London Breed mayor of San Fran
Cisco.
4. Stay away from large crowd of people.
Uhm no, Americans love colledge football, Baseball, Nascar et.... we will not bend the knee to the leftist elitist's.
people will keep shouting f*ck Joe Biden in arena's all across America.
Like I said before, if you have had covid you have antibodies far superior to the China shot.
If you had the China shot you're at least 80% protected 6 months after the shot.
at least I agree with point #2 of yours.
I speak with clear logic and it shows that you you have to much brain
damage because your mother knocked you over the head with a frying pan
to many times.
So just to reiterate: Things Fauci said in the order he said them.
...
Fauci said paper and cloth masks would not keep out droplets.
well, there's nothing we can do except work at being healthier. We
just aren't healthy anymore and that's our best defense against covid
and future viruses and diseases.
I have not had the flu or a cold for two years now.
I haven't either. But my doctor has had me on high-dose Vitamin D for a while
now (my blood pressure medicine makes me photo-sensitive, so I rarely get enough sunlight).
It's well known that Vitamin D helps your immune system and that "cold and flu"
season is also known as "low Vitamin D" season - especially for the northern part of the U.S.
The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a conspiracy!
You have a much lower chance of getting it, if everyone around you is
also vaccinated. That's how vaccines work. That's why there's vaccine mandates.
There are supreme court rulings that allow for vaccine mandates as far
back as 1905.
The paper masks we are forced to wear have very little protection
against the airborn particulates of covid.
this is covid 19. everything we try with it doesn't work. mostly
because of our own human stupidity and travel.
if we would just ban travel for a period of time that would have
stopped a lot of spread. masks werent cutting it. now the vaccines
arent good enough.
i got sick from a dude that was vaccinated. he thought it was fine to
go out to huge super spreader events. he got sicker than me.
Next time somebody disagrees with me, I am going to dig in History for the equivalent Roman law (since Spanish law drinks so much from Roman Law) and say:
"My position is right. there is jurisprudence dating as far back as 125 a.c."
The third shot ("Booster") being considered would be one that got
final approval from the FDA, not the earlier version sunder
"emergency" provisions.
I had heard that the 1st & 2nd doses of Pfizer and Moderna were the same. I thought a 3rd booster dose would also be the same as the first 2 doses..
He stalle when it first started saying something like "I am not
worried, it will o away". It's right on the news recording.
Right... because nobody *EVER* changes their opinion when given
more/new information.
Speaking the truth that some posted there option without looking up the true facts.
So just to reiterate: Things Fauci said in the order he said them.
...
Fauci said paper and cloth masks would not keep out droplets.
Fauci is an idiot/ass who was more concerned about protecting his connections and reputation than actually delivering an appropriate message.
Regarding any shutdowns, they should have centered around large social centers (stadiums, theaters, churches and bars) where people are close together for long periods of time.
I have not had the flu or a cold for two years now.
I haven't either. But my doctor has had me on high-dose Vitamin D for
a while now (my blood pressure medicine makes me photo-sensitive, so I
rarely get enough sunlight).
It's well known that Vitamin D helps your immune system and that "cold
and flu" season is also known as "low Vitamin D" season - especially
for the northern part of the U.S.
Just make sure to get a good fatty acid profile for better absorption... Eggs (esp yolks from pasture raised) are a good option.
The paper masks we are forced to wear have very little protection
against the airborn particulates of covid.
While I would rather take my risks... that's not quite true... the masks help, hell scarves and cloth masks help. Are they a perfect barrier solution, no... but they are effective enough to help.
That's where I think the early messaging was entirely crap. They should have just said, wear some kind of mask/covering when in public near
other people. It never needed to be a perfect solution, but the
flip-flop and inconsistencies were too bullshit. The lockdowns over the top. The politics around it all as "anything but what Trump says" was fucking bullshit.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Tracker1 on Thu Sep 23 2021 10:22 pm
He stalle when it first started saying something like "I am not
worried, it will o away". It's right on the news recording.
Right... because nobody *EVER* changes their opinion when given
more/new information.
Speaking the truth that some posted there option without looking up the true facts.
Actually allot of us here do our research, sounds to me like you just watch CNN and MSNBC all day, you really should try real
research and not the spoon fed pablem you've been dispensing here.
For instance in my state they just opened a monoclonal antibody treatment center like those in Florida, they would'nt do that
if
there wasn't something to it, it takes 3 to 4 hours total to get the monoclonal treatment, that includes 1 to 2 hours for them
to
make sure you don't have adverse reactions.
In most cases I've read people are feeling really good 24 to 48 hours after this treatment as they went in with full blown
most part. The reactions way over the top, especially in Australia and Canada.
The Lizard Master wrote to Dr. What <=-
I would suggest getting it. I have a friend in his early 30's who went on a vent. He had the unfortunate luck of getting the Flu and Covid at the same time. He survived thankfully.
plt wrote to Dr. What <=-
The virus has nothing to do with politics. The virus is not a
conspiracy!
Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-
I got a flu shot in 1999 (December, I think), and immediately got very sick. Ironically, my employer at the time had paid for the flu shot
and I ended up having to stay home from work due to being sick.
Denn wrote to DaiTengu <=-
2nd off the hospitals are not filling up, there is a
nursing medical professional shortage, they don't have the staff they
need so they're having a problem keeping up with hospitalizations.
Tracker1 wrote to plt <=-
You appear to be an ignorant, arrogant asshole who doesn't understand
that ad hominem attacks aren't a valid argument.
I think letting it run its' natural course as expediently as possible is still the best answer. Minimal lockdowns/mandates etc. It's been politicized to hell. In the end, the only concerns should have been to minimize overwhelming emergency resources. Everything in excess of that single goal was too much.
--
It's a good thing I guess that we eat allot of farm fresh eggs.
while they probably do help some indoors, I have seen people out walking the dog wearing a mask nobody near them, people riding bicycles, in a car by themselves, it just makes me laugh a little, they're paranoid like plt.
Speaking the truth that some posted there option without looking
up the true facts.
Actually allot of us here do our research, sounds to me like you just
watch CNN and MSNBC all day, you really should try real research and
not the spoon fed pablem you've been dispensing here. For instance in
my state they just opened a monoclonal antibody treatment center like
those in Florida, they would'nt do that if there wasn't something to
it, it takes 3 to 4 hours total to get the monoclonal treatment, that
includes 1 to 2 hours for them to make sure you don't have adverse
reactions. In most cases I've read people are feeling really good 24
to 48 hours after this treatment as they went in with full blown
You all continue to fail to post the facts, so its just giving out false information.
Whre you are you getting your information from The GOP?
2nd off the hospitals are not filling up, there is a
nursing medical professional shortage, they don't have the staff
they need so they're having a problem keeping up with
hospitalizations.
And this was caused by the GOVERNMENT'S response to COVID. The gov't shut down hospitals for "non-essential" stuff to prepare for a COVID "surge" that never happened and the prediction was proven to be a complete fabrication.
That causes a good deal of hospital staff to get laid off and many of them changed careers. Now you have the hospitals pushing the unnecessary, unscientific "vaccine" mandate - which is causing even more hospital staff to leave.
I think letting it run its' natural course as expediently as possible
is still the best answer. Minimal lockdowns/mandates etc. It's been
politicized to hell. In the end, the only concerns should have been
to minimize overwhelming emergency resources. Everything in excess of
that single goal was too much.
--
well we fucked that up. so it keeps popping up.
It's a good thing I guess that we eat allot of farm fresh eggs.
What is an allot of eggs?
while they probably do help some indoors, I have seen people out
walking the dog wearing a mask nobody near them, people riding
bicycles, in a car by themselves, it just makes me laugh a little,
they're paranoid like plt.
It's a bit silly to wear a mask alone in a car etc., but there have been times when I got back in my car and forgot I had a mask on for several minutes..
DaiTengu wrote to Denn <=-
Fauci said paper and cloth masks would not keep out droplets.
It sounds like you've picked out a line from a statement that fits
your narrative. Context is king.
DaiTengu wrote to Denn <=-
You have a much lower chance of getting it, if everyone around you is also vaccinated. That's how vaccines work. That's why there's vaccine mandates.
i got sick from a dude that was vaccinated. he thought it was fine to go out to huge super spreader events. he got sicker than me. ---
be real and accept that the only thing we can do is become more healthy. that's the key.
be healthy and have clean habits.
Yes and no. There are plenty of fully healthy people getting seriously
sick and even dying at this point.
well your definition of plenty isnt enough to be plenty.
being healthy is the best defense from having complications from covid-19. statistically.
There are supreme court rulings that allow for vaccine mandates as far
back 1905.
Next time somebody disagrees with me, I am going to dig in History for the equivalent Roman law (since Spanish law drinks so much from Roman Law) and say:
Whre you are you getting your information from The GOP?
I see you're just here playing on Mommies computer while she is at work. Did I nail it or what?
... Eat a bat and the whole world eats with you -covid-19
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Denn to Tracker1 on Fri Sep 24 2021 12:06 am
It's a good thing I guess that we eat allot of farm fresh eggs.
What is an allot of eggs?
Nightfox
What it *SHOULD* have been, is try to maintain an
appropriate distance (6') in public, avoid large
gatherings, wear a mask indoors around other people, even a
cloth mask (while not perfect, will help)
Regarding any shutdowns, they should have centered around
large social centers (stadiums, theaters, churches and
bars) where people are close together for long periods of
time.
If they'd done that, and just that, it would have gone much
better. The messaging was inconsistent, politicized
bullshit for the most part. The reactions way over the top,
especially in Australia and Canada.
I see you're just here playing on Mommies computer while she is at
work. Did I nail it or what?
... Eat a bat and the whole world eats with you -covid-19
Talk like a adult and not like a f*cking child.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: plt to Denn on Fri Sep 24 2021 05:37 pm
I see you're just here playing on Mommies computer while she is at
work. Did I nail it or what?
... Eat a bat and the whole world eats with you -covid-19
Talk like a adult and not like a f*cking child.
So is english your 2nd or 3rd language?
That's a great metaphor for the spread of a virus, the ability for vaccines to slow down the spread and to lighten the load on the health care systems around the world.
i got sick from a dude that was vaccinated. he thought it was fine to go out to huge super spreader events. he got sicker than me. ---
Ah, yes, your giant sample size of ... 2, is it? means it's how it works for everyone.
A few days ago I posted a whole bunch of :words: about how the virus is transmitted, why masks work, why social distancing works and why vaccines work. It can also explain why breakthrough cases happen.
DaiTengu
healthy. that's the key.
be healthy and have clean habits.
I'm all for that, but it's simply not realistic for most people. Shit food is cheap.
being healthy is the best defense from having complications from covid-19. statistically.
Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defense against having serious complications from Covid-19.
Some people I know who is hardcore into muscle building has a massive breakfast of bread and eggs.
So is english your 2nd or 3rd language?
Why do not you try and stop jacking off with you self and get a real life.
yeah it was bullshit too. just like all the other :science: you post.
if i want to hear BS, i'll turn on CNN.
i'm not saying eat organic foods. i'm on a good diet and i'm barely spending any money on food. i'm even buying meat.
it is entirely realistic. you ever take a family of 4 to mcdonalds? it's expensive. same as any other place.
in some cases buying prepared food will be cheaper than purchasing ingredients and putting it together yourself. you can still eat something different and come out ahead health wise and financially. ---
Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defense
against having serious complications from Covid-19.
wrong. vaccines dont work.
not really. you have to STOP the spread. not slow the spread.
1. Get your shot
People have the right to Decide if they get the China shot or not.
The leader of China, Russian and North Korea even Hilter.
Making a bad decision could be the individuals own fault if they get the virus.
The reactions to the virus are absolutely politicized, from early
warnings being dismissed as racist conspiracy theory (including the
origins being man-made) to the excessive lockdowns to the reactionary
panic, and anti-vax response.
while they probably do help some indoors, I have seen people out walking the dog wearing a mask nobody near them, people riding bicycles,
It's a bit silly to wear a mask alone in a car etc., but there have been times
hen I got back in my car and forgot I had a mask on for several minutes..
Vaccine mandates are constitutionaly allowed according to a 1905 ruling by the >US Supreme Court.
Every area in the US that has a high overall vaccine rate currently has a low hospitalization rate.
Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defense
against having serious complications from Covid-19.
wrong. vaccines dont work.
Every area in the US that has a high overall vaccine rate currently has a low hospitalization rate.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/23/covid-vaccination-hospita lizat ion-map/
MRO wrote to DaiTengu <=-
being healthy is the best defense from having complications from covid-19. statistically.
Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defense against having serious complications from Covid-19.
wrong. vaccines dont work.
See. therein lies the problem. It's not bullshit. It's facts. Backed up by years, decades and in some cases even a century or more of supporting evidence. But feel free to go back and pick it apart, show me where I'm wrong. I've shown in the past I'll admit to mistakes, and change my mind when someone can offer proof that what I've said is factually inaccurate. Here's an opportunity to set me straight.
I mean, when it comes down to it in order to lose weight (or maintain weight) you need to eat as many or fewer calories than you burn.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Sat Sep 25 2021 04:57 am
Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defensewrong. vaccines dont work.
Every area in the US that has a high overall vaccine rate currently has a low hospitalization rate.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/23/covid-vaccination-hospitali zat ion-map/
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Sep 25 2021 04:51 am
not really. you have to STOP the spread. not slow the spread.
I don't think it can be totally stopped. Like the flu, it mutates and other strains of the virus start to go around. Just like we've never stopped the spread of flu viruses, I don't think we'll totally stop covid from spreading. It's looking like we're going to be dealing with covid like the flu and dealing with different strains for a long time.
while they probably do help some indoors, I have seen people out walking the dog wearing a mask nobody near them, people riding bicycles,
Getting them dirty or wet supposedly lowers their effectiveness, which
would make wearing them in these situations seem counter productive for sure.
MRO wrote to DaiTengu <=-
being healthy is the best defense from having complications from covid-19. statistically.
Incorrect. Statistically, being vaccinated is the best defense against having serious complications from Covid-19.
wrong. vaccines dont work.
Vaccines do work. We have a great deal of evidence over the decades on that.
But the COVID "vaccine" isn't a vaccine.
Every area in the US that has a high overall vaccine rate currently
has a low hospitalization rate.
I'd tend to think vaccines generally work, but I've heard Israel has had a new surge in covid cases, despite having a fairly high vaccination rate.
Every area in the US that has a high overall vaccine rate currently
has a low hospitalization rate.
I'd tend to think vaccines generally work, but I've heard Israel
has had a new surge in covid cases, despite having a fairly high
vaccination rate.
Breakthrough cases happen. Especially with new mutations and whatnot. if that spike protien mutates enough, the antibodies built up by the vaccine won't be able to recognize it...
So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they keep saying >"Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could understand it.
Breakthrough cases happen. Especially with new mutations and whatnot. if that spike protien mutates enough, the antibodies built up by the vaccine won't be able to recognize it...
So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they keep
saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could
understand it.
On one of the news shows/channels the other day, a lady from the government suggested that the use of "breakthrough" was probably no longer appropriate due to the number of cases in vaccinated people that delta has caused.
DaiTengu wrote to Nightfox <=-
Breakthrough cases happen. Especially with new mutations and whatnot.
if that spike protien mutates enough, the antibodies built up by the vaccine won't be able to recognize it...
Denn wrote to DaiTengu <=-
So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they keep saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could
understand it.
Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Wed Sep 29 2021 04:53 pm
So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they keep
saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could
understand it.
On one of the news shows/channels the other day, a lady from the government suggested that the use of "breakthrough" was probably no longer appropriate due to the number of cases in vaccinated people that delta has caused.
I totally agree with her.
Dr. What wrote to Denn <=-
Denn wrote to DaiTengu <=-
So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they keep saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could
understand it.
One thing that the Left likes to do is wordsmith.
Sometimes they use terms incorrectly, changing the definition of those terms (ex: "vaccine").
Other times they use similar words to create impressions. Did you
notice that Lefties live in "houses" or "estates", but Conservatives
live in "compounds"?
So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they
keep saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could
understand it.
One thing that the Left likes to do is wordsmith.
Sometimes they use terms incorrectly, changing the definition of those terms (ex: "vaccine").
Other times they use similar words to create impressions. Did you notice that Lefties live in "houses" or "estates", but Conservatives live in "compounds"?
So called breakthrough cases are so common now, not sure why they
keep saying "Breakthrough cases" if it were a rare occurence I could >>>understand it.
On one of the news shows/channels the other day, a lady from the
government suggested that the use of "breakthrough" was probably
no longer appropriate due to the number of cases in vaccinated
people that delta has caused.
I totally agree with her.
it's crazy how people parrot the bullshit that is told to them in the media. we've never heard of breakthrough cases of any vaccine until now. NEVER.
But our natural immunity doesn't seem to have a problem dealing with the mutations.
Of course, if the COVID "vaccine" was actually a vaccine, it would handle the mutations as well.
Sometimes they use terms incorrectly, changing the definition of those terms (ex: "vaccine").
Other times they use similar words to create impressions. Did you notice that Lefties live in "houses" or "estates", but Conservatives live in "compounds"?
Thumper wrote to Dr. What <=-
They also like to claim all Conservatives live in Trailer Parks....
DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-
But our natural immunity doesn't seem to have a problem dealing with the mutations.
Er, it does. There are many, many, MANY examples of people who have
had COVID more than once. even before the vaccines came about.
Once again, you're ignoring the J&J vaccine, which is a traditional vaccine and reportedly not as effective as the mRNA ones.
Thumper wrote to Dr. What <=-
They also like to claim all Conservatives live in Trailer Parks....
I thought that's where they said the White Supremacists live.
But our natural immunity doesn't seem to have a problem dealing with
the mutations.
Er, it does. There are many, many, MANY examples of people who have
had COVID more than once. even before the vaccines came about.
And so.... You only prove my point.
There's an old saying: You don't need to parachute to go sky diving. You need a parachute to go sky diving AGAIN.
Since, as you claim, there are many examples of people who had COVID more than once, those people recovered. Natural Immunity wins again.
Or are you buying into the Propaganda that there's a magical substance that will cure a virus forever? It's never happened before. That's why they offer a flu shot every year.
Once again, you're ignoring the J&J vaccine, which is a traditional
vaccine and reportedly not as effective as the mRNA ones.
A "vaccine" that kills people in other ways is not a vaccine either.
They also like to claim all Conservatives live in Trailer Parks....
I thought that's where they said the White Supremacists live.
DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-
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Re: Re: Covid Delta
By: Dr. What to DaiTengu on
Fri Oct 01 2021 08:25 am
But our natural immunity doesn't seem to have a problem dealing with
the mutations.
Er, it does. There are many, many, MANY examples of people who have
had COVID more than once. even before the vaccines came about.
And so.... You only prove my point.
There's an old saying: You don't need to parachute to go sky diving. You need a parachute to go sky diving AGAIN.
Since, as you claim, there are many examples of people who had COVID more than once, those people recovered. Natural Immunity wins again.
Or are you buying into the Propaganda that there's a magical substance that will cure a virus forever? It's never happened before. That's why they offer a flu shot every year.
Smallpox. Polio. Yellow fever, Rubella, Diptheria. all eradicated
from the USA thanks to vaccinations. Measles _WAS_ declared
eradicated, but a bunch of idiots went on a tear about vaccines being
"bad for you" and ... well...
here we are.
Hell, Smallpox has actually been eradicated from the planet, and Polio
is nearly there.
Once again, you're ignoring the J&J vaccine, which is a traditional
vaccine and reportedly not as effective as the mRNA ones.
A "vaccine" that kills people in other ways is not a vaccine either.
6 women got blood clots from the J&J vaccine, out of 7 million. Based
on numbers, you have a 2.4% chance of getting COVID-19, and a 0.05%
chance from dying from it.
Women have a 0.000086% chance of getting blood clots from the J&J
vaccine. The chances of a random person dying from covid are many
orders of magnitude higher than the chances of getting blood clots from
a vaccine.
The Smallpox vaccination had life-threatening reactions in 14-52 people per million. No one had a problem with it.
The Polio vaccination actually had a .0002% chance of GIVING You
paralytic polio. People were fine with it.
Not to mention all the people that have adverse reactions to any vaccination, which is far more common than any of the above instances.
So, what you're saying is that no vaccine ever developed is a
"vaccine", I guess?
effective in preventing someone contracting and transmitting the virus. Secondly, in order to have a chance at eliminating it, we need to know when people have it. But as many people seems to have this and are either asymptomatic, or have very mild symptoms, identifying those who have it is difficult.
This makes this disease difficult to eradicate. Also, it is likely to further mutate.
DaiTengu wrote to Dr. What <=-
Smallpox. Polio. Yellow fever, Rubella, Diptheria. all eradicated
from the USA thanks to vaccinations. Measles _WAS_ declared
eradicated, but a bunch of idiots went on a tear about vaccines being
"bad for you" and ... well...
on numbers, you have a 2.4% chance of getting COVID-19, and a 0.05%
chance from dying from it.
also people think if they have the vaccine they are
bulletproof.
i have concentration problems now. i am doing dumb shit at
work that i would have never done before.
like stuff i'm programmed to do by muscle memory isnt
working anymore, so that's when i know something is up. -+-
i have concentration problems now. i am doing dumb shit at
work that i would have never done before.
I detect no communication changes from you. You're still
dishing out the same shit! :D
like stuff i'm programmed to do by muscle memory isnt
working anymore, so that's when i know something is up. -+-
Blame stress from thinking about what that covid-vacc-poison
might be doing to your brain.
Smallpox. Polio. Yellow fever, Rubella, Diptheria. all eradicated
from the USA thanks to vaccinations. Measles _WAS_ declared
eradicated, but a bunch of idiots went on a tear about vaccines
being "bad for you" and ... well...
All correct. And all of the above were long tested before they were recommended for everyone. So we knew the side effects (and worked to remove them) and knew how well they worked (and worked to make them better).
Where are the results from all the tests for the COVID not-vaccine?
Where are the studies showing all the side effects?
Where are the studies showing the long term results?
We have data showing that the not-vaccine doesn't work (as a vaccine).
We have data showing that the not-vaccine actually makes symptoms from the variants WORSE.
We have data showing a growing list of (usually really bad) side effects - specially in the young.
It made sense to give it to the high-risk people, since the risk of dying from COVID was about the risk of dying from the not-vaccine.
But there is absolutely no science showing that it will help the general public.
And then there's the Elephant-in-the-Room: Natural immunity - which the vast majority of the public already has - but the Left keeps ignoring it.
on numbers, you have a 2.4% chance of getting COVID-19, and a 0.05%
chance from dying from it.
I take a larger risk driving to work every day.
COVID simply isn't the problem the Propaganda Ministry - and shills for it like you - make it out to be.
My wife made our masks during the hieght of hysteria, we wore them out shopping
and such.
while they probably do help some indoors, I have seen people out walking the
dog wearing a mask nobody near them, people riding bicycles, in a car by themselves, it just makes me laugh a little, they're paranoid like plt.
it's good to be cautious but when you live your life scared to go outside that's a bit to Cautious.
Whre you are you getting your information from The GOP?You first... let me guess, the same resources that have failed time and
What it *SHOULD* have been, is try to maintain an
appropriate distance (6') in public, avoid large
gatherings, wear a mask indoors around other people, even a
cloth mask (while not perfect, will help)
Regarding any shutdowns, they should have centered around
large social centers (stadiums, theaters, churches and
bars) where people are close together for long periods of
time.
If they'd done that, and just that, it would have gone much
better. The messaging was inconsistent, politicized
bullshit for the most part. The reactions way over the top,
especially in Australia and Canada.
Right. Then, business could at least have been "as usual"
while avoiding bottle-neck lineups and crowded shops as soon as
lockdowns and stay-at-home orders were lifted, and.. many
businesses wouldn't have had to go out of business.
Anyone wearing a mask by themselves is an idiot, and you should probably avoid them.
Tracker1 wrote to Ogg <=-
Depends on the business... too many are and have been interdependent on on-demand shipments and limited inventory.
MRO wrote to Tracker1 <=-
Anyone wearing a mask by themselves is an idiot, and you should probably avoid them.
i wear it because i forget about it or i'm just 'dressed' to go
someplace else ---
That's the lean inventory system. Many companies have gone to that over time. No warehouses, no stock loss. A big retailer here in Michigan doesn't have warehouses. They just have cross dock facilities. Manufacturer trucks pull in on one end, and unload. The stock goes through the facility, gets split up and comes out the other end to a truck destined for a store.
The problem isn't lean inventory. It's offshoring of manufacturing, which
Tracker1 wrote to Ogg <=-
Depends on the business... too many are and have been interdependent on on-dem
shipments and limited inventory.
That's the lean inventory system. Many companies have gone to that over time. No
warehouses, no stock loss. A big retailer here in Michigan doesn't have warehouses
They just have cross dock facilities. Manufacturer trucks pull in on one end, and
unload. The stock goes through the facility, gets split up and comes out the other
end to a truck destined for a store.
The problem isn't lean inventory. It's offshoring of manufacturing, which many
companies did to save money because of 1) unions demanding professional level
compensation for still-less jobs and 2) the gov't raising the cost of maintaining a
employee (think unemployment, insurance, gov't regulations, etc.).
... If corn oil comes from corn, where does baby oil . . .
Arelor wrote to Dr. What <=-
There is a bunch of markets where such a thing does not work at all I
am afraid. If you don't have deep stocks you cannot absorb spikes of demand.
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